Could the Borg assimilate the Ringworld?

Let's just pretend a crossover is possible. After all, it's ALL
fictional.
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nedw378.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> I was thinking that the Solar Laser that defends Ringworld would make
> a tempting target for the Borg. But then again, the solar laser could
> be used to destroy any Borg Cube or Fleet. Even if the Borg were to
> assimulate a Protector the other Protectors would figure out a way
> cancel out the Borg Nanites. The question then becomes would the Pak
> ever want to reverse engineer Borg Technology?

I imagine that the Borg and Tunesmith would each want each other's
technology, very very much. If they somehow came in contact, my money
would be on Tunesmith. He's much more adaptable than the Borg, and
could come up with any solution that, say, Janeway, created, and in a
tiny fraction of the time it took her.

Also, if the Borg were threatening Wembleth's and little Wembleth's
reproductive potential, I think something bad would happen to them.
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I agree totally. The Borg would lose big time because they have no
motovation other than programming. Where as the Pak are "vicious
xenophobes". They would be motivated to win. Plus a Pak can reverse
engineer anything "simply by looking at it" Tunesmith would wipe out a
borg fleet from the map room then scavenge parts afterwards. The only
thing is, is that he would'nt know about the Borg Nanites. A Borged
Protector is too horrifying to think about...
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<nedw378.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Let's just pretend a crossover is possible. After all, it's ALL
> fictional.

The vessels in Star Trek pretty much wok by magic, as run by
technomancers. Better to cross over trek into the Magic Goes Away
series.

At the same time, the Kzin are part of the Trek Universe, but the
Puppeteers aren't. The adaption of Niven's short story "The Soft Weapon"
to the animated episode "The Slaver Weapon" cast Spock in the role
originally played by Nessus.

Karl Johanson
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:15:09 GMT, "Karl Johanson"
<karljohanson.RemoveThis@shaw.ca> wrote:

><nedw378.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>The vessels in Star Trek pretty much wok by magic, as run by
>technomancers. Better to cross over trek into the Magic Goes Away
>series.
>
That's an argument often levelled against ST by hard sf fans, and it's
an unfair one.

I'm no Trekker, but in return, KS enthusiasts would need to explain
hyperdrive, artificial gravity, reactionless thrusters, stasis fields,
the Power, how the Ringworld holds together, psychic luck... in terms
of science as currently understood.

There's magic in Niven's universe as well.
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Speaking as a Trek and Niven fan, I'd have to say that the Borg would be
defeated; the Borg have been defeated (although not easily) by the
Federation (specifically by Picard and Data) and possibly wiped out in the
Voyager finale by Captain Janeway... and the future version of Capt Janeway
for that matter... by a virus developed by Voyager's holographic doctor.

Regardless, the Borg have been defeated by breeders in all of the Trek
appearances. Any protector worth it's weight would be able therefore, to
defeat the Borg.

What would the Borg want from the Ringworld? Well, countless drones for one
thing! They'd probably lust for scrith as well (and what tech-civilization
wouldn't?)- but after that, I can't think of any other advantages to the
Borg in taking the ringworld.

What would Tunesmith (or any other powerful Protector) want from the Borg?
Only one technology might be useful to them- and that's the Borg Transwarp
tunnel capability. Transwarp evidently allows flights across the Milky Way
galaxy in a matter of seconds- this FAR surpasses Quantum II hyperdrive's
speeds. The engineering of these tunnels would pose no serious burden on a
race that can build (and move) a ringworld.

What would happen to a Borg breeder at the right age that ate Tree-of-life?
I think it would either die or be in a constant state of change- for as the
root-virus tried to turn a hominid derived Borg into a Borg-protector, the
Borg nano-technology would be trying to reinforce it's flavor (so to speak).
You'd probably end up with a useless blob of protoplasm and machine parts.
On the other hand, Borg don't eat- so maybe the attraction for the root
wouldn't even be there.


Clear Skies Forever,
Paul



<nedw378.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was thinking that the Solar Laser that defends Ringworld would make
> a tempting target for the Borg. But then again, the solar laser could
> be used to destroy any Borg Cube or Fleet. Even if the Borg were to
> assimulate a Protector the other Protectors would figure out a way
> cancel out the Borg Nanites. The question then becomes would the Pak
> ever want to reverse engineer Borg Technology?
>
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Assimilating a breeder would be futile, as any protector would
destroy it on sight. Assimilating a protector would be
difficult, because I'm sure it would suicide as soon as
it realised what was happening.

Rendering the protector unconscious before assimilating it
might work, but I think the protector instincts could still
cause it to self-destruct as soon as it regained consciousness.

Of course, if the protector-borg thought of a way that
assimilation would help to preserve the Pak race...? It's
hard to imagine what a being that much smarter than me
might think up!

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"I suspect that there is someone somewhere who is on top of
all of this, but that person is not me."
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knowone:
>> Assimilating a breeder would be futile, as any protector would
>> destroy it on sight.

Aidan:
>Logical extension of this assertion is that the protectors would
>destroy any breeder with an artificial heart. Or a wooden leg. Or
>false eyelashes.

This is not a logical extension. A fully-borged-up breeder is a
different matter to a breeder with a wooden leg.

>Fails by "reducto ad absurdium" (or some equivalent bit of dog
>Latin).

That's like saying "You're a dickhead, your arguement has failed by ad
hominem"

(A bit of searching reveals "Reductio ad absurdum" as the normal
spelling)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Latin_logical_phrases

Phil Hibbs.
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>Rendering the protector unconscious before assimilating
>it might work, but I think the protector instincts could
>still cause it to self-destruct as soon as it regained
>consciousness.

Nah, the Borg know all about instincts. They would assimilate the Pak,
whose genetic and cultural distinctiveness would be added to their own.
The Borg would just become more unstoppable.

The question that that does raise, though, is that if the Borg exist in
KS, how do they fit in with the rest of the universe? Who created them?
Tnuctipun? This is a more interesting question to me than "X vs Y", but
only marginally.

Phil Hibbs.
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In article <k11ef.89327$iC7.86598@fe08.news.easynews.com>, wrote:
> Assimilating a breeder would be futile, as any protector would
> destroy it on sight.
>
Logical extension of this assertion is that the protectors would
destroy any breeder with an artificial heart. Or a wooden leg. Or false
eyelashes.
Fails by "reducto ad absurdium" (or some equivalent bit of dog
Latin).

--
Aidan Karley,
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: +57d10' , -02d09' (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
Written at Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:45 GMT
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:00:30 GMT, Aidan Karley
<doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost.RemoveThis@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.group> wrote:

>>
> Logical extension of this assertion is that the protectors would
>destroy any breeder with an artificial heart. Or a wooden leg. Or false
>eyelashes.
> Fails by "reducto ad absurdium" (or some equivalent bit of dog
>Latin).
>
Actually, I don't think this is a reducto ad absurdam case (my Latin's
not up to much either). I think that's exactly how a Protector would
behave towards a defective breeder - at least in the case of the
artificial heart and wooden leg - I won't vouch for the eyelashes...

They're portrayed as fiercely protective of 'their' line and
recklessly impulsive. Knowone's idea seems pretty consistent with
that.
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In article <1132074254.710190.292430 RemoveThis @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
snarks RemoveThis @gmail.com () wrote:

> The question that that does raise, though, is that if the Borg exist in
> KS, how do they fit in with the rest of the universe? Who created them?
> Tnuctipun? This is a more interesting question to me than "X vs Y", but
> only marginally.

We know the Borg can go dimension hopping (species 8472) so I have no
problem with them turning up in KS the same way.

Stephen

http://www.cix.co.uk/~sforbesa
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Just thought of this... Mabey the Borg are a offshoot of the slave
revolt that provoked the Slavers to produce the "Doomsday" weapon.




Norman
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