Books with the same title

"Diane" <diane.walker.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wonders:
 > Could someone tell me the position regarding authors or publishers using
the
 > same book title previously used by another author. I have 2 travel books
 > with the title Seven League Boots. One is written by Wendy Myers and was
 > published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1969. The other is written by Richard
 > Halliburton and published by Geoffrey Bles in 1936.
 > Is this common practice in the publishing world ?

The title "Passport To Danger" was used first on a Nancy Drew-Hardy Boys
Supermystery several years ago then used again on a Hardy Boys Digest last
year.
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The worst example I have ever seen is this and both are mystery stories
to boot:


Ted Wood, Dead in the Water (Scribners 1983)
Stuart Woods, Dead in the Water (Harper Collins 1997)


Francis A. Miniter


braves-lady wrote:

 >"Diane" <diane.walker.DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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 >
  >>Could someone tell me the position regarding authors or publishers using
  >>
  >>
 >the
 >
 >
  >>same book title previously used by another author. I have 2 travel books
  >>with the title Seven League Boots. One is written by Wendy Myers and was
  >>published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1969. The other is written by Richard
  >>Halliburton and published by Geoffrey Bles in 1936.
  >>Is this common practice in the publishing world ?
  >>
  >>Best regards
  >>Diane
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  >>
 >Probably isn't a common (or smart) practice, but Peter Lovesey wrote The
 >Last Detective in 1991 and Robert Crais wrote The Last Detective in 2003.
 >Braveslady
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:52:01 -0500, "Francis A. Miniter"
<miniter.RemoveThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote:

 >The worst example I have ever seen is this and both are mystery stories
 >to boot:
 >
 >
 >Ted Wood, Dead in the Water (Scribners 1983)
 >Stuart Woods, Dead in the Water (Harper Collins 1997)
 >
 >
 >Francis A. Miniter

You left out...

Holder, Nancy - Dead in the Water (Dell 1994)




Of course, I published "Night Moves" by Tim Powers the same year as
Ace published "Knight Moves" by Walter Jon Williams.

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"Francis A. Miniter" wrote...
 > braves-lady wrote:
  > >"Diane" wrote in message...
  > >
   > > > Could someone tell me the position regarding authors or publishers
using
   > > > the same book title previously used by another author. I have 2 travel
books
   > > > with the title Seven League Boots. One is written by Wendy Myers and
was
   > > > published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1969. The other is written by
Richard
   > > > Halliburton and published by Geoffrey Bles in 1936.
   > >>
  > >Probably isn't a common (or smart) practice, but Peter Lovesey wrote The
  > >Last Detective in 1991 and Robert Crais wrote The Last Detective in 2003.
  > >
 > The worst example I have ever seen is this and both are mystery stories
 > to boot:
 >
 > Ted Wood, Dead in the Water (Scribners 1983)
 > Stuart Woods, Dead in the Water (Harper Collins 1997)

Two more mysteries--

Charlotte Armstrong, The Balloon Man (Coward-McCann, 1968)
Charlotte MacLeod, The Balloon Man (Mysterious Press, 1998)

Also, and also a mystery--

Julie Smith, Dead in the Water (Ivy, 1991)


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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.RemoveThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote
 > The worst example I have ever seen is this and both are mystery stories
 > to boot:
 > Ted Wood, Dead in the Water (Scribners 1983)
 > Stuart Woods, Dead in the Water (Harper Collins 1997)

Franklin W. Dixon, Dead In The Water (Archway 1998).
Likewise a mystery and the final volume of the Hardy Boys Casefile series.

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"Diane" <diane.walker RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > Could someone tell me the position regarding authors or publishers using
the
 > same book title previously used by another author. I have 2 travel books
 > with the title Seven League Boots. One is written by Wendy Myers and was
 > published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1969. The other is written by Richard
 > Halliburton and published by Geoffrey Bles in 1936.
 > Is this common practice in the publishing world ?
 >

The copyright office has issued a circular specifically answering that
question.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html" target="_blank">http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html</a>

Since it's a government publication, and since I've now refreshed my memory
on the issue by fruitlessly reading most of the actual law looking for this,
I know it's perfectly legal to quote the thing verbatim:

Circular 34
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Copyright Protection Not Available for Names, Titles, or Short Phrases
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Names, titles, and short phrases or expressions are not subject to copyright
protection. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive
or if it lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by
copyright. The Copyright Office cannot register claims to exclusive rights
in brief combinations of words such as:

* Names of products or services
* Names of businesses, organizations, or groups (including the name of a
group of performers)
* Names of pseudonyms of individuals (including pen name or stage name)
* Titles of works
* Catchwords, catchphrases, mottoes, slogans, or short advertising
expressions
* Mere listings of ingredients, as in recipes, labels, or formulas. When a
recipe or formula is accompanied by explanation or directions, the text
directions may be copyrightable, but the recipe or formula itself remains
uncopyrightable.

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But names of products used in commerce can be trademarked (though not
copyrighted). That would probably not apply to a book, however, unless
it was one that was put out repeatedly, such as "The Michelin Guide".
One thing to remember is that law is complex, and the absence of
authority in one area (e.g., copyright) does not mean an absence of
authority in another area (e.g., trademank).


Francis A. Miniter


my-wings wrote:

 >"Diane" <diane.walker RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:40014a75$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
 >
 >
 >The copyright office has issued a circular specifically answering that
 >question.
 >
 >http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html
 >
 >Since it's a government publication, and since I've now refreshed my memory
 >on the issue by fruitlessly reading most of the actual law looking for this,
 >I know it's perfectly legal to quote the thing verbatim:
 >
 >Circular 34
 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >----
 >Copyright Protection Not Available for Names, Titles, or Short Phrases
 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >----
 >Names, titles, and short phrases or expressions are not subject to copyright
 >protection. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive
 >or if it lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by
 >copyright. The Copyright Office cannot register claims to exclusive rights
 >in brief combinations of words such as:
 >
 >* Names of products or services
 >* Names of businesses, organizations, or groups (including the name of a
 >group of performers)
 >* Names of pseudonyms of individuals (including pen name or stage name)
 >* Titles of works
 >* Catchwords, catchphrases, mottoes, slogans, or short advertising
 >expressions
 >* Mere listings of ingredients, as in recipes, labels, or formulas. When a
 >recipe or formula is accompanied by explanation or directions, the text
 >directions may be copyrightable, but the recipe or formula itself remains
 >uncopyrightable.
 >
 >Alice
 >
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter RemoveThis @attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
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 > But names of products used in commerce can be trademarked (though not
 > copyrighted). That would probably not apply to a book, however, unless
 > it was one that was put out repeatedly, such as "The Michelin Guide".
 > One thing to remember is that law is complex, and the absence of
 > authority in one area (e.g., copyright) does not mean an absence of
 > authority in another area (e.g., trademank).
 >
 >
 > Francis A. Miniter
 >
 >

True. There was a portion of that same circular
(http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html) that addresses that:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Begin quoted material~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PROTECTION UNDER TRADEMARK OR UNFAIR COMPETITION LAWS
Some brand names, trade names, slogans, and phrases may be entitled to
protection under the general rules of law relating to unfair competition, or
they may be entitled to protection and registration under the provisions of
state or federal trademark laws. The federal trademark statute covers
trademarks and service marks-those words, phrases, symbols, or designs that
identify the source of the goods or services of one party and distinguish
them from those of others. The Copyright Office has no role in these
matters.

For questions on trademarks or for information on registering a federal
trademark, write to:

Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks
Washington, D.C. 20231

Or call the Patent and Trademark help line at (800) PTO-9199 or (703)
308-HELP (TTY: (703) 305-7785). For the Trademark Assistance Center, call
(703) 308-9000. Internet information is available at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.uspto.gov" target="_blank">www.uspto.gov</a>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~End quoted material~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You bring up an interesting point about "The Michelin Guide" and similar
works. Someone with a copy might find the information as to trademark of the
title included in the book.

Alice
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:39:14 -0600, "braves-lady"
<braves-lady DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:

I believe John Russo wrote 2 novels with the same title:
RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD
One a PBO from Dale the other years later,
a novelization of his script of the movie.

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 >"Diane" <diane.walker DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:40014a75$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
  >> Could someone tell me the position regarding authors or publishers using
 >the
  >> same book title previously used by another author. I have 2 travel books
  >> with the title Seven League Boots. One is written by Wendy Myers and was
  >> published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1969. The other is written by Richard
  >> Halliburton and published by Geoffrey Bles in 1936.
  >> Is this common practice in the publishing world ?
  >>
  >> Best regards
  >> Diane
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  >>
 >Probably isn't a common (or smart) practice, but Peter Lovesey wrote The
 >Last Detective in 1991 and Robert Crais wrote The Last Detective in 2003.
 >Braveslady
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And then there is Michael Crichton's THE LOST WORLD, which not only used the
title of Arthur Conan Doyle's 1912 classic but ripped off the basic plotline
(here and in JURASSIC PARK) as well. . . .

Barbara Roden
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.RemoveThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
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 > The worst example I have ever seen is this and both are mystery stories
 > to boot:
 >
 >
 > Ted Wood, Dead in the Water (Scribners 1983)
 > Stuart Woods, Dead in the Water (Harper Collins 1997)
 >

er,

Chaput, W.J. Dead in the Water (New York: St Martins, 1991)

Smith, Julie Dead in The Water (Ivy Books, 1991)

Stabenow, Dana Dead in The Water (Berkley Publishing,1993)

Dunn, Carola Dead in The Water (Kensington, 2002)

Yates, Brock Dead in The Water (Publisher: Farrar, Staus & Giroux, 1975)

Connie Feddersen Dead in The Water(Kensington N.Y.1995)

Nancy Holder Dead in The Water (Dell, 1994.)

Armstrong, Vivien Dead in The Water (Severn House 1998)

Hoffman, Margaret Dead in The Water (Coastal Plains ND)

Chapman, WJ. Dead in The Water (St. Martin's Press.1991)

Dixon, Franklin W. Dead in The Water (Simon & Schuster Children's ND)

Jill Eckersley Dead in The Water (Scholastic. 1998 )



Two close matches of possible interest -

Fine particles in rivers, related to dead zones. implications
for water quality (Carling. P 1992 )

London and its eccentricities in the year 2023, or Revelations of
the Dead Alive. By the Author of "Boyne Water," etc. [J. Banim.]
LONDON pp. 376. Simpkin, Marshall & Co.: London, 1845. 8o.




michael adams

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Mark Harrison, author of the 2001 Xlibris book True North, may be a little
consternated by the release of Jim Harrison's new novel, True North. Or maybe
he's looking forward to a sales windfall.
Bob
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There are many duplicate titles in the books about books genre. Here
are just a few:

Leigh Hunt, 1847. Men, Women and Books.

Augustine Birrell, 1894. Men, Women and Books.

Miss Bethen-Edwards, 1910. French, Men, Women and Books.

Edwin Payton Hood, 1880. The World of Moral and Religious Anecdotes.
Illustrations and Incidents Gathered From the Words, Thoughts and Deeds
in the Lives of Men, Women and Books.


Andrew Lang,1886. Books and Bookmen.

Ian Maclaren,1912. Books and Bookmen.

Books and Bookmen, the periodical ........


Henry B. Wheatley, London, 1882-84. The Bibliographer (periodical).

Paul L. Ford, New York, 1902,1903. The Bibliographer (periodical).


Luther A. Brewer, 1923. The Love of Books.

Paul Jordan-Smith, 1934. For The Love of Books.


Andrew Lang, 1881. The Library.

The Library, the periodical.......

Jerry Morris


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