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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:30 am
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I'm delighted to announce on this newsgroup that a definitive, multi-
volume collection of Roger Zelazny's works is in progress. Here's a
few details that I can provide:

- projected 5 hardcover volumes + a separate bibliography
- the intent is to include (likely in chronological order) all of
Zelazny's short stories/novellas/novelettes and all poems, including a
number of previously unpublished stories, film treatments, plays and
poems (some of which I have mentioned before on this newsgroup)
- excerpts of novels or serialized novels will not be included, except
that we will probably include a previously published excerpt/chapter
for each of Lord of Light and Creatures of Light & Darkness, and we
will probably include ...And Call Me Conrad in its original two-part
form with the first-person summary in between the two parts
- will probably include selected non-fiction articles by Zelazny
- each piece will have introductions that have been compiled largely
from Zelazny's own comments obtained from various sources, both
published and previously unpublished (these have already been compiled
and written by me but are being polished as additional material is
discovered from old interviews etc)
- each piece will have an afterword that annotates the stories and
poems in order to identify the allusions and references, define
unusual words, etc. The effort is not to interpret (since meaning/
interpretation is in the mind of the reader) but to facilitate the
reader gaining insight into deeper levels of meaning that may have
been intended by the author. These annotations have already been
written but are subject to ongoing revision after each re-reading
uncovers something else that warrants annotation.
- there will be a biography running through the five volumes
- there will probably be 2-3 introductions or afterwords per volume by
established authors who knew Zelazny or whose careers were influenced
by him
- the project will be published be NESFA Press (www.nesfa.org/press)
and it is being edited by David G. Grubbs and Christopher S. Kovacs
(me). That website has been updated in the "Upcoming Books" section
to indicate this project
- the plan is that all five volumes will be compiled before the first
one is actually published, and then all five volumes would be released
over the course of 2-3 years.
- the ISBN for the first volume is 1-886778-71-X or 978-1-886778-71-9

NOTE: I have obtained copies of all of the known stories and poems
that appear in various bibliographies (in print and on-line),
including rare pieces that were never reprinted. I have also obtained
copies of previously unpublished pieces that were not recorded in the
bibliographies. It is possible that someone may possess a copy of a
story or poem that I do not know about and which would be important to
include. I would encourage anyone who thinks that they may possess a
unique copy of an obscure or unpublished story or poem to consider
providing a copy so that it can be considered for inclusion in this
collection. Also, if you've come across an obscure interview or
letter which you think might provide some fact for the biography, or
commentary for a story introduction, then please let us know about it
as well. All contributors (and there have already been many) will be
acknowledged. The intent is to publish a definitive collection of
works by Roger Zelazny which will do justice to the works and memory
of this author, and to all of his readers and fans!

NOTE ALSO: The stories and poems have already been converted to
digital text and initially proofed once by me, so it is not necessary
for anyone to forward e-texts to us that they may have made themselves
or downloaded from another source.

AND NOTE: If there's anything you think of that we should be including
- even if it's a certain phrase or allusion in a story for which
you've always wanted to know the meaning or source, or only you know
the meaning and source - then please let us know in case we have
overlooked it.

Chris

Best email for me is ckovacs (at) mun (dot) ca
The mac dot com address is defunct.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:06 pm
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Michael G. McGough wrote:

> So why the hostility towards John? What did he do that waranted the
> observation at the top of this posting, except produce a product,
> under contract, which quite a few people enjoyed?
The comment seems to be aimed at not the fact that he -started- the
project, but rather that he did not -finish- the project. Perhaps one
might re-read and ponder a bit before posting?

And the "Oh, no, I -am- respecting Zelany's wishes to not write -sequels-
by writing -prequels-" arguement is a little thin*.

3ch

*I once saw a claim that the atmosphere on mars is about 5cc of gas
at STP in the volume of the astrodome. About that thin.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:49 am
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On Oct 10, 3:06 am, colonel_h... RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Michael G. McGough wrote:
> > So why the hostility towards John? What did he do that waranted the
> > observation at the top of this posting, except produce a product,
> > under contract, which quite a few people enjoyed?
>
> The comment seems to be aimed at not the fact that he -started- the
> project, but rather that he did not -finish- the project. Perhaps one
> might re-read and ponder a bit before posting?
>

Regarding the inference that this multi-volume Zelazny collection
might get started and not finished, that is very unlikely. The reason
being that this is not the typical situation of the publisher printing
a volume or two, and judging from those sales to determine whether the
final volumes get assembled and printed. Instead, as mentioned in my
earlier post, the agreement is that the entire project will be
assembled, finalized and copyset before the first volume is printed,
and then the volumes will be printed as close together in time as the
publisher can manage (NESFA is a small press publisher and would be
unable to print all five volumes at once). And as I also mentioned in
my earlier post, much of the preparatory work (research to find old
interviews and unpublished or uncollected stories; compiling the story
introductions; annotating the text; converting the stories to e-text)
has already been done.

And some of you know and recognize that the co-editors on this project
are among Zelazny's biggest fans and collectors. It is a reality, and
not a trite statement, to say that this project is a labor of love.

If there is interest, I'll be happy to post periodic updates here on
the progress. Right now the estimate is about a year to complete the
finalizing of all five volumes, so that the first volume or two
(probably the first two volumes simultaneously) might appear in early
2009.

Chris

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:02 pm
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, ckovacs wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 10, 3:06 am, colonel_h....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Michael G. McGough wrote:
>>> So why the hostility towards John? What did he do that waranted the
>>> observation at the top of this posting, except produce a product,
>>> under contract, which quite a few people enjoyed?
>>
>> The comment seems to be aimed at not the fact that he -started- the
>> project, but rather that he did not -finish- the project. Perhaps one
>> might re-read and ponder a bit before posting?
>>
>
> Regarding the inference that this multi-volume Zelazny collection
> might get started and not finished, that is very unlikely.
I think the original was just a slur against Betancourt,
not the collection. Just only he and his fans need only
be offended...

3ch
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:29 pm
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On Oct 10, 3:12 pm, Timofei Koryakin <Ko....TakeThisOut@transgaz.tomsk.ru> wrote:
> > - will probably include selected non-fiction articles by Zelazny
>
> Will the Zelazny's speech in Detroit be included? I found that the
> only biography which contains mention of it is Krulik's one, and it
> used the excerpt in No-Eyed-Monster #14. You recommended the fanzine
> Kallikanzaros to me, but it almost impossible to find...
>
> PS. Sorry for my bad English.

Haven't decided which non-fiction pieces to include yet, there are
quite a few, more than are listed in the available bibliographies.
The intent is for all fiction and poetry to be included, but a few non-
fiction pieces as well. I'll have a look back at that one and see
whether it is worth including. That's the one entitled Shadows.

Chris
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:51 pm
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ckovacs <ckovacs DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote in news:1192016987.312666.38650@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:


>
> And some of you know and recognize that the co-editors on this project
> are among Zelazny's biggest fans and collectors. It is a reality, and
> not a trite statement, to say that this project is a labor of love.
>
> If there is interest, I'll be happy to post periodic updates here on
> the progress. Right now the estimate is about a year to complete the
> finalizing of all five volumes, so that the first volume or two
> (probably the first two volumes simultaneously) might appear in early
> 2009.
>
>

O.k. and the volumes are authorized by the estate?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:20 am
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> Haven't decided which non-fiction pieces to include yet, there are
> quite a few, more than are listed in the available bibliographies.
> The intent is for all fiction and poetry to be included, but a few non-
> fiction pieces as well. I'll have a look back at that one and see
> whether it is worth including. That's the one entitled Shadows.

Thank you for answer. The next question: Will the "Hymn to the
Sun An Imitation" be included?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:43 pm
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On Oct 15, 12:20 pm, Timofei Koryakin <Ko... RemoveThis @transgaz.tomsk.ru> wrote:
> > Haven't decided which non-fiction pieces to include yet, there are
> > quite a few, more than are listed in the available bibliographies.
> > The intent is for all fiction and poetry to be included, but a few non-
> > fiction pieces as well. I'll have a look back at that one and see
> > whether it is worth including. That's the one entitled Shadows.
>
> Thank you for answer. The next question: Will the "Hymn to the
> Sun An Imitation" be included?

Yes for the contents of the chapbook Hymn to the Sun, which contains
numerous poems. Except for Appendix A, because that is not a work by
Zelazny, it is actually Psalm CIV from the Bible which Zelazny put
into the chapbook in order to contrast it to the poem "Ikhnaton's Hymn
To The Sun."

In case you're not familiar with the contents of the chapbook Hymn to
the Sun, "Ikhnaton's Hymn To The Sun" is the lengthy first poem;
followed by Appendix A (Psalm CIV), Appendix B (poems from Lord of
Light) and Appendix C (poems from Eye of Cat).

Basically, all of the published stories and poems are being included
(including those previously uncollected), plus there are numerous
previously unpublished works. The previously uncollected stories
includes the stories that Zelazny wrote for the Wild Cards series, for
example.

Some previous lists of "uncollected" stories on this newsgroup had
mistakenly included non-fiction pieces or introductions to other
author's works as stories (eg A Sketch of their Father, the
introduction that Zelazny wrote for GRRM's collection Portraits of His
Children).

If there are other items you are wondering about, please ask.

Chris
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:55 pm
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On Oct 17, 3:53 pm, "bchocobopatr...@gmail.com"
<bchocobopatr....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> "...And Call Me Conrad in its original two-part
> form with the first-person summary in between the two parts"
>
> wouldn't it make more sense to publish the novel as it was actually
> written, rather then the chopping done by various editors as you've
> pointed out on a previous thread.
>
> Also, didn't Roger not want some of this old stuff to see the light of
> day again, because he considered them substandard. ( i seem to recall
> him mentioning this in one of the ss collections.
>
> finally,
> I remember that Roger had an on-going story with a fan (amber even).
> It was published in the last amberzine (i think, i know it was in one
> of them) but even that's sort of rare. I think that would be sort of
> cool to see in a bound volume

Fair questions -

1) The permission is for the short fiction, poetry and non-fiction but
not the novels. The two parts and middle synopsis of ...And Call Me
Conrad come through on an technicality and seem justified to us
because a) that is the version that won the Hugo, NOT This Immortal,
b) for sentimental reasons/historical interest it seems appropriate to
reprint it as it was, c) it contains text not in This Immortal,
including the Synopsis of Part One, and d) that was his preferred
title. It's inclusion is not definite, but very probable. -
Parenthetically, the agent and Estate seem interested in having all of
the novels reprinted in a uniform format too, but if that happens, it
would only be after this multi-volume collection. I would certainly
go ahead and annotate the novels too if the opportunity is there.

2) He also described one particular story as the absolute worst thing
he'd ever written, and then he allowed it to be reprinted. He'd also
clearly forgotten about certain stories, so it's difficult to say
whether a certain was not reprinted because he didn't want it to be
versus that he'd forgotten about it. Lastly, I doubt he would have
objected to a career-spanning collection like this which will honor
him and make his works available to everyone again but from one
source. An artist is never the best judge of his/her work; a writer's
early work is fascinating to look at to see the early sparks of later
talent and how quickly the development and maturity took place.

3) Not sure which item you're referring to - I have all of the
Amberzines and can take a look, but it would be faster if you could
point me to the specific item you're referring to. There was fan
fiction in there which will not be included in this collection. If
it's something that Zelazny wrote in whole or in part, then it is
eligible.

oh, and -

4) I keep forgetting to mention that the story "24 View of Mt Fuji, by
Hokusai" will be printed with the 24 paintings before each section of
the story, albeit in grayscale not colour. But including them is
another aspect that I think will be very neat about this collection.

Chris
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:45 pm
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"...And Call Me Conrad in its original two-part
form with the first-person summary in between the two parts"

wouldn't it make more sense to publish the novel as it was actually
written, rather then the chopping done by various editors as you've
pointed out on a previous thread.


Also, didn't Roger not want some of this old stuff to see the light of
day again, because he considered them substandard. ( i seem to recall
him mentioning this in one of the ss collections.

finally,
I remember that Roger had an on-going story with a fan (amber even).
It was published in the last amberzine (i think, i know it was in one
of them) but even that's sort of rare. I think that would be sort of
cool to see in a bound volume
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:45 pm
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>"...And Call Me Conrad in its original two-part
>form with the first-person summary in between the two parts"
<snip>

Which reminds me, has there ever been an explanation of why Zelazny
seemed so fond of giving his leading male characters names beginning
with the letter "C"?
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:54 pm
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On Oct 17, 2:53 pm, "bchocobopatr...@gmail.com"
<bchocobopatr....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember that Roger had an on-going story with a fan (amber even).
> It was published in the last amberzine (i think, i know it was in one
> of them) but even that's sort of rare. I think that would be sort of
> cool to see in a bound volume

Erick Wujcik (publisher of Amberzine) pointed out to me that what you
were referring to was something I'd overlooked before - the last Amber
short story was actually "A Secret of Amber" and it has not been
collected before. Its only appearance was in Amberzine. This was co-
written by Zelazny and author Ed Greenwood, with the two writing
alternating sections. It's not complete, it's a fragment of a story
that didn't get finished because Zelazny died. But it is definitely
something that should be included in the collection. Thanks for
pointing this out.

Chris

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