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Isildur

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:57 pm
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Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
devoted to the cause, and Saruman who put himself forward chest out
ended up falling hard? And then to add salt to Saruman's wounds
Gandalf receives a Ring of Power as a welcome-to-middle-earth gift? No
wonder Saruman was not amused!!!

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:15 pm
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Isildur wrote:
> Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
> and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
> devoted to the cause

Gandalf's humility was one of the qualities that made him a good
choice for the job.

Humility relative to Maiar, that is. His human-cloaked character
sometimes has a touch of superiority complex.

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Glenn Holliday holliday.RemoveThis@acm.org

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Graham Lockwood

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:04 am
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Glenn Holliday wrote:
> Isildur wrote:
>> Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
>> and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
>> devoted to the cause
>
> Gandalf's humility was one of the qualities that made him a good
> choice for the job.
>
> Humility relative to Maiar, that is. His human-cloaked character
> sometimes has a touch of superiority complex.

Is it still a superiority complex if you really ARE superior? Wink



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Peter Knutsen

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:37 pm
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Graham Lockwood wrote:
> Glenn Holliday wrote:
>> Isildur wrote:
>>> Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
>>> and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
>>> devoted to the cause
>>
>> Gandalf's humility was one of the qualities that made him a good
>> choice for the job.

Orson Scott Card once pointed out how Frodo kept trying to pass the ring
on to others to carry. Gandalf, Galadriel, and so forth. I think it must
have been in "Character and Viewpoint", which is an excellent read for
amateur writers.

>> Humility relative to Maiar, that is. His human-cloaked character
>> sometimes has a touch of superiority complex.
>
> Is it still a superiority complex if you really ARE superior? Wink

Graham appears to hold that fallacious position, yes.

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Peter Knutsen
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Graham Lockwood

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:08 am
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Peter Knutsen wrote:
> Graham Lockwood wrote:
>> Glenn Holliday wrote:
>>> Isildur wrote:
>>>> Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
>>>> and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
>>>> devoted to the cause
>>>
>>> Gandalf's humility was one of the qualities that made him a good
>>> choice for the job.
>
> Orson Scott Card once pointed out how Frodo kept trying to pass the ring
> on to others to carry. Gandalf, Galadriel, and so forth. I think it must
> have been in "Character and Viewpoint", which is an excellent read for
> amateur writers.
>
>>> Humility relative to Maiar, that is. His human-cloaked character
>>> sometimes has a touch of superiority complex.
>>
>> Is it still a superiority complex if you really ARE superior? Wink
>
> Graham appears to hold that fallacious position, yes.

I do?



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Peter Knutsen

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:08 am
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Graham Lockwood wrote:
> Peter Knutsen wrote:
>> Graham Lockwood wrote:
[to Glenn]
>>> Is it still a superiority complex if you really ARE superior? Wink
>>
>> Graham appears to hold that fallacious position, yes.
>
> I do?

My big mistake. Glenn appears to hold that fallacious position. You
appear to be a rational person who questions the validity of the
position. Very, very sorry...

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Peter Knutsen
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:41 pm
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Peter Knutsen wrote:

> Graham Lockwood wrote:
>> Glenn Holliday wrote:
>>> Isildur wrote:
>>>> Is it not odd that Gandalf did not at first volunteer for the mission
>>>> and yet ended up as being the one who remained most steadfastly
>>>> devoted to the cause
>>>
>>> Gandalf's humility was one of the qualities that made him a good
>>> choice for the job.
>
> Orson Scott Card once pointed out how Frodo kept trying to pass the ring
> on to others to carry. Gandalf, Galadriel, and so forth. I think it must
> have been in "Character and Viewpoint", which is an excellent read for
> amateur writers.
>
>>> Humility relative to Maiar, that is. His human-cloaked character
>>> sometimes has a touch of superiority complex.
>>
>> Is it still a superiority complex if you really ARE superior? Wink
>
> Graham appears to hold that fallacious position, yes.
>

I don't see the fallacy. One can have a complex regardless of reality. As
they say "Even paranoids have enemies". Even superior people can have a
superiority complex.
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derek
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