Aaaarrrrgggg, I hate you Ray (with Into a dark realm spoil..

On 17/10/06 at 19:47:41 Stefan Immel somehow managed to type:

Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh and I HATE STEFAN....

BASTARD.It's not here (Oz) yet and now you've given me a glimpse of
what I'm hanging out for.

Ray, bring Patrick back and point him at the publishers with STRICT
instructions to throw a right royal tanti and make 'em hurry up!!

<snip>


--

Humbug
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In article <lbqe04-4uf.ln1 RemoveThis @deep.bit.bucket>,
"Humbug" <bah RemoveThis @deep.bit.bucket> wrote:

> On 17/10/06 at 19:47:41 Stefan Immel somehow managed to type:
>
> Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh and I HATE STEFAN....
>
> BASTARD.It's not here (Oz) yet and now you've given me a glimpse of
> what I'm hanging out for.
>
> Ray, bring Patrick back and point him at the publishers with STRICT
> instructions to throw a right royal tanti and make 'em hurry up!!
>
> <snip>

Well, he did put spoiler in the subject.

IADR is out in Oz. Dymocks, A&R, etc. all have it.

Best,R.E.F.

--
Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily
be explained away by stupidity.
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"Raymond Feist" <raymond.TakeThisOut@nospam.bittersea.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:raymond-584346.07442517102006@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com...
> Sorry to cause such stress.
It's the kind of stress I really don't mind:)

> If you saw Macros coming, you're the only
> one. I didn't know it was him until I wrote the scene. I then had to
> stop and ask myself what the hell was going on. Sometimes my
> subconscious works things out before I realize it. Then I recognized
> there's a whole lot of Karma in that guys life he now has to pay off.
This is very strange to me. It reads as if was planned a long time ago and
not it makes a lot of sense in that regard. I never would have seen that it
came to you while writing.


> It'll make more sense in the next book (I hope).
I'm sure.


> Thanks for the kind words about the Dasati. It's their struggle to
> regain their "humanity" for lack of a better word that interest me as a
> story teller.
Actually this sounds strange. As far as I understand your concept of a
universe the circles or levels are different. This is no way to make them
"equal" and this is the case in more ways then the amount of energy is
available. Midkemia and Kelewan are in the middle of everthing, in balance
between order and chaos, good and evil. If you gog a level higher everthing
will seem more orderly and more "good" (better would have been the wrong
word her). The same is the case if you decend one level.

So it shouldn't be possible for a native of the "second hell" to become
human. They maybe can regain some part of goodness (it is only the 2. level
after all) but they still will be very alien to us. In my eyes the Ipiliac
have only been able to get more humanlike because the spend so much time "in
between".

But I guess I'm wrong there.
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In article <eh54dk$kc0$01$1@news.t-online.com>,
"Stefan Immel" <stefan.DeleteThis@starocotes.de> wrote:

> "Raymond Feist" <raymond.DeleteThis@nospam.bittersea.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:raymond-584346.07442517102006@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com...
> > Sorry to cause such stress.
> It's the kind of stress I really don't mind:)
>
> > If you saw Macros coming, you're the only
> > one. I didn't know it was him until I wrote the scene. I then had to
> > stop and ask myself what the hell was going on. Sometimes my
> > subconscious works things out before I realize it. Then I recognized
> > there's a whole lot of Karma in that guys life he now has to pay off.
> This is very strange to me. It reads as if was planned a long time ago and
> not it makes a lot of sense in that regard. I never would have seen that it
> came to you while writing.
>
>
> > It'll make more sense in the next book (I hope).
> I'm sure.
>
>
> > Thanks for the kind words about the Dasati. It's their struggle to
> > regain their "humanity" for lack of a better word that interest me as a
> > story teller.
> Actually this sounds strange. As far as I understand your concept of a
> universe the circles or levels are different. This is no way to make them
> "equal" and this is the case in more ways then the amount of energy is
> available. Midkemia and Kelewan are in the middle of everthing, in balance
> between order and chaos, good and evil. If you gog a level higher everthing
> will seem more orderly and more "good" (better would have been the wrong
> word her). The same is the case if you decend one level.
>
> So it shouldn't be possible for a native of the "second hell" to become
> human. They maybe can regain some part of goodness (it is only the 2. level
> after all) but they still will be very alien to us. In my eyes the Ipiliac
> have only been able to get more humanlike because the spend so much time "in
> between".
>
> But I guess I'm wrong there.


Think of it as an X/Y coordinate thing. The levels are the X
coordinate, and the good/evil balance is a Y. The Dasati are where
they're supposed to be along the X axis (though they're trying to screw
with that, as well) but they are way out of balance on the Y. If that
makes sense.

Best, R.E.F.

--
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be explained away by stupidity.
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"Humbug" <bah DeleteThis @deep.bit.bucket> wrote in message
news:lbqe04-4uf.ln1@deep.bit.bucket...
: On 17/10/06 at 19:47:41 Stefan Immel somehow managed to type:
:
: Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh and I HATE STEFAN....
:
: BASTARD.It's not here (Oz) yet and now you've given me a glimpse of
: what I'm hanging out for.
:
: Ray, bring Patrick back and point him at the publishers with STRICT
: instructions to throw a right royal tanti and make 'em hurry up!!
:
: <snip>
:
:
: --
:
: Humbug
: Today is Setting Orange, the 71st day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172

Not in Oz??

I bought and finished it weeks ago. Brilliant BTW, but now as has been said,
to wait for the next part, not easy.

Came out 29th September, and as usual, I had paid in advance so all I had to
worry about was finding a quiet place to get into it.

__vain__
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I have to sneak in and also say... well done on the Dasati. I was more
then amazed at how well you made them feel "Alien" in both nature and
morals. Great job.

As far as Macros, it was unexpected to me. I thought you filled in the
explanation of how he turned up after dying very well.

Orlun, importer of fine Feist novels.


"Stefan Immel" <stefan.DeleteThis@starocotes.de> wrote in message
news:eh28ru$csp$01$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi Ray
>
> I hate you. I really do.
>
> Just finished "Into a dark realm" and unfortunatly I had to realize that
> the
> book stops in the middle of the story. I can't remember any other time
> where
> I was waiting for a book to come out so desperatly. My wife is now waiting
> for the german translation of "Into a dark realm" and I'm pretty sure she
> will be even madder when she is finished and also has to wait another year
> or so.
>
> So stop reading mails and get back to writing
>
>
> One thing I was a bit disappointed about was the identity of the Gardener.
> As soon as he was mentioned it was clear to me that this had to be Macros.
> I
> would have prefered if it had been somebody else or if you somehow less
> obvious, or am I the only one who saw that one coming?
>
> But otherwise this book was a great read as allways. At first the Dasati
> seemed to be a bit ruthless but otherwise very human but that notion soon
> evaporated. You habe painted a VERY alien nation (excuse the pun).
>
>
> Regards
>
> Stefan Immel
> Germany
>
>
>
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Raymond Feist wrote:
> In article <eh28ru$csp$01$1@news.t-online.com>,
> "Stefan Immel" <stefan DeleteThis @starocotes.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ray
> >
> > I hate you. I really do.
> >
> > Just finished "Into a dark realm" and unfortunatly I had to realize
> > that the book stops in the middle of the story. I can't remember
> > any other time where I was waiting for a book to come out so
> > desperatly. My wife is now waiting for the german translation of
> > "Into a dark realm" and I'm pretty sure she will be even madder
> > when she is finished and also has to wait another year or so.
> >
> > So stop reading mails and get back to writing
> >
> >
> > One thing I was a bit disappointed about was the identity of the
> > Gardener. As soon as he was mentioned it was clear to me that this
> > had to be Macros. I would have prefered if it had been somebody
> > else or if you somehow less obvious, or am I the only one who saw
> > that one coming?
> >
> > But otherwise this book was a great read as allways. At first the
> > Dasati seemed to be a bit ruthless but otherwise very human but
> > that notion soon evaporated. You habe painted a VERY alien nation
> > (excuse the pun).
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stefan Immel
> > Germany
>
> Sorry to cause such stress. If you saw Macros coming, you're the only
> one.

Hehee! I take issue with that. Only last year I speculated thusly in this
very group when discussing the Talnoy:

*************************************
Date: Sun, Sep 11 2005 5:49 am
> if the Talnoy worry Nakor I reckon that makes the Talnoy seriously
> nasty bastards...



Yep, I noticed that too. It takes a bit to rattle Nakor.


> I bet Macros knew a bit about 'em... (maybe.....)


Yes, methinks you are right. However I don't think he could be responsible
for them being there. I mean, I know he is/was very powerful, commanding
power only hinted at thus far, but unless he was controlling them then I
can't see how even he'd get them there. And exactly who is this other
magician (I forget the name he went under when Tal met him) and what is he
doing? I get the feeling that he's tied into Macros somehow.

Arghhh! Speculation! I can't wait for the books!

*************************************

I was replied to with:

"BTW, from what Mr. Feist has said in the past, I don't think we'll ever
read anything about Macros again - at least not with him playing an active
role.
Regards,
Chris"

> I didn't know it was him until I wrote the scene. I then had to
> stop and ask myself what the hell was going on. Sometimes my
> subconscious works things out before I realize it. Then I recognized
> there's a whole lot of Karma in that guys life he now has to pay off.
> It'll make more sense in the next book (I hope).

I'm sooo looking forward to it. I haven't even got to read Into a Dark Realm
yet but couldn't help myself from clicking your post Ray.

> Thanks for the kind words about the Dasati. It's their struggle to
> regain their "humanity" for lack of a better word that interest me as
> a story teller.

Can't wait.

Be well,
--
Shaun.
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On 18/10/06 at 00:47:22 Raymond Feist somehow managed to type:

<snip>
>
> Well, he did put spoiler in the subject.

Yeah I know but I couldn't resist finding a bit about what was to come.
I ALWAYS read spoilers...

>
> IADR is out in Oz. Dymocks, A&R, etc. all have it.

I admit I only did a very cursory bookshop crawl the other day and the
only shop I went into (Minotaur) didn't have it on the shelves so I
assumed that they didn't have it at all. I was wrong so a quick trip
into the city over the weekend will give me a reading material fix for
a day or so... In my (feeble) defence I was in a tearing rush to get
across town by public transport (mix of train, tram and bus) and I
really shouldn't have even gone into the shop if I wanted to be sure of
catching the required train.

Anyway I'm looking forward to getting my grubby paws on it.

And Stefan. I don't really hate you - I just HAD to have a dig Oz style.


--

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"Stefan Immel" <stefan.DeleteThis@starocotes.de> wrote in message
news:eh28ru$csp$01$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi Ray
>
> I hate you. I really do.
>
> Just finished "Into a dark realm" and unfortunatly I had to realize that
the
> book stops in the middle of the story.

See, this is why I prefer to pick them up as they come out, but wait for the
conclusion to be published and then read em all in one go...


--
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wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright." [Sir John
Talbot]

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Raymond Feist wrote:
> In article <eh28ru$csp$01$1@news.t-online.com>,
> "Stefan Immel" <stefan.TakeThisOut@starocotes.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ray
> >
> > I hate you. I really do.
> >
> > Just finished "Into a dark realm" and unfortunatly I had to realize
> > that the book stops in the middle of the story. I can't remember
> > any other time where I was waiting for a book to come out so
> > desperatly. My wife is now waiting for the german translation of
> > "Into a dark realm" and I'm pretty sure she will be even madder
> > when she is finished and also has to wait another year or so.
> >
> > So stop reading mails and get back to writing
> >
> >
> > One thing I was a bit disappointed about was the identity of the
> > Gardener. As soon as he was mentioned it was clear to me that this
> > had to be Macros. I would have prefered if it had been somebody
> > else or if you somehow less obvious, or am I the only one who saw
> > that one coming?
> >
> > But otherwise this book was a great read as allways. At first the
> > Dasati seemed to be a bit ruthless but otherwise very human but
> > that notion soon evaporated. You habe painted a VERY alien nation
> > (excuse the pun).
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stefan Immel
> > Germany
>
> Sorry to cause such stress. If you saw Macros coming, you're the only
> one. I didn't know it was him until I wrote the scene. I then had to
> stop and ask myself what the hell was going on. Sometimes my
> subconscious works things out before I realize it.

I think that the characters take on a life of their own. I mean, I know that
they're your creations and all but they're so realistically portrayed that
it's almost like you can second-guess them as you would a real person. I for
one have been half expecting the return of Macros, more and more so as
details about the Talnoy came out and it became obvious that nobody in the
conclave seem to have the remotest chance of 'directing' them or controling
them. It's just the way it felt to me, that Macros had to come back,
especially when it became more obvious that it was he who put them in
Novindus.

However, I didn't expect to find him where I did.

> Then I recognized
> there's a whole lot of Karma in that guys life he now has to pay off.
> It'll make more sense in the next book (I hope).
>
> Thanks for the kind words about the Dasati. It's their struggle to
> regain their "humanity" for lack of a better word that interest me as
> a story teller.
>
> Best, R.E.F.

Having finally just finished reading this book an hour ago (It's only just
become available in New Zealand) all I can say is.... Wow!!

Not wanting to sound like a Fan-boi or anything but the Dasati are *very*
well portrayed. I haven't read a book that was as interesting, imaginative
and thought-provoking as this since I first read The Magician. I had to
force myself to put it down from time to time so that I could prolong the
enjoyment. Kudos Ray.

The irony of Macros 'the Black' being keeper of 'The White' would be
something to do with the Karma thing huh?

I've wondered about Bek a bit too in the past, I think I know his role now.
It's hard to not speculate....

All-in-all an awesome book Ray, thanks. Some of your best work IMHO. I
*really* can't wait for "Wrath" now.
--
Shaun.

P.S. Couple things: What has the creature on the cover got to do with the
contents of the book? Bloody publishers! <g>

Where do you report type-setting errors? The book I have here is printed and
bound in Australia by Griffin Press and page 340, line 23, word one is 'to'
when it should be 'too'.
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"~misfit~" <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahookers.com.au> wrote in message
news:4561a109$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> Raymond Feist wrote:
>> In article <eh28ru$csp$01$1@news.t-online.com>,
>> "Stefan Immel" <stefan DeleteThis @starocotes.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Ray
>> >
>> > I hate you. I really do.
>> >
>> > Just finished "Into a dark realm" and unfortunatly I had to realize
>> > that the book stops in the middle of the story. I can't remember
>> > any other time where I was waiting for a book to come out so
>> > desperatly. My wife is now waiting for the german translation of
>> > "Into a dark realm" and I'm pretty sure she will be even madder
>> > when she is finished and also has to wait another year or so.
>> >
>> > So stop reading mails and get back to writing
>> >
>> >
>> > One thing I was a bit disappointed about was the identity of the
>> > Gardener. As soon as he was mentioned it was clear to me that this
>> > had to be Macros. I would have prefered if it had been somebody
>> > else or if you somehow less obvious, or am I the only one who saw
>> > that one coming?
>> >
>> > But otherwise this book was a great read as allways. At first the
>> > Dasati seemed to be a bit ruthless but otherwise very human but
>> > that notion soon evaporated. You habe painted a VERY alien nation
>> > (excuse the pun).
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Stefan Immel
>> > Germany
>>
>> Sorry to cause such stress. If you saw Macros coming, you're the only
>> one. I didn't know it was him until I wrote the scene. I then had to
>> stop and ask myself what the hell was going on. Sometimes my
>> subconscious works things out before I realize it.
>
> I think that the characters take on a life of their own. I mean, I know
> that they're your creations and all but they're so realistically portrayed
> that it's almost like you can second-guess them as you would a real
> person. I for one have been half expecting the return of Macros, more and
> more so as details about the Talnoy came out and it became obvious that
> nobody in the conclave seem to have the remotest chance of 'directing'
> them or controling them. It's just the way it felt to me, that Macros had
> to come back, especially when it became more obvious that it was he who
> put them in Novindus.

The question to ask (and I haven't read the book yet, so I am just throwing
this out there): Is it really Macros, or is he just the dream of a God,
given reality, to the Conclave?

And does it matter? What would be the ramifications of such?


>
> However, I didn't expect to find him where I did.
>
>> Then I recognized
>> there's a whole lot of Karma in that guys life he now has to pay off.
>> It'll make more sense in the next book (I hope).
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words about the Dasati. It's their struggle to
>> regain their "humanity" for lack of a better word that interest me as
>> a story teller.
>>
>> Best, R.E.F.
>
> Having finally just finished reading this book an hour ago (It's only just
> become available in New Zealand) all I can say is.... Wow!!
>
> Not wanting to sound like a Fan-boi or anything but the Dasati are *very*
> well portrayed. I haven't read a book that was as interesting, imaginative
> and thought-provoking as this since I first read The Magician. I had to
> force myself to put it down from time to time so that I could prolong the
> enjoyment. Kudos Ray.
>
> The irony of Macros 'the Black' being keeper of 'The White' would be
> something to do with the Karma thing huh?
>
> I've wondered about Bek a bit too in the past, I think I know his role
> now. It's hard to not speculate....
>
> All-in-all an awesome book Ray, thanks. Some of your best work IMHO. I
> *really* can't wait for "Wrath" now.
> --
> Shaun.
>
> P.S. Couple things: What has the creature on the cover got to do with the
> contents of the book? Bloody publishers! <g>
>
> Where do you report type-setting errors? The book I have here is printed
> and bound in Australia by Griffin Press and page 340, line 23, word one is
> 'to' when it should be 'too'.
>
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> The question to ask (and I haven't read the book yet, so I am just
throwing
> this out there): Is it really Macros, or is he just the dream of a God,
> given reality, to the Conclave?
It would help the discussion if you had read the book
Yes, it is Macros, the question remains who (or what) is Macros or for that
matter who (or what) makes a person in general.

> And does it matter? What would be the ramifications of such?
Yes, that's part of what makes Rays books so interesting.
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