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marko_amnell

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:58 am
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The LRB really is a good rag for the book man. Not only did
the last two issues feature Perry Anderson's stimulating
two-part essay on postwar France, but the Sept 2 issue also
reviewed a history book I really want to read:

The Birth of the Modern World, 1750-1850: Global Connections
and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly
http://tinyurl.com/4enqp

The cover shows a black man dressed in 18th century-style
European dress, an example of the "hybridity" of cultures
Chris Bayly is interested in documenting.
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0631236163.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The book traces the interconnections between the West and the
rest in the passage from traditional society to modern society.
An example from Colin Kidd's review in the LRB (doesn't seem
to be online):

"The American Civil War not only produced expected opportunities
and dislocations within the immediate Atlantic world, not least
in enabling Napoleon III to create an empire in Mexico in
contravention of the Monroe Doctrine, but also had a direct
impact much further afield, in Egypt, India and Russia. In Egypt,
the distant war in America served first to accelerate, then to
subvert, the modernising project of Khedive Ismail. With Egyption
cotton substituting for the blockaded cotton of the American south,
the Egyptian government was able to borrow heavily on the European
money markets; but the collapse of cotton prices in the late 1860s
produced a longer-term financial and political turmoil. The Indian
cotton sector went through a similar experience of boom and bust,
while Russian expansionists - suddenly exposed to their dependence
on American cotton - eagerly eyed the central Asian soild suitable
for establishing a cotton crop of their own."

Really interesting, and the book is full of connections like this.
Globalization in action, avant la lettre. Reminds me of the sort
of global connections at work today, with 2,000 rebels in Nigeria
pushing up crude oil prices with their resistance to Western oil
companies exporting oil from their region. Oil prices up to 50
dollars a barrel and could hit 60. Photos from wire services in
the papers of muscular black men, wearing only red bandanas and
blue bullet-proof vests with "POLICE" written across the chest,
carrying AK-47s.

I went to look for this book today in my local bookstores. Not
on the shelves but could be ordered. Paperback 38.50 euros or
43 euros. Pretty steep. And hardcover 124 euros! Hey, that could
feed a family in India for a few months, I think. That's why we
have amazon.com I guess.

I think this is a really interesting and important subject for
historians to write about. Other books about the global history
of modernization would include _The Birth of the Modern: World
Society 1815-1830_ by Paul Johnson, and Barrington Moore's
classic _Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy: Lord and
Peasant in the Making of the Modern World_. Any other books that
trace the origins of the modern world, not just in the West, but
in what we now call the Third World?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:03 am
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Marko Amnell wrote:
 > The LRB really is a good rag for the book man. Not only did
 > the last two issues feature Perry Anderson's stimulating
 > two-part essay on postwar France, but the Sept 2 issue also
 > reviewed a history book I really want to read:
 >
 > The Birth of the Modern World, 1750-1850: Global Connections
 > and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font</a>>

some sort of bizarre typo here. i cut and pasted the
title from amazon. the real title is

The Birth of the Modern World, 1780-1914: Global Connections
and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly

so the period is actually from just before the french
revolution to before ww1.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:40 pm
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marko_amnell DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Marko Amnell) wrote in message news:<f6852717.0409300658.16c3f97b DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...

 > The book traces the interconnections between the West and the
 > rest in the passage from traditional society to modern society.

Some rambling comments on the economic theory behind the
terms "traditional society" and "modern society"...

When I used these terms in talking about the Third World
and development, I was thinking of modernization theory,
a theory about long-term economic development which culminated
in the work of Walt Whitman Rostow. His writings weren't quite
as memorable as _Leaves of Grass_, but they have a certain
charm if you are interested in the dismal science. Things
never really worked out the way they were supposed to with
Third World development, but then again one of the main
intentions was just to counter Communist ideas about economic
development. Rostow's book _The Stages of Economic Growth_
had the subtitle "A Non-Communist Manifesto". Ideology was
always as important as practical success. Rostow's writings
were used for ideological purposes during the Vietnam War.

What are Rostow's five stages? In outline they are:

(1) Traditional society:
- economic structure develops within limited production functions
- pre-Newtonian science and technology
- pre-Newtonian attitudes towards the physical world
- improvements in agriculture can raise standard of living, but
absence of modern science and technology imposes limits
- economy based on agriculture, with a clan-based polity and
fatalistic mentality

(2) Pre-conditions for take-off into self-sustaining economic growth:
- e.g. Western Europe in late 17th and early 18th centuries
- medieval society disintegrates
- modern science grows
- trade develops
- society begins to accept the possibilites for production opened up
by modern science, so remaking of traditional society begins
- trigger for start of this stage in 17th century England was
reactive nationalism due to wars against Spain, Netherlands and France
- other European countries follow the British example
- trigger in Third World countries is incursion by external powers

(3) Take-off into self-sustaining economic growth:
- typical rate of capital investment rises from five per cent to
ten per cent of national income
- a series of sectors of industry are established
- in a decade or two the basic structure of the economy and the
social and political structure are transformed in such a way that
a steady rate of growth can be regularly sustained
- a particular group seizes the opportunities provided by their
resources within the expanding economy

(4) Drive to maturity:
- long period of progress with 10 to 20 per cent of national income
invested in new production capacity
- industries forge ahead, mature and level-off
- new industries arrive on the scene
- period of fine adjustment to social and institutional arrangements
so that eventually a mature economy and society is established
which rests on absorption of domestically-generated new technologies

(5) High mass consumption:
- leading sectors shift away from heavy industries towards provision
of consumer durables and services in the consumer marketplace
- welfare provisions are made
- shift from traditional society to modern society is complete

According to Rostow, these five stages are "both a theory about
economic growth and a more general, if still highly partial,
theory about modern history as a whole". So the theory is intended
to be more than just an arbitrary periodization of modern history.
Therefore, Rostow must offer some mechanism based on a dynamic
theory of production. In addition to the initial trigger of
reactive nationalism, the dynamic theory has basically two parts.
The first is a theory about the right path the economy should
take in shifting from one sector to another. The right path
involves a shift from raw-material production to manufacturing
and then to knowledge-based industries.

The second part is growth economics, such as found in the work
of Roy Harrod. Harrod basically invented growth economics in
his 1939 essay "An Essay in Dynamic Theory" (Economic Journal, 49).
In outline, the theory is as follows. Three variables are
introduced for the rate of economic growth:

Ga = The ACTUAL rate of growth
Gw = The WARRANTED rate of growth
Gn = The NATURAL rate of growth

Ga is just the actual rate of growth within the economy.
Harrod's basic proposition is that Ga = s/v, where

s = the marginal propensity to save
v = the marginal capital-output ratio

This equation can define a growth path for the economy when
connected to a statement about the entrepreneur's estimation
of future trends. That is the role of Gw. The warranted rate
of growth reflects the judgement of the businessman about
tomorrow's possibilities. It is determined independently of Ga.

Gn is the rate of growth that flows from a given rise in
population where more people means more production.

Harrod concludes that if by coincidence Ga=Gw=Gn then steady
economic growth at full employment occurs. But since Ga, Gw,
and Gn are are all determined independently, this state of
affairs is unlikely to occur, and even if it comes about,
it is unstable. This is the so-called "First Harrod Problem",
and leads to the prediction that the system tends to stagnate.

The "Second Harrod Problem" is the problem of stability.
If Ga diverges from Gw, then it is likely to continue to do so.
Once the growth path is lost, the rational corrective behavior
of the entrepreneur is such that things get worse not better.

Harrod concludes that long-term economic development requires
government intervention in the economy.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson DeleteThis @ttrryytteell.com> wrote:

   >> > The Birth of the Modern World, 1750-1850: Global Connections
   >> > and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly
<font color=brown>   >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font</a>>
  >>
  >> some sort of bizarre typo here. i cut and pasted the
  >> title from amazon. the real title is
  >>
  >> The Birth of the Modern World, 1780-1914: Global Connections
  >> and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly
 >
 > 1750-1850 are the dates in Amazon's version
 > of the title. But if you click on the book cover
 > it enlarges enough to read 1780-1914.

Yes, it's very strange. If you Google with the string
" "birth of the modern world" bayly " you get a lot
of hits, all of which have the dates 1780-1914 except
for the apparent amazon error, and a second error
on the page:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pickabook.co.uk/cgi/bkdetail.php?isbn=0631236163" target="_blank">http://www.pickabook.co.uk/cgi/bkdetail.php?isbn=0631236163</a>

I don't know what the explanation is. Did the publisher
provide a wrong title at first and amazon picked that
up? Or did someone at amazon type in the title incorrectly?
If so, what about the pickabook error? Did someone at
pickabook just mechanically reproduce the error from
amazon? Perhaps. Mysterious...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:30 pm
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<marko_amnell.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > The Birth of the Modern World, 1750-1850: Global Connections
  > > and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4enqp</font</a>>
 >
 > some sort of bizarre typo here. i cut and pasted the
 > title from amazon. the real title is
 >
 > The Birth of the Modern World, 1780-1914: Global Connections
 > and Comparisons, by C. A. Bayly

1750-1850 are the dates in Amazon's version
of the title. But if you click on the book cover
it enlarges enough to read 1780-1914.

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