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night_writer

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:40 pm
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I think I found an ARC.

It's a copy of Elizabeth Peters _Trojan Gold_ (Atheneum, 1987) with the top
page edges and the first page after the free endpaper stamped NOT FOR
RESALE. It's a first edition to all appearances.

I've used it as an example of an ARC on my "Visual Aids" Remainder and Other
Edge Marks page
( http://home.att.net/~my_wings/visual-aids/remaindermarks_.html ) with the
following explanation:

"Publishers sometimes send ARCs (Advance Reading Copies) to reviewers and
store purchasers prior to the publication of the book. A NOT FOR RESALE
notation is expected for this class of publication, and ARCs are one of the
few cases where a page edge marking will not reduce the value. That said,
even though it might look just like one, an ARC is not the same as a first
edition, it should never be described as such, and it will usually (although
not always) be priced lower."

Have I got this identified correctly and described correctly? Comments from
those who are actually familiar with ARCs in more than theory are greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!

Alice

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cathnjonyour

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:40 pm
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"my-wings" wrote...
 > I think I found an ARC.
 >
 > It's a copy of Elizabeth Peters _Trojan Gold_ (Atheneum, 1987) with the
top
 > page edges and the first page after the free endpaper stamped NOT FOR
 > RESALE. It's a first edition to all appearances.
 >
 > I've used it as an example of an ARC on my "Visual Aids" Remainder and
Other
 > Edge Marks page
 > ( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.att.net/~my_wings/visual-aids/remaindermarks_.html" target="_blank">http://home.att.net/~my_wings/visual-aids/remaindermarks_.html</a> ) with
the
 > following explanation:
 >
 > "Publishers sometimes send ARCs (Advance Reading Copies) to reviewers and
 > store purchasers prior to the publication of the book. A NOT FOR RESALE
 > notation is expected for this class of publication, and ARCs are one of
the
 > few cases where a page edge marking will not reduce the value. That said,
 > even though it might look just like one, an ARC is not the same as a first
 > edition, it should never be described as such, and it will usually
(although
 > not always) be priced lower."
 >
 > Have I got this identified correctly and described correctly? Comments
from
 > those who are actually familiar with ARCs in more than theory are greatly
 > appreciated.

I would describe your book as a review copy rather than an ARC. The books I
have that are stamped like this are all genuine first printings--same
binding and jacket as the copies released to the trade--not specially
produced advance reading copies. At least for myself, I don't think that
the stamp reduces its desirability--just the opposite. But it's a matter of
taste, of course.

Other thoughts:

The Simon & Schuster logo is "the sowing man"; he's got a seed bag over his
left shoulder, and his right hand is spreading the seeds (of knowledge, one
presumes).

Another type of remainder mark--no longer in use, but you might run across
it on older books--is the purple spray used by Doubleday, Delacorte, and
perhaps some others. This stuff was sprayed on the entire top or bottom
edge of the book, leaving a speckled stain--though I recall reading
somewhere that it comes out easily with bleach.


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night_writer

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:50 am
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"Jon Meyers" <cathnjonYOUR DeleteThis @WAYgtw.net> wrote in message
news:3f11be80@bothawui.gtw.net...
 >
 > I would describe your book as a review copy rather than an ARC. The books
I
 > have that are stamped like this are all genuine first printings--same
 > binding and jacket as the copies released to the trade--not specially
 > produced advance reading copies. At least for myself, I don't think that
 > the stamp reduces its desirability--just the opposite. But it's a matter
of
 > taste, of course.
 >
 > Other thoughts:
 >
 > The Simon & Schuster logo is "the sowing man"; he's got a seed bag over
his
 > left shoulder, and his right hand is spreading the seeds (of knowledge,
one
 > presumes).
 >
 > Another type of remainder mark--no longer in use, but you might run across
 > it on older books--is the purple spray used by Doubleday, Delacorte, and
 > perhaps some others. This stuff was sprayed on the entire top or bottom
 > edge of the book, leaving a speckled stain--though I recall reading
 > somewhere that it comes out easily with bleach.
 >

This is great, Jon! I've totally re-written the description for that "NOT
FOR RESALE" book to read:

"Publishers frequently divert a portion of their printing to reviewers.
These review copies may be marked NOT FOR RESALE on the page edges and also
on interior pages. This is one of the few cases where a page edge marking
does not necessarily reduce the value. Some collectors consider having a
review copy, which is identical to the portions of the same printing offered
for sale, to be a plus."

I hope that presents a better picture. I've also added the bit about the
"sowing man." and the sprayed dye.

Thanks for all of your help.The next addition, I think will be number line
samples and how to read them.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:38 am
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Not for resale stamps usually do not mean that the copies have been sent
to reviewers. They are often seen on remaindered copies that have been
distributed to schools, prisons or other institutions. This is generally
thought to reduce the value of the book - although not quite as much as
a library stamp.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:43 pm
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"Arne Herløv Petersen" <herlahp.DeleteThis@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
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 > Not for resale stamps usually do not mean that the copies have been sent
 > to reviewers. They are often seen on remaindered copies that have been
 > distributed to schools, prisons or other institutions. This is generally
 > thought to reduce the value of the book - although not quite as much as
 > a library stamp.

Thanks for your additional comments. I do remember seeing this myself on a
few books. I've changed the information about "NOT FOR SALE" stamps one more
time to reflect this addition.
(http://home.att.net/~my_wings/visual-aids/remaindermarks_.html).

Thanks again. Any comments to help me improve the site are always welcome!

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