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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 4:54 pm
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A. N. Wilson´s TLS review of Lewis´s Collected Letters, Vol. 2, is now
(8 May 2004) available at:
www.the-tls.co.uk

For a detailed account of Wilson´s capacities as a guide to the
subject, have a look at my essay "Sweetly poisonous in a welcome way":
www.solcon.nl/arendsmilde/cslewis/reflections

Arend Smilde, Utrecht, The Netherlands

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:06 pm
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Em Sat, 08 May 2004 13:54:32 -0700, Arend Smilde escreveu:

 > A. N. Wilson´s TLS review of Lewis´s Collected Letters, Vol. 2, is now
 > (8 May 2004) available at:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk</font" target="_blank">www.the-tls.co.uk</font</a>>

  What a pity, lost it. Not anymore in the front page. Any URL?


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 5:46 pm
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Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra <leandro.DeleteThis@dutra.fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.05.17.18.06.56.269179.DeleteThis@dutra.fastmail.fm>...
 > Em Sat, 08 May 2004 13:54:32 -0700, Arend Smilde escreveu:
 >
  > > A. N. Wilson´s TLS review of Lewis´s Collected Letters, Vol. 2, is now
  > > (8 May 2004) available at:
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk</font" target="_blank">www.the-tls.co.uk</font</a>>
 >
  > What a pity, lost it. Not anymore in the front page. Any URL?

I am sending you a text file by private e-mail. The thing was
available online for just one week. Which is indeed quite enough for
such rubbish.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:39 pm
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Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra <leandro RemoveThis @dutra.fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.05.17.18.06.56.269179 RemoveThis @dutra.fastmail.fm>...
 >
 > Any URL?

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177" target="_blank">http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</a>

Wilson doesn't like Lewis much:

"Having myself written a biography of Lewis, I should say that his
letters actually reflect his personality pretty clearly and recall for
me why, of all such tasks I have undertaken, I found writing the story
of C. S. Lewis the least agree-able. ... there is a tremendous
coarseness here."<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 10:58 pm
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Em Wed, 19 May 2004 14:46:24 -0700, Arend Smilde escreveu:

 > Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra <leandro RemoveThis @dutra.fastmail.fm>
wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.05.17.18.06.56.269179 RemoveThis @dutra.fastmail.fm>...

  >> Em Sat, 08 May 2004 13:54:32 -0700, Arend Smilde escreveu:
  >>
   >> > A. N. Wilson´s TLS review of Lewis´s Collected Letters, Vol. 2, is now
   >> > (8 May 2004) available at:
<font color=brown>   >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk</font" target="_blank">www.the-tls.co.uk</font</a>>
  >>
   >> What a pity, lost it. Not anymore in the front page. Any URL?
 >
 > I am sending you a text file by private e-mail. The thing was
 > available online for just one week. Which is indeed quite enough for
 > such rubbish.

  Indeed. To post here my commentaries already made in private:

I found it illuminating. I still remember in the late 80s,
early 90s when i bought the Time magazine to improve my English text
comprehension, and I saw a review of Wilson's Lewis biography.
Naïvily I believed it initially, and it was a big shock -- I was very
young then.

Your essay sure has a partisan flavour, but why shouldn't it?
The TLS Wilson review confirms he has an obsession with caricatural
Freudianism as a way of explaining away Lewis, and that is PCness
can't suffer Lewis sincerity.

The review is clearly meant as an indictment of Lewis. But it
only indicts Wilson himself. It is revealing that he found
biographing Lewis disagreeable -- he was shedding then the last
remains of the faith of his fathers, and having such a powerful
witness as his object of study must have been terribly uncomfortable.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:50 am
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 > I am sending you a text file by private e-mail. The thing was
 > available online for just one week. Which is indeed quite enough for
 > such rubbish.

Can you post it here? I'm sure it would be great fodder for discussion.
We've been so quiet lately.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:30 pm
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<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font" target="_blank">http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font</a>>

So you still found a link! I wonder how?
I am not sure that A. N. Wilson's performance deserves to be called
GREAT fodder for discussion... unless perhaps someone joins the
discussion trying to defend him.

I thought that reading this review might have some use for Lewis
adepts in making them sadder and wiser about Wilson. Saddest of all I
think is (1) that this superficially profound and profoundly
superficial man isn't wiser; and (2) his assumption that his readers
will be prepared to join him in making a fool of himself. Here is
fodder for something hovering between compassion and vicarious shame.

For other readers of this message:
Please note that Leandro's comment in message #4 of the present string
("I found it illuminating" ... "Your essay has a partisan flavour"
etc.) is NOT about Wilson's review. It is about my own comment -- a
long essay -- on Wilson's 1990 biography of Lewis. That essay is to be
found at wwww.solcon.nl/arendsmilde/cslewis/reflections/e-definitivebiography.htm
(as already mentioned in message #1).

A partisan flavour -- well, yes, if you detect this flavour, I suppose
I need not be ashamed of it. But I hope I did observe that minimum of
rationality in putting forward my arguments which A. N. Wilson so
sadly fails to observe?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 10:35 pm
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In message <pan.2004.05.19.22.58.57.619083.TakeThisOut@dutra.fastmail.fm>, Leandro
Guimaraens Faria Corsetti Dutra <leandro.TakeThisOut@dutra.fastmail.fm> writes
 >Naïvily I believed it initially, and it was a big shock -- I was very
 >young then.

As a matter of interest: what did Wilson say which (if it had been
true) would have shocked you?

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:30 pm
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arendsmilde.DeleteThis@solcon.nl (Arend Smilde) wrote in message news:<5b35b2c2.0405201430.93cb005.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font" target="_blank">http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font</a>>
 >
 > So you still found a link! I wonder how?

The miracle of Google:

TLS "C. S. Lewis" "A. N. Wilson"<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:07 pm
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On 20 May 2004 15:30:33 -0700, arendsmilde.TakeThisOut@solcon.nl (Arend Smilde)
wrote:

<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font" target="_blank">http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2107177</font</a>>
 >
 >So you still found a link! I wonder how?
 >I am not sure that A. N. Wilson's performance deserves to be called
 >GREAT fodder for discussion... unless perhaps someone joins the
 >discussion trying to defend him.

Skimmed the article, seemed it was going after superficial stuff. But
maybe the letters were ABOUT superficial stuff.

I saw some famous man's very early journal that said something like
"Today I did something my future biographers will be very unhappy about.
I burned all my old letters to /name/." He was joking, but I wonder if
Lewis at the time of those letters would even have thought of the joke.


 >I thought that reading this review might have some use for Lewis
 >adepts in making them sadder and wiser about Wilson.

Nice to have a sample. How does it compare with Wilson's biography of L?

/snip/

 >For other readers of this message:
 >Please note that Leandro's comment in message #4 of the present stringh
 >("I found it illuminating" ... "Your essay has a partisan flavour"
 >etc.) is NOT about Wilson's review. It is about my own comment -- a
 >long essay -- on Wilson's 1990 biography of Lewis. That essay is to be
 >found at wwww.solcon.nl/arendsmilde/cslewis/reflections/e-definitivebiography.htm
 >(as already mentioned in message #1).
 >
 >A partisan flavour -- well, yes, if you detect this flavour, I suppose
 >I need not be ashamed of it. But I hope I did observe that minimum of
 >rationality in putting forward my arguments which A. N. Wilson so
 >sadly fails to observe?

I'll keep the link to your article, no time now. Your posts and
Leandro's both sound pretty colorful to me. Your address is nl,
Netherlands? Spanish and Dutch.


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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:46 am
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Here is a Letter to the Editor in Times Literary Supplement of 21 May
2004 (not published on the TLS website):

C.S. LEWIS'S LETTERS TO WOMEN

Sir, – A. N. Wilson's review of the second volume of C. S. Lewis's
Collected Letters (May 7) was quite astonishingly one-sided. He fixed
on a handful of unappealing sentences in a few early letters by Lewis
to his brother (a career soldier and lifelong hobbledehoy), letters
which comprise but a small portion of his correspondence during two of
the eighteen years covered by this volume. Out of this fixation he
proceeds to draw a caricature of Lewis which is unrecognizable to
anyone who has seriously studied the man, among whom I do not include
A. N. Wilson. (His biography of Lewis was a well-written collage of
distortion, suppression and innuendo.) He fails even to mention any of
Lewis's letters of a very different and more representative kind which
also appear in Walter Hooper's thoughtfully edited book: letters to
female colleagues (Janet Spens, Eliza Butler, Joan Bennett), female
students (Mary Neylan, Patricia Thomson, Valerie Pitt), female writers
(Evelyn Underhill, Dorothy Sayers, Ruth Pitter), female religious
(Sister Madelva, Sister Penelope), female friends (Daphne Harwood,
Margaret Carlyle, Jill Freud), and female acquaintances and admirers
too numerous to mention. A TLS reviewer ought at least to acknowledge
the existence of the ninety-nine sheep, even as he brings home with
rejoicing the one that was conveniently lost.

MICHAEL WARD
Ridley Hall, Cambridge

(posted here by Arend Smilde, Utrecht, The Netherlands)
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 8:08 am
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m RemoveThis @mooreeffoc.com wrote in message news:<so34b01nv669gg6iue79p1kar6n0jjl6n0 RemoveThis @4ax.com>...
 >
 > Nice to have a sample. How does it compare with Wilson's biography of L?

Very much of a piece with it.

 > /snip/

What is this /snip/?

Copied from my own previous message as copied in yours:

  > >Please note that Leandro's comment in message #4 of the present string
  > >("I found it illuminating" ... "Your essay has a partisan flavour"
  > >etc.) is NOT about Wilson's review. It is about my own comment

Sorry to have been partly wrong here. What Leandro said he found
illuminating was certainly not my own essay but Wilson's review --
i.e. what that review tells us about Wilson.

  > >I hope I did observe that minimum of
  > >rationality in putting forward my arguments which A. N. Wilson so
  > >sadly fails to observe?

And let me add "accuracy" to rationality. As Dr Johnson said of the
journalist's trade generally, "Contempt of shame and indifference to
truth are absolutely neccessary" for Wilson's kind of writing. What I
am chiefly concerned about is that Wilson still appears to be taken
seriously by TLS, instead of being left to spend his energies on where
they would seem to find their natural outlet: the gutter press.

 > I'll keep the link to your article, no time now. Your posts and
 > Leandro's both sound pretty colorful to me. Your address is nl,
 > Netherlands? Spanish and Dutch.

Yes, it's a long piece. And yes, I am Dutch, live and have always
lived in the Netherlands. What do you mean by "Spanish and Dutch"?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:55 am
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Here is another recent Letter to the Editor in TLS:

C. S. Lewis's letters

Sir, – In his May 7 review A. N. Wilson gives a too-clever-by-half
account of Volume Two of C. S. Lewis's Collected Letters. Mr Wilson
highlights Lewis's archaic "funny language"; he does not mention how
often Lewis is being intentionally Johnsonian to his brother Warren in
the very passages cited. Nor does he relate the "funny language" of
letters in Anglo-Saxon, Middle English, Latin, and Greek which Lewis
composed brilliantly. Wilson then brands Lewis as a misogynist, as
good a stick as any these days. However, he conveniently neglects the
sensitive and sympathetic letters to Dorothy Sayers, Sister Penelope,
and Ruth Pitter.

I remember that Sir Maurice Bowra, no Lewis devotee, had the fairness
in his memoirs to describe Lewis as highly cultured. Wilson finds only
a pervasive coarseness. He then goes on to make the cavalier remark
that it is Lewis's coarseness which secured his success as a Christian
apologist and children's writer.

Combine this with Wilson's equally cynical review of the Letters of
Dorothy L. Sayers in the TLS (March 31, 2000), and one begins to lose
faith in his objectivity. What is truly coarse, moreover, is the
condescension to Walter Hooper's indefatigable editing of Lewis's work
over the past four decades.

Wilson characterizes the "faithful" Walter as the editor of his
"Master's" letters, as someone who could misspell T. S. Eliot's name
(Mr Wilson should check the MS of the letter), and as the supplier of
otiose footnotes. The sum of this is A. N. Wilson, the enfant
terrible, sniping at his betters with his customary panache. A senior
editor like Hooper who has published over twenty of Lewis's works
deserves better.

ANDREW CUNEO
Department of English, Hillsdale College,
Hillsdale, Michigan 49242

(From TLS website; posted here by Arend Smilde, Utrecht, The
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