Who here don't give a damn about X-23?

On Jun 4, 5:17 am, grinningdemon <grinningde... RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:49:43 -0700, JLB <barn... RemoveThis @shentel.net> wrote:
> >Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
> >think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.
>

I haven't cared about X-23 from the start. Uninspired codename,
uninspired genesis, that has been forced down our throats. I don't
understand the fascination at all. I'm just surprised that she has
lasted so long.
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JLB <barnett.RemoveThis@shentel.net> wrote in
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> Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
> think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.

I like her. I've liked her since I got my first glimpse of her in
NYX. I think she's got potential.
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JLB wrote:
> Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
> think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.

She's one of the best characters created in the past decade, imo, and
despite technically being a clone, the writers have written her to be
an extremely original character. Between NYX, NEW X-MEN, and her mini-
series, they taken her places that Wolverine just couldn't be taken.
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in news:1181199419.717414.12550
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> JLB wrote:
>> Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
>> think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.
>
> She's one of the best characters created in the past decade, imo, and
> despite technically being a clone, the writers have written her to be
> an extremely original character. Between NYX, NEW X-MEN, and her mini-
> series, they taken her places that Wolverine just couldn't be taken.

It helps that while everything else about her is defined by Wolverine,
her personality isn't. She feels like a separate character.

She doesn't need a multi-issue fight scene with Wolverine to
establish herself. She doesn't need to either bond with him or hate
him. She's not trying to be him nor is she trying to be the opposite
of him. He's not even a father figure or older brother figure or
anything, at least any more than any other senior member of the X-Men.
(Even if he might have seen some responsibility towards her.)

Compare that to something like the newly introduced son of Wolverine,
who is defined entirely by Wolverine and established through conflict
with Wolverine.
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On Jun 7, 3:29 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Black Guardian <blakg....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote innews:1181199419.717414.12550@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > JLB wrote:
> >> Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
> >> think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.
>
> > She's one of the best characters created in the past decade, imo,
> > and despite technically being a clone, the writers have written
> > her to be an extremely original character. Between NYX, NEW X-MEN,
> > and her mini- series, they taken her places that Wolverine just
> > couldn't be taken.
>
> I so agree. I was never much of a Wolverine fan anyway. I didn't
> hate him, especially in the time around his first mini and earlier.
> Then he started to get overexposed and I had no interest. X-23,
> OTOH, has a fairly well-thought-out history that we know. No
> secrets. No worries about her origin. And she's got lots of
> potential to be her own person. If she never appeared in another
> book with Wolverine, and no mention was made of him, would anyone
> really link them? No, and that's a good think.

I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is automatically
linked to Wolverine.

JLB
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in
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> JLB wrote:
>> Just wondering. I personally can't even get the name right when I
>> think about it. I think of it as X-two-three, not X-twenty-three.
>
> She's one of the best characters created in the past decade, imo,
> and despite technically being a clone, the writers have written
> her to be an extremely original character. Between NYX, NEW X-MEN,
> and her mini- series, they taken her places that Wolverine just
> couldn't be taken.

I so agree. I was never much of a Wolverine fan anyway. I didn't
hate him, especially in the time around his first mini and earlier.
Then he started to get overexposed and I had no interest. X-23,
OTOH, has a fairly well-thought-out history that we know. No
secrets. No worries about her origin. And she's got lots of
potential to be her own person. If she never appeared in another
book with Wolverine, and no mention was made of him, would anyone
really link them? No, and that's a good think.
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JLB <barnett.RemoveThis@shentel.net> wrote in
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> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is
> automatically linked to Wolverine.

I didn't know she was a clone of Wolverine when I read NYX. I
didn't know she was linked to him, other than thematically.
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Dan McEwen <ferroboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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> JLB <barnett RemoveThis @shentel.net> wrote in
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>> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is
>> automatically linked to Wolverine.
>
> I didn't know she was a clone of Wolverine when I read NYX. I
> didn't know she was linked to him, other than thematically.

I knew only because I'd read the comics were getting a version of
the Wolverine clone from the X-Men Evolution cartoon.
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JLB <barnett.DeleteThis@shentel.net> wrote in
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> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is automatically
> linked to Wolverine.

In comics, simply having the same hair style as another character can
prompt a writer to make you relatives. Just as being African-American
means you'll eventually know every other African-American character in
the universe, and have some form of relationship with at least half of
them.
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> Dan McEwen <ferroboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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>> JLB <barnett DeleteThis @shentel.net> wrote in
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>>> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is
>>> automatically linked to Wolverine.
>>
>> I didn't know she was a clone of Wolverine when I read NYX. I
>> didn't know she was linked to him, other than thematically.
>
> I knew only because I'd read the comics were getting a version
> of
> the Wolverine clone from the X-Men Evolution cartoon.

Since I'd only sporadically watched X-Men Evolution, I had no idea.
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Billy Bissette <baines.RemoveThis@coastalnet.com> wrote in
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> JLB <barnett.RemoveThis@shentel.net> wrote in
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>> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is
>> automatically linked to Wolverine.
>
> In comics, simply having the same hair style as another
> character can
> prompt a writer to make you relatives. Just as being
> African-American means you'll eventually know every other
> African-American character in the universe, and have some form of
> relationship with at least half of them.

I hope you're not about to call M and Gateway 'African American'
relatives of Bishop and Shard.
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Dan McEwen <ferroboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Billy Bissette <baines.DeleteThis@coastalnet.com> wrote in
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>> JLB <barnett.DeleteThis@shentel.net> wrote in
>> news:1181265428.650893.79950@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I think anyone with claws sprouting from their hands is
>>> automatically linked to Wolverine.
>>
>> In comics, simply having the same hair style as another
>> character can
>> prompt a writer to make you relatives. Just as being
>> African-American means you'll eventually know every other
>> African-American character in the universe, and have some form of
>> relationship with at least half of them.
>
> I hope you're not about to call M and Gateway 'African American'
> relatives of Bishop and Shard.

No, but it is an example of the general idea.
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Billy Bissette <baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen <ferroboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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>>> In comics, simply having the same hair style as another
>>> character can
>>> prompt a writer to make you relatives. Just as being
>>> African-American means you'll eventually know every other
>>> African-American character in the universe, and have some form
>>> of relationship with at least half of them.
>>
>> I hope you're not about to call M and Gateway 'African American'
>> relatives of Bishop and Shard.
>
> No, but it is an example of the general idea.

Yes, it was pointless to graft those two on to Bishop's history. It
was entirely unnecessary and hasn't benefited any of the three for
it. Does M in X-Factor ever comment on this stuff? Bishop?
Anyone?!

It's not always blood, though. You have a guy who rules an African
nation and a woman raised in Africa. Of *course* they're going to
know each other. Africa's just this tiny little place and you can't
help but bump into everyone who's anyone.
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