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Since: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:01 am
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Can anyone recommend a book or tutorial that clarifies how to layout a
simple book (a novel) using Indesign. It's in 110 x 176 mm format. The
interior is a few pages of copyright and other preamble (without page
numbers), the body of the novel (page numbered starting at 1), then a
few pages of other stuff at the end (without page numbers).
Just a flavour of the things I'm not completely clear on regarding
Indesign are:
- does this need 3 master pages, one each for the begining, middle, and
end?
- how to place the page number for the middle section so that its
exactly centred under the text (I can manually place it approximately
centred - but that doesn't feel quite right)
And a flavour of the general layout issues I'm unsure of:
- what to use for L, R, T, B margins? Are there industry standard
guidelines, etc
- there's no bleed required for the interior because it's just text
without a background, but approx 1/4 inch on all sides of the cover to
allow for trimming?
I'm sure thousands of people have been through this same learning curve
so I'm hoping someone's written it down as an end-to-end process,
perhaps even with templates, all the way to files on a disk for the
printer. If they haven't, then I will when I finally get through
this...
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Since: Jul 11, 2003 Posts: 240
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:12 am
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In article <1127487672.053061.270990 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Palmprint" <sales RemoveThis @palmprint.co.uk> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a book or tutorial that clarifies how to layout a
> simple book (a novel) using Indesign. It's in 110 x 176 mm format. The
> interior is a few pages of copyright and other preamble (without page
> numbers), the body of the novel (page numbered starting at 1), then a
> few pages of other stuff at the end (without page numbers).
>
An excellent book on the topic is Book Design and Production: A Guide
for Authors and Publishers by Pete Masterson available through
Amazon.com (it will have to be shipped from the U.S.)
> Just a flavour of the things I'm not completely clear on regarding
> Indesign are:
> - does this need 3 master pages, one each for the begining, middle, and
> end?
InDesign is very flexible ... you can apply the "none" master page then
create an individual page as you wish. However, using several master
pages is usually quite helpful.
I usually create a "running headers" master page, a "drop folio" master
page (to be used on pages with a chapter opener or other pages where
running headers aren't appropriate), and other master pages as
necessary. (I should note that I usually place the folios (page numbers)
at the outside, top.)
> - how to place the page number for the middle section so that its
> exactly centred under the text (I can manually place it approximately
> centred - but that doesn't feel quite right)
To center the page numbers, create a text block the width of the text
area of your book. Then create a paragraph style with no indent and
select the "center" alignment. You can do this on a master page and
insert the "auto page number" glyph so that the page numbering will be
taken care of automatically.
>
> And a flavour of the general layout issues I'm unsure of:
> - what to use for L, R, T, B margins? Are there industry standard
> guidelines, etc
There are no exact industry standard, except the general provision that
the bottom margin should be the largest, followed by the _outside_, top,
and inside margins. (Take a look at an image of the Gutenberg Bible to
see an exaggerated example.) The margins do not include folios or
running heads. A running head is placed approximately 1 full line above
the top of the main text block. A folio is placed about 2 to 3 lines
below the bottom of the main text block.
> - there's no bleed required for the interior because it's just text
> without a background, but approx 1/4 inch on all sides of the cover to
> allow for trimming?
Covers are made in one piece (back, spine, and front as you look at the
page). I find it easiest to create a 'landscape' page with the
dimensions of the book and spine. (e.g. a 6 inch by 9 inch book would
have a cover of 12 x 9 inches plus the width of the spine.) Assuming a
spine width of 1/2 inch, then the cover page is 12.5 x 9 inches. 1/8
inch bleed allowance is made in the page setup dialog of InDesign (you
may need to click on the "more" button to show the bleed setting).
Then set the margins to zero and set the columns to "2" with the
"gutter" set to the spine width (1/2 inch). You have now neatly created
a template for laying out the cover. Bring in guide lines to create
margins for text on the front and back cover ... and don't forget to
allow the margins next to the spine! So, if you create a 1/2 inch margin
from an outside edge, drag another guide 1/2 inch from the edge of the
spine. That will keep elements reasonably centered. I usually drag a
guide to the center line of the front/back covers (this is simplified by
moving the 'zero point' to one side of the spine then the other since
spine widths are rarely so evenly measured as in this example).
>
> I'm sure thousands of people have been through this same learning curve
> so I'm hoping someone's written it down as an end-to-end process,
> perhaps even with templates, all the way to files on a disk for the
> printer. If they haven't, then I will when I finally get through
> this...
>
The book mentioned in the first paragraph takes you from finished
manuscript through finding a printer (including the various printing
options you might have). While it was written for the U.S. market, (so
the discussion of the printing Trade Customs only directly applies to
the U.S.) nearly everything in the book applies to most any
English-speaking country (and probably a lot of non-English speaking
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Since: Sep 04, 2005 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:02 am
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"Stella Abzug" <abzug.TakeThisOut@soda.pop.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1127487672.053061.270990.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "Palmprint" <sales.TakeThisOut@palmprint.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone recommend a book or tutorial that clarifies how to layout a
> > simple book (a novel) using Indesign. It's in 110 x 176 mm format. The
> > interior is a few pages of copyright and other preamble (without page
> > numbers), the body of the novel (page numbered starting at 1), then a
> > few pages of other stuff at the end (without page numbers).
> >
>
> An excellent book on the topic is Book Design and Production: A Guide
> for Authors and Publishers by Pete Masterson available through
> Amazon.com (it will have to be shipped from the U.S.)
How old is this book? It doesn't say on Amazon. Is it up on the latest
software? % years old and it could be way out of date, although, the basic
design info would still be relevant. >> Stay informed about: Book layout via CS2 Indesign |
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Since: Jul 11, 2003 Posts: 240
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:40 am
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In article <43351680$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
"Scribe" <Scribenospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Stella Abzug" <abzug.DeleteThis@soda.pop.com> wrote in message
> news:abzug-003038.09123923092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <1127487672.053061.270990.DeleteThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Palmprint" <sales.DeleteThis@palmprint.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone recommend a book or tutorial that clarifies how to layout a
> > > simple book (a novel) using Indesign. It's in 110 x 176 mm format. The
> > > interior is a few pages of copyright and other preamble (without page
> > > numbers), the body of the novel (page numbered starting at 1), then a
> > > few pages of other stuff at the end (without page numbers).
> > >
> >
> > An excellent book on the topic is Book Design and Production: A Guide
> > for Authors and Publishers by Pete Masterson available through
> > Amazon.com (it will have to be shipped from the U.S.)
>
> How old is this book? It doesn't say on Amazon. Is it up on the latest
> software? % years old and it could be way out of date, although, the basic
> design info would still be relevant.
>
>
The book was released on August 15 of this year. (Amazon says 6/15, but
that was a target date in the Books In Print database that was missed.)
Look under "Product Details" (for any book) and it will show the
publisher: the publisher name (and date in parenthesis). That date is
the "publication date" of the book.
The book discusses InDesign CS (version 3.x) and, of course, InDesign
CS2 (version 4.x) has been released. However, there is nothing discussed
in the book that has changed between the two InDesign versions that
affect the discussion. (The book is not a tutorial of using InDesign --
some knowledge of how the program works is required. However, it does
discuss specifics of laying out a book and had screen shots, etc. that
help with the process.)
I bought my copy through Amazon marketplace and saved a few dollars on a
copy that had slight shipping damage. (It was very slightly bent.) >> Stay informed about: Book layout via CS2 Indesign |
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Since: Jun 07, 2005 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:05 pm
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In article <abzug-003038.09123923092005.DeleteThis@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
abzug.DeleteThis@soda.pop.com says...
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>There are no exact industry standard, except the general provision that
>the bottom margin should be the largest, followed by the _outside_, top,
>and inside margins.
>
That looks fine on hardbacks that fold flat, but it looks rubbish on
paperbacks, and it makes you crease the spine by forcing you to open the book
wider than necessary - which makes it far more awkward to read the book
and keep it looking unread before giving it to someone as a gift. Publishers
today just have no consideration for their customers.
I hate how-to books. I've read loads of them that I borrowed from the library.
They're always the same. They always describe themselves as essential. And
they always seem to be written by someone who was thinking, 'Now. How can I
fill a whole book on this subject?'
As soon as you read one on a subject you know a lot about, you realize how
much of them is filled with just the author's opinion on the subject, and what
he thinks it is reasonable to assume. You never find more than a couple of
useful facts, and then later on you realize those "facts" weren't either as
useful or essential as you supposed and that you pick them up naturally
anyway. You dragged yourself through all that waffle for nothing. >> Stay informed about: Book layout via CS2 Indesign |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:05 pm
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In article <dh481t$mit$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
lucas_hyde.TakeThisOut@fsmail.net (Lucas Hyde) wrote:
> In article <abzug-003038.09123923092005.TakeThisOut@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> abzug.TakeThisOut@soda.pop.com says...
> >
> >There are no exact industry standard, except the general provision that
> >the bottom margin should be the largest, followed by the _outside_, top,
> >and inside margins.
> >
>
> That looks fine on hardbacks that fold flat, but it looks rubbish on
> paperbacks, and it makes you crease the spine by forcing you to open the book
> wider than necessary - which makes it far more awkward to read the book
> and keep it looking unread before giving it to someone as a gift. Publishers
> today just have no consideration for their customers.
>
If done right, it's not a problem. My starting point is a bottom margin
of about 1 inch (adjusted for the line count/leading), outside .875
inch, top .835 inch (not counting running header), inside .75 inch.
Probably 95% of the books I've designed are trade paperback. Not one
causes the reader the need to crease the spine to read the material. One
sign of the amateur book is too-narrow margins and the problem you
describe is common when care is not taken to ensure that the inside
margin is of sufficient width. In rare cases, I've used a 5/8 inch
inside margin... at that is about the least margin possible where spine
creasing doesn't set in.
> I hate how-to books. I've read loads of them that I borrowed from the
> library.
> They're always the same. They always describe themselves as essential. And
> they always seem to be written by someone who was thinking, 'Now. How can I
> fill a whole book on this subject?'
>
My, my. You've now classified _all_ books as being "the same." Somehow,
that seems unlikely.
Of course, _any_ book will be expressing the views and opinions of the
writer. That's what authorship is about. I have a substantial collection
of typography and design books. Each one has a point of view. I agree
with some writers ... and disagree with others. However, whether I agree
or not, simply reading the books and considering the various viewpoints
helps me to better appreciate my own views.
> As soon as you read one on a subject you know a lot about, you realize how
> much of them is filled with just the author's opinion on the subject, and
> what
> he thinks it is reasonable to assume. You never find more than a couple of
> useful facts, and then later on you realize those "facts" weren't either as
> useful or essential as you supposed and that you pick them up naturally
> anyway. You dragged yourself through all that waffle for nothing.
>
I guess there's no point in going to college... or high school.... or
elementary school... you can just learn what you need "naturally."
This hardly seems like an informed opinion for someone participating in
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:20 am
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In article <abzug-171A5C.14524424092005.DeleteThis@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
abzug.DeleteThis@soda.pop.com says...
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>> As soon as you read one on a subject you know a lot about, you realize how
>> much of them is filled with just the author's opinion on the subject, and
>> what
>> he thinks it is reasonable to assume. You never find more than a couple of
>> useful facts, and then later on you realize those "facts" weren't either as
>> useful or essential as you supposed and that you pick them up naturally
>> anyway. You dragged yourself through all that waffle for nothing.
>>
>I guess there's no point in going to college... or high school.... or
>elementary school... you can just learn what you need "naturally."
>
>This hardly seems like an informed opinion for someone participating in
>a newsgroup dedicated to publishing.
>
If how-to books were as high quality as the best school textbooks, I would
have no gripe whatsoever. For example, Tom Duncan's 'PHYSICS - a Textbook for
Advanced Level Students' ISBN 0-7195-4336-3 is superb. I kept it from all
those years ago at school, and I still read it.
What I hate about how-to books is that so many of them are unashamed cash-ins.
They are often hardly more than a marketing idea and 300 pages of guff. They
seem to be written by people who want to write a book about something, not by
people who are especially wise about the subject matter.
Of course there are exceptions. I do own at least one how-to book, and it's
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:22 am
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"Lucas Hyde" <lucas_hyde.RemoveThis@fsmail.net> wrote in message
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> In article <abzug-171A5C.14524424092005.RemoveThis@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> abzug.RemoveThis@soda.pop.com says...
> >
> >> As soon as you read one on a subject you know a lot about, you realize
how
> >> much of them is filled with just the author's opinion on the subject,
and
> >> what
> >> he thinks it is reasonable to assume. You never find more than a couple
of
> >> useful facts, and then later on you realize those "facts" weren't
either as
> >> useful or essential as you supposed and that you pick them up naturally
> >> anyway. You dragged yourself through all that waffle for nothing.
> >>
> >I guess there's no point in going to college... or high school.... or
> >elementary school... you can just learn what you need "naturally."
> >
> >This hardly seems like an informed opinion for someone participating in
> >a newsgroup dedicated to publishing.
> >
>
> If how-to books were as high quality as the best school textbooks, I would
> have no gripe whatsoever. For example, Tom Duncan's 'PHYSICS - a Textbook
for
> Advanced Level Students' ISBN 0-7195-4336-3 is superb. I kept it from all
> those years ago at school, and I still read it.
>
> What I hate about how-to books is that so many of them are unashamed
cash-ins.
> They are often hardly more than a marketing idea and 300 pages of guff.
They
> seem to be written by people who want to write a book about something, not
by
> people who are especially wise about the subject matter.
>
> Of course there are exceptions. I do own at least one how-to book, and
it's
> very good, but it was written over 50 years ago.
Many "How To" books are part of a publishers range. They commision people
to write them on a topic. The writer may not be that well up on the
subject. Those who individually write them, because they do have
information and techniques to pass on, are the better books.
The best How-To book I have read is: How to Publish Your Own Book by Vernon
Coleman. Vernon is a prolific, very successful, self publishing writer on
all topics, selling over 2 million books world-wide. He must turn out 3 or
4 books a year. He is a doctor and writes many books on medical topics.
So, all those down at the mouth self publishers, look at Vernon. His way of
doing things is well worth looking at. Although, you must have the content
to begin with.
He is specific to the UK market, but useful to the US too. He goes into
detail of how to market the book and target buyers by mail shots. He tends
to advertise in mags and newspapers. It was written in 1999, and at the
time he didn't see a big future for the Internet, so no Internet content, or
POD either. He does now have a web site, so may have changed that view.
However, he gives all the buzzwords to use when speaking to printers and
bargaining advertising space in mags. He gives details of results of
adertising shots and how to use PO box numbers to deternine how a mag or
newpaper sells a book. He even tells you how to deal with radio stations
who tell you not to mention your new book on air.
A very good book indeed.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:25 pm
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In article <4336a0a9$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
Scribenospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com says...
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>You are stretching it a little here.
>
I just get totally carried away. I can't help myself. I'm even worse when I've
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:46 pm
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Lucas Hyde wrote:
> In article <43367aec$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
> Scribenospam DeleteThis @nospam.com says...
> .
>
> Since the USA is regarded as the richest and most powerful country in the
> world, there is always going to be a tendency for envy from people who don't
> live there.
>
Envy??? Envy? WTF is there to envy there? I've visited the place far too
many time and have been delighted to leave it each time. I only go there
if people pay me lots of money too and I tend to turn down most offers
even then.
I can see that somebody who knows nothing about it might wish to go
there, and there are some pretty geographical sites still left - and it
is better than Ethiopia, sans doubt.
If you want to learn why people don't like Yankland, you're going to
have to try a bit harder than pretending that it is envy!
Of course you probably don't want to learn or understand. So, why not
believe that other people are just stupid and evil? Wouldn't that be
easier to swallow than the idea of envy?
--
Time comes from the future, which does not yet exist, into the
present, which has no duration, and goes into the past, which has ceased
to exist. - St. Augustine
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:47 pm
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Scribe wrote:
> "Lucas Hyde" <lucas_hyde.TakeThisOut@fsmail.net> wrote in message
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> He even tells you how to deal with radio stations
> who tell you not to mention your new book on air.
>
I might get it. How do you deal with them, out of interest?
--
I should many a good day, have blown my brains out, but for the
recollection that it would have given pleasure to my mother-in-law - Byron
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:12 pm
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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter.DeleteThis@new.co.za> wrote in message
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> Scribe wrote:
> > "Lucas Hyde" <lucas_hyde.DeleteThis@fsmail.net> wrote in message
> > news:dh5q5m$r4n$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > He even tells you how to deal with radio stations
> > who tell you not to mention your new book on air.
> >
> I might get it. How do you deal with them, out of interest?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:16 pm
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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter.TakeThisOut@new.co.za> wrote in message
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> Lucas Hyde wrote:
> > In article <43367aec$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
> > Scribenospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com says...
> > .
> >
> > Since the USA is regarded as the richest and most powerful country in
the
> > world, there is always going to be a tendency for envy from people who
don't
> > live there.
> >
> Envy??? Envy? WTF is there to envy there? I've visited the place far too
> many time and have been delighted to leave it each time. I only go there
> if people pay me lots of money too and I tend to turn down most offers
> even then.
>
> I can see that somebody who knows nothing about it might wish to go
> there, and there are some pretty geographical sites still left - and it
> is better than Ethiopia, sans doubt.
>
> If you want to learn why people don't like Yankland, you're going to
> have to try a bit harder than pretending that it is envy!
>
> Of course you probably don't want to learn or understand. So, why not
> believe that other people are just stupid and evil? Wouldn't that be
> easier to swallow than the idea of envy?
I have also been to the USA many times, on holiday and working there. I
don't share your view. I was followed down the street in Chicago by man
with gun in his hand. Coming from a country were policemen don't even carry
guns it was an eye opener.
At least they can afford decent sized homes which most people in the rip-off
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:57 pm
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Scribe wrote:
> "Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter.DeleteThis@new.co.za> wrote in message
> news:dh6gom$hhq$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net..
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> I have also been to the USA many times, on holiday and working there. I
> don't share your view. I was followed down the street in Chicago by man
> with gun in his hand. Coming from a country were policemen don't even carry
> guns it was an eye opener.
>
> At least they can afford decent sized homes which most people in the rip-off
> UK can only dream of.
>
Yes, the UK is a rip-off - certainly the tax rates have become
ridiculous over the past ten years!
It is, however, a tiny country, geographically, with a large population,
so property cannot be anything other than expensive.
--
The creed which accepts as the foundation of morals, Utility, or the
Greatest Happiness Principle, holds that actions are right in proportion
as they tend to promote happiness, wrong as they tend to produce the
reverse of happiness. -- J.S.Mill Chapter II, Utilitarianism
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:32 pm
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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter DeleteThis @new.co.za> wrote in message
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> Scribe wrote:
> > "Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter DeleteThis @new.co.za> wrote in message
> > news:dh6gom$hhq$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net..
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> > I have also been to the USA many times, on holiday and working there. I
> > don't share your view. I was followed down the street in Chicago by man
> > with gun in his hand. Coming from a country were policemen don't even
carry
> > guns it was an eye opener.
> >
> > At least they can afford decent sized homes which most people in the
rip-off
> > UK can only dream of.
> >
> Yes, the UK is a rip-off - certainly the tax rates have become
> ridiculous over the past ten years!
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> It is, however, a tiny country, geographically,
> with a large population,
> so property cannot be anything other
> than expensive.
The UK is "not" small!!!! Only just over 7% of the country is built on. The
countryside is empty of buildings and people. The planning system will not
allow us to build in the countryside creating an artificial shortage. Over
55 million of us crammed into just over 7% of the land mass. The USA doe
not do such silly things, they allow the land to serve the people, not allow
large, mainly aristocratic, landowners serve themselves at the people's
expense - 0.66% of the population own 70% of the land. Aspects of the UK
are like a banana republic. Most British people I have met went to live in
the US, Canada, Australia, NZ or South Africa went to get a decent house -
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