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Since: Jun 03, 2004 Posts: 1469
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:49 pm
Post subject: Britain -- A Pub Culture Archived from groups: alt>books>tom-clancy, others (more info?)
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"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
Recently, can't remember when, opening hours were lengthened in the
afternoons, but it all shuts down at 11pm (bar late-hour licences).
This has resulted in cramming in as much booze as you can in the
shortest space of time, finally ordering your last at 10.59pm, which you
then have to drink within 10 minutes, or do without.
I don't think longer opening hours would add to this problem (though it
might, initially), but might help to bring us into line with the rest of
Europe, which drinks at its leisure and doesn't have such a problem as
Britain does. I remember in Poland in 1975, the pub (bar) near my
aunt's house, opened at about 6pm or so, but closed at 9pm. I have seen
worse drunks in Poland during that period than I've ever seen in
England."
Renia
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What time do the pubs open in the afternoon in Britain and when did the
rules change?
These "late-hour licensed pubs" -- how late do they stay open for
drinks -- 0100?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
| > Yes, lots of British drunks.
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| > Nothing new there -- we've been hearing about them for decades.
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| > Consider the football hooligans for example.
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| > You Brits have a "PUB CULTURE."
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| > We even see it in these newsgroups.
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| > Drunks and floozies galore.
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| > DSH
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| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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| > Vires et Honor
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| > "Renia" <renia RemoveThis @DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
| > news:cnfdk5$5fo$1@usenet.otenet.gr...
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| > | Not for my son, who is a policeman. He agrees with me that the big
| > | problem the country should be addressing, is alcohol. Alcohol is
| > | available in bars in Greece all day long, and in some places, all
| > | night long. Greeks go clubbing from midnight till 5am, but they
| > | drink soft drinks, not alcohol. Greeks like to party but I have
| > | never seen a drunk Greek. Indeed, I have never seen a tipsy
| > | Greek. It is the British attitude to alcohol which is a problem.
| > | Brits need alcohol to have a good time. Greeks don't.
| > | Neither do the French.
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| > | Renia >> Stay informed about: Britain -- A Pub Culture |
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Since: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 598
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:31 pm
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"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What time do the pubs open in the afternoon in Britain and when did the
> rules change?
Pubs used to open at 12:00 noon and shut at 3:00, opening again at 18:00
and closing at 10:30.
This was introduced in WWI as an aid to productivity.
About twenty years ago the law changed in Scotland to allow opening all
afternoon.
Soon after in England the law was also changed, and pubs were also allowed
to stay open until 23:00
> These "late-hour licensed pubs" -- how late do they stay open for
> drinks -- 0100?
02:00 here, but the police use late licences as a means of controlling
licensees.
For example two public houses in my town have just been refused late
licences because the police say that there are enough pubs open late.
'Night clubs' (which no longer need membership) stay open until o3:00.
All they're doing is making the pubs that do stay open more crowded, so
increasing the probability of a 'You spilled my pint' incident.
But everybody concerned is now fully aware who's in charge...
However it is government policy to get rid of 'opening hours' altogether.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:31 pm
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Thank You....
Getting a license for "late hours" is expensive and requires political
grease?
Drinks are more expensive in "late hours" pubs?
Uniform hours throughout the U.K.?
Food served throughout the hours?
Cheers,
DSH
"William Black" <abuse DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > What time do the pubs open in the afternoon in Britain and when did
the
| > rules change?
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| Pubs used to open at 12:00 noon and shut at 3:00, opening again at
18:00
| and closing at 10:30.
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| This was introduced in WWI as an aid to productivity.
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| About twenty years ago the law changed in Scotland to allow opening
all
| afternoon.
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| Soon after in England the law was also changed, and pubs were also
allowed
| to stay open until 23:00
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| > These "late-hour licensed pubs" -- how late do they stay open for
| > drinks -- 0100?
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| 02:00 here, but the police use late licences as a means of
controlling
| licensees.
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| For example two public houses in my town have just been refused late
| licences because the police say that there are enough pubs open late.
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| 'Night clubs' (which no longer need membership) stay open until o3:00.
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| All they're doing is making the pubs that do stay open more crowded,
so
| increasing the probability of a 'You spilled my pint' incident.
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| But everybody concerned is now fully aware who's in charge...
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| However it is government policy to get rid of 'opening hours'
altogether.
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Since: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:31 pm
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:31:13 -0000, "William Black"
<abuse RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What time do the pubs open in the afternoon in Britain and when did the
>> rules change?
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>Pubs used to open at 12:00 noon and shut at 3:00, opening again at 18:00
>and closing at 10:30.
Cheesh. Only closed for 4 and a half hours a day, and open ALL NIGHT? >> Stay informed about: Britain -- A Pub Culture |
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Since: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 598
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:13 pm
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"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thank You....
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> Getting a license for "late hours" is expensive and requires political
> grease?
Nope. It seems that the system, a dministered by the police through the
courts isn't crooked as a matter of course.
I'm not saying that there aren't crooked coppers who take bribes for a late
licence but looking at some of the people who do get late licences compared
to those who do I would say that it's reasonably straight.
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> Drinks are more expensive in "late hours" pubs?
Nope. All pub prices for both food and drink must be displayed, and don't
change on a day-by-day basis.
If a pint of best bitter is £2:20 it's £2:20 all day.
However some pubs are more expensive than others.
> Uniform hours throughout the U.K.?
Yes.
> Food served throughout the hours?
Food is traditionally the pub landlord's perk.
90% of pubs now serve some sort of 'prepared food'.
Some pubs, especially big 'food pubs' serve food all the hours they are
open, my local 'traditional' pub serves food from 12:00 until 14:00 and
17:00 to 20:00.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:13 pm
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Thank You.
Fair Enough.
DSH
"William Black" <abuse DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > Thank You....
| >
| > Getting a license for "late hours" is expensive and requires
political
| > grease?
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| Nope. It seems that the system, a dministered by the police through
the
| courts isn't crooked as a matter of course.
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| I'm not saying that there aren't crooked coppers who take bribes for a
late
| licence but looking at some of the people who do get late licences
compared
| to those who do I would say that it's reasonably straight.
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| >
| > Drinks are more expensive in "late hours" pubs?
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| Nope. All pub prices for both food and drink must be displayed, and
don't
| change on a day-by-day basis.
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| If a pint of best bitter is £2:20 it's £2:20 all day.
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| However some pubs are more expensive than others.
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| > Uniform hours throughout the U.K.?
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| Yes.
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| > Food served throughout the hours?
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| Food is traditionally the pub landlord's perk.
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| 90% of pubs now serve some sort of 'prepared food'.
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| Some pubs, especially big 'food pubs' serve food all the hours they
are
| open, my local 'traditional' pub serves food from 12:00 until 14:00
and
| 17:00 to 20:00.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:32 pm
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In message <dT4nd.6$Om2.662@eagle.america.net>, D. Spencer Hines
<poguemidden.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes
>"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
>opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
It came from an attempt to get the Munitions workers back in the
factories.
Mike
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:20 pm
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In article <xd7nd.5767$wC.5105@lakeread08>, Peter H. Granzeau
<pgranzo.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:31:13 -0000, "William Black" <abuse.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> What time do the pubs open in the afternoon in Britain and when did
> >> the rules change?
> >
> >Pubs used to open at 12:00 noon and shut at 3:00, opening again at
> >18:00 and closing at 10:30.
> Cheesh. Only closed for 4 and a half hours a day, and open ALL NIGHT?
That's only if you can arrange a lock-in - or confuse the landlord over the
24-hour clock.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:30 pm
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:19:55 -0000, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Getting a license for "late hours" is expensive and requires political
> grease?
No
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> Drinks are more expensive in "late hours" pubs?
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No
> Uniform hours throughout the U.K.?
There are no, inform hourse between pubs . Premises are free to open
during their licencing hours
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> Food served throughout the hours?
in some places , in others not, yet others no food at all. >> Stay informed about: Britain -- A Pub Culture |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:32 pm
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:32:04 +0000, M. J. Powell wrote:
>>"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
>>opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
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> It came from an attempt to get the Munitions workers back in the
> factories.
It came about as a way of shftig the blame for the Somme debacle where
the failed barrage was blamed on poor fuses( caused by drunken workers) >> Stay informed about: Britain -- A Pub Culture |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:33 pm
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"Marc" <Marcdimspam.TakeThisOut@btinterent.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:32:04 +0000, M. J. Powell wrote:
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>>>"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
>>>opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
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>> It came from an attempt to get the Munitions workers back in the
>> factories.
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> It came about as a way of shftig the blame for the Somme debacle where
> the failed barrage was blamed on poor fuses( caused by drunken workers)
A neat trick , licensing hours were introducedin 1915, a year BEFORE the
Battle of the Somme.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:49 pm
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Another urban legend bites the dust?
DSH
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| "Marc" <Marcdimspam.RemoveThis@btinterent.com> wrote in message
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| > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:32:04 +0000, M. J. Powell wrote:
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| >>>"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
| >>>opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
| >>
| >> It came from an attempt to get the Munitions workers back in the
| >> factories.
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| > It came about as a way of shftig the blame for the Somme debacle
where
| > the failed barrage was blamed on poor fuses( caused by drunken
workers)
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| A neat trick , licensing hours were introducedin 1915, a year BEFORE
the
| Battle of the Somme.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:45 am
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:33:10 -0000, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>>>>"I think part of the problem of "pub culture" lies in the limited
>>>>opening hours. This stems from WWI (lights out) and never changed.
>>>
>>> It came from an attempt to get the Munitions workers back in the
>>> factories.
>>
>> It came about as a way of shftig the blame for the Somme debacle where
>> the failed barrage was blamed on poor fuses( caused by drunken workers)
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> A neat trick , licensing hours were introducedin 1915, a year BEFORE the
> Battle of the Somme.
Mea Culpa. Wrong battle? >> Stay informed about: Britain -- A Pub Culture |
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