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johnastovall

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:17 pm
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Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
experience of my many years of going to sales.

I got there early and was let in to have coffee but did not take
advantage of cherry picking until at 9 when the public was let in (I
could have). There were about 4 people who came in when the doors
opened. In about 5 minutes into the sale was I was just going by
shelves scanning what there. I found about 30+ copies of the War of
Rebellion (127 vol. collection of records on the Civil War published
by the Archives from 1894-1924).

I started putting them on a empty table to see which volumes were
there and which one would fit with my research areas. I then went up
to my wife and ask her to come back and help as I didn't want them all
and told her what they were. A person standing near my wife suddenly
ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
questions!."

At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.

What to you all think of this behavior?
********************************************************

"All plants here have thorns, all animals stings or horns
and all men carry weapons"

Lt. Adolph Engelmann
2nd Rgt. Illinois Foot Volunteers
writing of Texas in 1846.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:17 pm
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In article <tltdl0t4eo44gs754s33j57vr45v16krag.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, John A. Stovall
<johnastovall.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

 > Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
 > experience of my many years of going to sales.
 >
 > I got there early and was let in to have coffee but did not take
 > advantage of cherry picking until at 9 when the public was let in (I
 > could have). There were about 4 people who came in when the doors
 > opened. In about 5 minutes into the sale was I was just going by
 > shelves scanning what there. I found about 30+ copies of the War of
 > Rebellion (127 vol. collection of records on the Civil War published
 > by the Archives from 1894-1924).
 >
 > I started putting them on a empty table to see which volumes were
 > there and which one would fit with my research areas. I then went up
 > to my wife and ask her to come back and help as I didn't want them all
 > and told her what they were. A person standing near my wife suddenly
 > ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
 > the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
 > My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
 > the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
 > them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
 > questions!."
 >
 > At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
 > place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
 > made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.
 >
 > What to you all think of this behavior?


It would be nice if cheapskate sales were as calm & orderly as a visit to
some Museum Gift Shop, but the excitement of cheapskate sales is beating
out the next guy for something worth more than the pennies it costs. If
one doesn't want to risk rubbing shoulders with greedy cheepskates
treating other greedy cheepskates like bowling pins, there are better
places to find books than library discard sales, where greedy cheepskates
never show their faces for fear of spending five dollars instead of fifty
cents for something.

I long ago stopped getting mad at the kinds of vendors who shove & muscle
in for fear I will find something they want or might profit by. Their
behavior is foolish & I don't want to be tempted to imitate such acts as
resemble desparation, but I'm sure there must've been times I grabbed a
few things others were after that annoyed someone nearby.

On the other hand, one of the worst things I've seen scouts do is pile up
books at busy sales, even putting them in boxes, but not to buy them --
only so that they can select from among a stack of maybes while keeping
anyone else from realizing those books aren't honestly already taken. The
act of SEEMING to be interested in a pile of books when one only wants one
or two out of the stack is behavior no better than those idiots who muscle
in & shove & act like fly maggots afraid they're gonna miss out on a bite
of the last turd on earth.

So it's not impossible this chap is on some other list somewhere writing
out a story about the guy at some discard sale who tried to horde a stack
of books with no intention of buying more than a couple out of the stack,
then had the audacity to puff up to the verge of violence because someone
else actually did want to buy them so did so.

It's hard for all of us in a competitive environment to not feel the heat
of the competition, & most of us are to some degree at some times foolish
& greedy in our lust for books, whether for our grubby reading stacks
piled up around our beds, or for resale. One of the most offensived
nutbags who ever knocked me over to get at books I was looking at turned
out to be a pretty good friend when I stopped going to trash-sales & never
had to see her in that environment ever again, so being creepy in one
context may not mean much for the rest of that person's life. Then again,
that fellow might've been so crazy he'd next have drawn a knife & stabbed
the missus, so it's good you both walked away.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.paghat.com" target="_blank">http://www.paghat.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:01 pm
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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:tltdl0t4eo44gs754s33j57vr45v16krag@4ax.com...
 > Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
 > experience of my many years of going to sales.
 >
 > <snip>
 > A person standing near my wife suddenly
 > ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
 > the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
 > My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
 > the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
 > them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
 > questions!."
 >
 > At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
 > place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
 > made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.
 >
 > What to you all think of this behavior?
 > ********************************************************

There are certain people for whom living with themselves is punishment
enough.

My impression from your story is that this dealer must be living very close
to the bone,
either in fact, or in spirit, and finds himself so desperate that even
common courtesy has
deserted him in his need to turn a profit.

It's so sad that he seems to be trapped in a profession where he can't
afford to
enjoy the customers or even respect the inventory.

Alice<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:54 pm
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The worst behaviour I have seen was from a
scout/buyer/dealer who used to come to FOL sales in central
Connecticut. He brought an industrial grade hand truck with
boxes on it, and pulled it across people's feet and against
their shins without a word of apology. (And I don't think
he bathed regularly.) Thankfully, he has not been seen this
year.


Francis A. Miniter


John A. Stovall wrote:

 > Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
 > experience of my many years of going to sales.
 >
 > I got there early and was let in to have coffee but did not take
 > advantage of cherry picking until at 9 when the public was let in (I
 > could have). There were about 4 people who came in when the doors
 > opened. In about 5 minutes into the sale was I was just going by
 > shelves scanning what there. I found about 30+ copies of the War of
 > Rebellion (127 vol. collection of records on the Civil War published
 > by the Archives from 1894-1924).
 >
 > I started putting them on a empty table to see which volumes were
 > there and which one would fit with my research areas. I then went up
 > to my wife and ask her to come back and help as I didn't want them all
 > and told her what they were. A person standing near my wife suddenly
 > ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
 > the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
 > My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
 > the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
 > them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
 > questions!."
 >
 > At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
 > place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
 > made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.
 >
 > What to you all think of this behavior?
 > ********************************************************
 >
 > "All plants here have thorns, all animals stings or horns
 > and all men carry weapons"
 >
 > Lt. Adolph Engelmann
 > 2nd Rgt. Illinois Foot Volunteers
 > writing of Texas in 1846.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:34 am
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"paghat" <paghatSPAM-ME-NOT RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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 > In article <tltdl0t4eo44gs754s33j57vr45v16krag RemoveThis @4ax.com>, John A. Stovall
 > <johnastovall RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
 >
  > > Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
  > > experience of my many years of going to sales.
  > >
  > > I got there early and was let in to have coffee but did not take
  > > advantage of cherry picking until at 9 when the public was let in (I
  > > could have). There were about 4 people who came in when the doors
  > > opened. In about 5 minutes into the sale was I was just going by
  > > shelves scanning what there. I found about 30+ copies of the War of
  > > Rebellion (127 vol. collection of records on the Civil War published
  > > by the Archives from 1894-1924).
  > >
  > > I started putting them on a empty table to see which volumes were
  > > there and which one would fit with my research areas. I then went up
  > > to my wife and ask her to come back and help as I didn't want them all
  > > and told her what they were. A person standing near my wife suddenly
  > > ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
  > > the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
  > > My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
  > > the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
  > > them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
  > > questions!."
  > >
  > > At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
  > > place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
  > > made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.
  > >
  > > What to you all think of this behavior?
 >
 >
 > It would be nice if cheapskate sales were as calm & orderly as a visit to
 > some Museum Gift Shop, but the excitement of cheapskate sales is beating
 > out the next guy for something worth more than the pennies it costs. If
 > one doesn't want to risk rubbing shoulders with greedy cheepskates
 > treating other greedy cheepskates like bowling pins, there are better
 > places to find books than library discard sales, where greedy cheepskates
 > never show their faces for fear of spending five dollars instead of fifty
 > cents for something.
 >
 > I long ago stopped getting mad at the kinds of vendors who shove & muscle
 > in for fear I will find something they want or might profit by. Their
 > behavior is foolish & I don't want to be tempted to imitate such acts as
 > resemble desparation, but I'm sure there must've been times I grabbed a
 > few things others were after that annoyed someone nearby.
 >
 > On the other hand, one of the worst things I've seen scouts do is pile up
 > books at busy sales, even putting them in boxes, but not to buy them --
 > only so that they can select from among a stack of maybes while keeping
 > anyone else from realizing those books aren't honestly already taken. The
 > act of SEEMING to be interested in a pile of books when one only wants
 > one or two out of the stack is behavior no better than those idiots
 > who muscle in & shove & act like fly maggots afraid they're gonna miss
 > out on a bite of the last turd on earth.
 >
 > So it's not impossible this chap is on some other list somewhere writing
 > out a story about the guy at some discard sale who tried to horde a stack
 > of books with no intention of buying more than a couple out of the stack,
 > then had the audacity to puff up to the verge of violence because someone
 > else actually did want to buy them so did so.
 >
 > It's hard for all of us in a competitive environment to not feel the heat
 > of the competition, & most of us are to some degree at some times foolish
 > & greedy in our lust for books, whether for our grubby reading stacks
 > piled up around our beds, or for resale. One of the most offensived
 > nutbags who ever knocked me over to get at books I was looking at turned
 > out to be a pretty good friend when I stopped going to trash-sales &
 > never
 > had to see her in that environment ever again, so being creepy in one
 > context may not mean much for the rest of that person's life. Then again,
 > that fellow might've been so crazy he'd next have drawn a knife & stabbed
 > the missus, so it's good you both walked away.
 >
 > -paghat the ratgirl
 >
 > --
 > "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
 > "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
 > -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
<font color=purple> > Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.paghat.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.paghat.com</font</a>>



A few years ago before it was finally all redeveloped there still
used to be open air bookstalls in Farringdon Rd in London, just up
from St Pauls. Although rather than being stalls they were actually
barrows on wheels.
In the really old days there were loads of them, but in the latter years
it sunk to three or four all owned by the same dealer whose name I
forget. Every saturday morning at around 9(?)the tarpaulin covered
stalls would be wheeled alongside the pavement, and all the buyers
would all crowd around in anticipation, ready to pounce as the tarpulins
were whipped off each stall in turn. Whether these characters were
scouts or simply bibliomaniacs I'm not sure. But the pushing and shoving,
scrambling, and clawing, was more like a rush for the lifeboats on a
sinking Italian* liner than anything else I've ever witnessed. Although
I've never been to the opening of a Harrods Sale either I must admit. And
in the few times I went, I saw books torn in half across the stall more
than once. The stock in the main wasn't exactly top notch fortunately
but you got the idea that it was only the siren call of the books that
kept many of the participants from each others throats.


michael adams

* There's no women and children first rule apparently.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:29 am
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.DeleteThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message news:<415766ff_2.DeleteThis@news1.prserv.net>...
 > The worst behaviour I have seen was from a
 > scout/buyer/dealer who used to come to FOL sales in central
 > Connecticut. He brought an industrial grade hand truck with
 > boxes on it, and pulled it across people's feet and against
 > their shins without a word of apology. (And I don't think
 > he bathed regularly.) Thankfully, he has not been seen this
 > year.
 >
 >
 > Francis A. Miniter
 >
 >
 > John A. Stovall wrote:
 >
  > > Yesterday at my Universities FOL sale I had the most unpleasant
  > > experience of my many years of going to sales.
  > >
  > > I got there early and was let in to have coffee but did not take
  > > advantage of cherry picking until at 9 when the public was let in (I
  > > could have). There were about 4 people who came in when the doors
  > > opened. In about 5 minutes into the sale was I was just going by
  > > shelves scanning what there. I found about 30+ copies of the War of
  > > Rebellion (127 vol. collection of records on the Civil War published
  > > by the Archives from 1894-1924).
  > >
  > > I started putting them on a empty table to see which volumes were
  > > there and which one would fit with my research areas. I then went up
  > > to my wife and ask her to come back and help as I didn't want them all
  > > and told her what they were. A person standing near my wife suddenly
  > > ran back and began grabbing them off the shelves and piling them in
  > > the floor. I ask what was going on and was told, "I'm buying them."
  > > My wife ask if he was a dealer and said I was working on a book about
  > > the war and only need a couple of select copies (as he keeps piling
  > > them in the floor. He screams at her, "I don't have to answer your
  > > questions!."
  > >
  > > At which point I told him if he wished to be a pig take the ones I had
  > > place on the table and we left. I truly fear if I had remained and he
  > > made one more remark, I would have been moved to violence.
  > >
  > > What to you all think of this behavior?
  > > ********************************************************
  > >
  > > "All plants here have thorns, all animals stings or horns
  > > and all men carry weapons"
  > >
  > > Lt. Adolph Engelmann
  > > 2nd Rgt. Illinois Foot Volunteers
  > > writing of Texas in 1846.


I've had people try to leap over me...and fail. Had a friend pushed
through a large glass window, and seen people threatened with box
cutters. But my personal fave was the woman who would shove her baby
stroller (with baby) in front of her to block the ravening
hordes...seemingly oblivious of the wave of unwashed humanity that
crashed about them...

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:19 am
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter RemoveThis @attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
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 > The worst behaviour I have seen was from a
 > scout/buyer/dealer who used to come to FOL sales in central
 > Connecticut. He brought an industrial grade hand truck with
 > boxes on it, and pulled it across people's feet and against
 > their shins without a word of apology.

 > (And I don't think he bathed regularly.)
 > Thankfully, he has not been seen this year.
 >


Or smelled either, presumably.

michael adams

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