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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:40 pm
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has anyone read blood canticle yet? if so is it any god?

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:57:25 -0500, "darknsweettt"
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 >has anyone read blood canticle yet? if so is it any god?

Sorry, Anne Rice ain't what she used to be. Alas.

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awww why do all the good authors eventually lose their touch? did her muse
leave her or something?
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I must sadly agree. I haven't read anything she's written since
Memnoch the Drivel. I pop over here now and again to catch up on the
gossip, but that's about it. I would never have known about her rant
on Amazon if I hadn't read about it here. Her ravings there, putting
down the people who offered legitimate criticism of her later works,
sealed it for me. If she wants to believe I'm too stupid to "get" her
newer books, then I'm ever so glad to agree that I'm too stupid to pay
her any more money for all that "lofty" verbiage.

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"darknsweettt" wrote in message

 > awww why do all the good authors eventually lose their touch? did her muse
 > leave her or something?
 >

Yeah, her husband died. Lestat was based on him!

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She wrote Memnoch long before Stan died, so no excuses there! She said
in an interview before Memnoch came out that Lestat's voice had left
her. After reading the way she trashed Lestat's character in Memnoch,
I agreed with her completely.

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Jessica wrote:
 > dragon wrote:
 >
  > >She wrote Memnoch long before Stan died, so no excuses there! She
said
  > >in an interview before Memnoch came out that Lestat's voice had left
  > >her. After reading the way she trashed Lestat's character in
Memnoch,
  > >I agreed with her completely.
  > >
  > >dragon
  > >
 > Hello,
 >
 > Would you have that link for the amazon rant available? I would love
to
 > read this. I heard about this but did not get to read it myself.
 >
 > Thanx.
 > JC

The link is too long to try and print out for you. If you want to look
it up yourself, it was in response to the negative reviews of Blood
Canticle, posted on September 6, 2004. Here is what she wrote:

Reviewer: Anne Obrien Rice (New Orleans, LA United States) - See all my
reviews(REAL NAME)

Seldom do I really answer those who criticize my work. In fact, the
entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore
denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my
goals. However there is something compelling about Amazon's willingness
to publish just about anything, and the sheer outrageous stupidity of
many things you've said here that actually touches my proletarian and
Democratic soul. Also I use and enjoy Amazon and I do read the reviews
of other people's books in many fields. In sum, I believe in what
happens here. And so, I speak. First off, let me say that this is
addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative
comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the
wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are
projecting your own limitations on it. And you are giving a whole new
meaning to the words "wide readership." And you have strained my
Dickensean principles to the max. I'm justifiably proud of being read
by intellectual giants and waitresses in trailer parks,in fact, I love
it, but who in the world are you? Now to the book. Allow me to point
out: nowhere in this text are you told that this is the last of the
chronicles, nowhere are you promised curtain calls or a finale, nowhere
are you told there will be a wrap-up of all the earlier material. The
text tells you exactly what to expect. And it warns you specifically
that if you did not enjoy Memnoch the Devil, you may not enjoy this
book. This book is by and about a hero whom many of you have already
rejected. And he tells you that you are likely to reject him again. And
this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If
and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no,
I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or
otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and
organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a
status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on
me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a
virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art. Back to the novel
itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him
more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as
powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through
after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through
his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives. For me, three
hunting scenes, two which take place in hotels -- the lone woman
waiting for the hit man, the slaughter at the pimp's party -- and the
late night foray into the slums --stand with any similar scenes in all
of the chronicles. They can be read aloud without a single hitch. Every
word is in perfect place. The short chapter in which Lestat describes
his love for Rowan Mayfair was for me a totally realized poem. There
are other such scenes in this book. You don't get all this? Fine. But I
experienced an intimacy with the character in those scenes that
shattered all prior restraints, and when one is writing one does have
to continuously and courageously fight a destructive tendency to
inhibition and restraint. Getting really close to the subject matter is
the achievement of only great art. Now, if it doesn't appeal to you,
fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant
assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used
this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies.
I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm
answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter
contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously
(and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last
one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses. Now,
to return to the narrative in question: Lestat's wanting to be a saint
is a vision larded through and through with his characteristic vanity.
It connects perfectly with his earlier ambitions to be an actor in
Paris, a rock star in the modern age. If you can't see that, you aren't
reading my work. In his conversation with the Pope he makes
observations on the times which are in continuity with his observations
on the late twentieth century in The Vampire Lestat, and in continuity
with Marius' observations in that book and later in Queen of the
Damned. The state of the world has always been an important theme in
the chronicles. Lestat's comments matter. Every word he speaks is part
of the achievement of this book. That Lestat renounced this saintly
ambition within a matter of pages is plain enough for you to see. That
he reverts to his old self is obvious, and that he intends to complete
the tale of Blackwood Farm is also quite clear. There are many other
themes and patterns in this work that I might mention -- the interplay
between St.Juan Diago and Lestat, the invisible creature who doesn't
"exist" in the eyes of the world is a case in point. There is also the
theme of the snare of Blackwood Farm, the place where a human existence
becomes so beguiling that Lestat relinquishes his power as if to a
spell. The entire relationship between Lestat and Uncle Julien is
carefully worked out. But I leave it to readers to discover how this
complex and intricate novel establishes itself within a unique, if not
unrivalled series of book. There are things to be said. And there is
pleasure to be had. And readers will say wonderful things about Blood
Canticle and they already are. There are readers out there and plenty
of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which
you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And
I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in
school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain
me when I read the utter trash that you post. But I feel I have said
enough. If this reaches one reader who is curious about my work and
shocked by the ugly reviews here, I've served my goals. And Yo, you
dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always has and he
always will. You really wouldn't much like being around either one of
us. And you don't have to be. If any of you want to say anything about
all this by all means Email me at Anneobrienrice RemoveThis @mac.com. And if you
want your money back for the book, send it to 1239 First Street, New
Orleans, La, 70130. I'm not a coward about my real name or where I
live. And yes, the Chronicles are no more! Thank God!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:40 pm
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dragon wrote:

 >She wrote Memnoch long before Stan died, so no excuses there! She said
 >in an interview before Memnoch came out that Lestat's voice had left
 >her. After reading the way she trashed Lestat's character in Memnoch,
 >I agreed with her completely.
 >
 >dragon
 >
 >
 >
Hello,

Would you have that link for the amazon rant available? I would love to
read this. I heard about this but did not get to read it myself.

Thanx.
JC
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:38 am
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This is why I no longer read Rice. As far as I'm concerned she's moved
from being a cherish author to a ego-manical woman who can't except the
fact that people didn't like the book, not because they "didn't get it"
as she accuses, but because it was a crappy book filled with minor, as
well as, glaring inconsistancies, whether or not Rice wants to view
them as inconsistancies. Her rant is nothing more than a childish
whine-fest. I can almost see her stamping her feet in tantrum.

Case in point, Lestat went from being a superb computer hacker to not
knowing what email was in a matter of a few years. Did he lose his
mind? Of course this might explain his overnight loose of command of
the English language.

"And Yo, you dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always
has and he always will".
Nice try, Anne, I'm sure you and your homies speak ghetto while
cruisin' through the 'hood in your limo, all the time.
Take care,
Ashe
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:48 pm
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I liked the book, except for the pro-catholic, pro-saint, pro-pope
stuff. If she dropped out all that religious propaganda it would of
been a better book. I didnt mind it in Memnoch, cause that had to do
with the siritual side of christianity, but when you start delving into
the dogma of catholism... BORING!!!! and sure to annoy all her
non-christian readers.

I would hope, after hanging out with rock stars, and cruisin the world
as a 200 year old 21 year old would do, he would pick up the local
dialects... h's been in the 20th/21st century for how long now?

If he soaks up so much from his victims, and remember who his victims
are, i'm sure a lot of their slang and dialects and likes (hip-hop.
etc) would interest him. If maybe not to make it his own, but to play
aorund with it.

I can see him talking that way just to piss of stodgy Marius & Maharet.
and gloomy Louis.

Shadow
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On 1 Mar 2005 12:48:25 -0800, "Shadow Eagle"
wrote:

 >I liked the book, except for the pro-catholic, pro-saint, pro-pope
 >stuff. If she dropped out all that religious propaganda it would of
 >been a better book. I didnt mind it in Memnoch, cause that had to do
 >with the siritual side of christianity, but when you start delving into
 >the dogma of catholism... BORING!!!! and sure to annoy all her
 >non-christian readers.

There could have been so much more done with the concept. Neil
Gaiman's American Gods, now that was a story that took a very
interesting premise with gods.

 >I would hope, after hanging out with rock stars, and cruisin the world
 >as a 200 year old 21 year old would do, he would pick up the local
 >dialects... h's been in the 20th/21st century for how long now?

Actually, Lestat is only 20. In TVL, he uses an old form of denoting
age when he says: "It was the winter of my 21st year". When a child
turns 1 year old s/he is celebrating 1 year of life and is in his or
her second year. In this case, Lestat has turned 20 and is in his 21st
year and it's winter. Incidently, his birthday is November 7th (the
late Stan Rice's birthday). So he became a vampire just before turning
21.
I didn't know if this was a rhetorical question or not, but according
to TVL he wakes in 1984, so he's been up and about for roughly 21
years now.
 >
 >If he soaks up so much from his victims, and remember who his victims
 >are, i'm sure a lot of their slang and dialects and likes (hip-hop.
 >etc) would interest him. If maybe not to make it his own, but to play
 >aorund with it.

He can soak up as you've said, but that does not mean he wants to
adopt it, especially, when his victims are the dregs of society.
Lestat acknowledges that he's not a nice guy, but he also has a pretty
high opinion of himself. I wouldn't count on him deciding to speak
like the drug dealer he just offed unless the circumstances required
it for some reason. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the problem I
have with this concept is that Lestat has already stated that vampires
don't really change, they become more of who they are.
Even when Lestat was a rock star, he listened to modern music of all
types to learn about the times, but he listened to classical music
from his own time for pleasure and enjoyment. If I remember correctly
Mozart seems to be his favorite composer. He's mine too, ha ha.
He also spent a huge amount of time and effort getting away from his
humble beginnings and becoming a gentlman so I find it hard to believe
that he is now speaking ghetto, which he might consider to be the
equivalent of the peasant-speak of his own time.
It is also hard to believe that in the context of the story this
change in speech pattern happens in a matter of seconds. Remember,
Blood Canticle picks up on the same night that Blackwood Farm ends and
he wasn't speaking like that in Blackwood Farm. Lestat was his
charming, well-spoken, aristocratic-self in that book...with a little
James Bond thrown in for good measure, which still fits with his
personality.
I firmly believe that if Lestat existed he would have change with the
times, especially, when he's already said that keeping in step with
the current time keeps vampires sane. But any changes that occur in
him are going to occur in context with who he is to begin with and an
illiterate ghetto-kid with a vocabulary of 200 words is something he
isn't.
Namaste,
Ashe


 >I can see him talking that way just to piss of stodgy Marius & Maharet.
 >and gloomy Louis.

Personally, I don't think they'd care and he's got much better ways to
piss off the Elders if he really wanted to.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:36 pm
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 >, Lestat has turned 20 and is in his 21st year and it's winter.
 >Incidently, his birthday is November 7th (the late Stan Rice's
 >birthday). So he became a vampire just before turning

She must like that time period cause Rowan Mayfair (myself) is Nov 6,
1959 (or maybe she made her the 7th too). i just know that it tripped
me out that Rowan and I are the same age. I gotta read Witches Hour
again to see.

Shadow
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  >>I can see him talking that way just to piss of stodgy Marius &
  >>Maharet. and gloomy Louis.

 >Personally, I don't think they'd care and he's got much better >ways
to piss off the Elders if he really wanted to.

Maybe piss off is the wrong word... more like Annoy. they love their
bratty prince, but at times i'm sure they just wanna smack him.

Shadow
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dragon wrote:
 > Jessica wrote:
 >
  >>dragon wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>She wrote Memnoch long before Stan died, so no excuses there! She
 >
 > said
 >
   >>>in an interview before Memnoch came out that Lestat's voice had left
   >>>her. After reading the way she trashed Lestat's character in
 >
 > Memnoch,
 >
   >>>I agreed with her completely.
   >>>
   >>>dragon
   >>>
  >>
  >>Hello,
  >>
  >>Would you have that link for the amazon rant available? I would love
 >
 > to
 >
  >>read this. I heard about this but did not get to read it myself.
  >>
  >>Thanx.
  >>JC
 >
 >
 > The link is too long to try and print out for you. If you want to look
 > it up yourself, it was in response to the negative reviews of Blood
 > Canticle, posted on September 6, 2004. Here is what she wrote:
 >
 > Reviewer: Anne Obrien Rice (New Orleans, LA United States) - See all my
 > reviews(REAL NAME)
 >
 > Seldom do I really answer those who criticize my work. In fact, the
 > entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore
 > denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my
 > goals. However there is something compelling about Amazon's willingness
 > to publish just about anything, and the sheer outrageous stupidity of
 > many things you've said here that actually touches my proletarian and
 > Democratic soul. Also I use and enjoy Amazon and I do read the reviews
 > of other people's books in many fields. In sum, I believe in what
 > happens here. And so, I speak. First off, let me say that this is
 > addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative
 > comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the
 > wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are
 > projecting your own limitations on it. And you are giving a whole new
 > meaning to the words "wide readership." And you have strained my
 > Dickensean principles to the max. I'm justifiably proud of being read
 > by intellectual giants and waitresses in trailer parks,in fact, I love
 > it, but who in the world are you? Now to the book. Allow me to point
 > out: nowhere in this text are you told that this is the last of the
 > chronicles, nowhere are you promised curtain calls or a finale, nowhere
 > are you told there will be a wrap-up of all the earlier material. The
 > text tells you exactly what to expect. And it warns you specifically
 > that if you did not enjoy Memnoch the Devil, you may not enjoy this
 > book. This book is by and about a hero whom many of you have already
 > rejected. And he tells you that you are likely to reject him again. And
 > this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If
 > and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no,
 > I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or
 > otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and
 > organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a
 > status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on
 > me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a
 > virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art. Back to the novel
 > itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him
 > more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as
 > powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through
 > after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through
 > his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives. For me, three
 > hunting scenes, two which take place in hotels -- the lone woman
 > waiting for the hit man, the slaughter at the pimp's party -- and the
 > late night foray into the slums --stand with any similar scenes in all
 > of the chronicles. They can be read aloud without a single hitch. Every
 > word is in perfect place. The short chapter in which Lestat describes
 > his love for Rowan Mayfair was for me a totally realized poem. There
 > are other such scenes in this book. You don't get all this? Fine. But I
 > experienced an intimacy with the character in those scenes that
 > shattered all prior restraints, and when one is writing one does have
 > to continuously and courageously fight a destructive tendency to
 > inhibition and restraint. Getting really close to the subject matter is
 > the achievement of only great art. Now, if it doesn't appeal to you,
 > fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant
 > assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used
 > this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies.
 > I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm
 > answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter
 > contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously
 > (and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last
 > one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses. Now,
 > to return to the narrative in question: Lestat's wanting to be a saint
 > is a vision larded through and through with his characteristic vanity.
 > It connects perfectly with his earlier ambitions to be an actor in
 > Paris, a rock star in the modern age. If you can't see that, you aren't
 > reading my work. In his conversation with the Pope he makes
 > observations on the times which are in continuity with his observations
 > on the late twentieth century in The Vampire Lestat, and in continuity
 > with Marius' observations in that book and later in Queen of the
 > Damned. The state of the world has always been an important theme in
 > the chronicles. Lestat's comments matter. Every word he speaks is part
 > of the achievement of this book. That Lestat renounced this saintly
 > ambition within a matter of pages is plain enough for you to see. That
 > he reverts to his old self is obvious, and that he intends to complete
 > the tale of Blackwood Farm is also quite clear. There are many other
 > themes and patterns in this work that I might mention -- the interplay
 > between St.Juan Diago and Lestat, the invisible creature who doesn't
 > "exist" in the eyes of the world is a case in point. There is also the
 > theme of the snare of Blackwood Farm, the place where a human existence
 > becomes so beguiling that Lestat relinquishes his power as if to a
 > spell. The entire relationship between Lestat and Uncle Julien is
 > carefully worked out. But I leave it to readers to discover how this
 > complex and intricate novel establishes itself within a unique, if not
 > unrivalled series of book. There are things to be said. And there is
 > pleasure to be had. And readers will say wonderful things about Blood
 > Canticle and they already are. There are readers out there and plenty
 > of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which
 > you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And
 > I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in
 > school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain
 > me when I read the utter trash that you post. But I feel I have said
 > enough. If this reaches one reader who is curious about my work and
 > shocked by the ugly reviews here, I've served my goals. And Yo, you
 > dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always has and he
 > always will. You really wouldn't much like being around either one of
 > us. And you don't have to be. If any of you want to say anything about

 > want your money back for the book, send it to 1239 First Street, New
 > Orleans, La, 70130. I'm not a coward about my real name or where I
 > live. And yes, the Chronicles are no more! Thank God!
 >
Thank you...and waozers!
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Hello my name is Kimber and I have to say this that "EVERYTHING THAT ANNE
RICE HAS EVER WROTE IS AWSOME"!!!! I'm going crazy waiting for a new book
by her. I just finshed "BLOOD CANTICLE" and I'm so ADDICTED to her work
that my day sucks if I don't have her to read. And now to who ever doesn't
like her work "WELL YOU REALLY SUCK AND YOU CAN KISS MY LIL TEXAS ---!!!!"
Becuase Anne Rice is a true Artist and you only wish you could do what she
does. Her writing is true Passion and Art and the way she makes you forget
about the whole world around you and your so into her work is just
wonderful and awsome. If I could just write half as great as this woman,
oh my god she's just awsome. and to her reply to all the negative
assholes, WELL DONE ANNE RICE
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