A British medical credential I don't recognize

In article <lrfq801bk0vu0c39ltn51eoknq23hq2fbp DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
krin135 DeleteThis @aol.invalid.com wrote:

 > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:47:19 GMT, kurtullman DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Kurt Ullman)
 > wrote:
 >
  > > I had to do an article today where the lead author was A.J.
  > > Davies,
  > >BM. (he was from St. Bart's Hospital in London). For some reason it
  > >sticks in
  > >my mind that England gives a Bachelor's in Medicine instead of a BS in
  > >biology, etc., calling it "pre-med" Can either one of you UK types or
  > >one of
  > >you Doc-types or anyone else clear this up for me??
  > >
  > >Thanks.
 >
 > Should have been an "MB," "ChB", or "MB/ChB"...eg Bachelors in
 > Medicine and/or Surgery...
 >

Interesting -- I've never seen MB/ChB. Does that actually reflect
specialization, or is it just an academic title?

If the former, to think of some general internists and surgeons I have
known, much less specialists like a neurologist and an orthopedist,
putting the viewpoints in one person would need continued psychiatric
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:36:49 -0400, Howard Berkowitz
<hcb DeleteThis @gettcomm.com> wrote:

 >
 >
 >Interesting -- I've never seen MB/ChB. Does that actually reflect
 >specialization, or is it just an academic title?
 >
 >If the former, to think of some general internists and surgeons I have
 >known, much less specialists like a neurologist and an orthopedist,
 >putting the viewpoints in one person would need continued psychiatric
 >consulting.

most of the ones that I've seen were older docs, and it might have
been a artifact of their times...what with the Harley St
'Diagnosticians' vs the 'Barber Surgeons'...it's only been recently
that a surgeon in the UK has been called 'Dr', even if they were a
fully certified MD as well.

ck
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"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > I had to do an article today where the lead author was A.J.
Davies,
 > BM. (he was from St. Bart's Hospital in London). For some reason it sticks
in
 > my mind that England gives a Bachelor's in Medicine instead of a BS in
 > biology, etc., calling it "pre-med" Can either one of you UK types or one
of
 > you Doc-types or anyone else clear this up for me??

A traditional course in Medicine in England is five years long and leads to
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery at the end of those five years.
You usually start in the academic year in which you become 19 years old. On
successful completion of the five years, one is a "doctor" but must undergo
several more years clinical training. Just don't end up in hospital in
England in August, when the annual; crop of 23/24 year old "pre-regs" are
let loose on the wards for the first time.

Some medical schools have introduced a "mid way" examination after three
years of study, leading to a degree such as Bachelor of Medical Sciences.
Those students who decide that medicine is not the career for them have a
qualification that means that they have not wasted three years nor generated
debts with nothing to show for their trouble. These are academic degrees
and do not mean that the holder is qualified to practice medicine in any
way.

Some Universities have a graduate entry scheme, where a graduate in a
relevant scientific subject (ie a holder of a 3 or 4 year honours degree)
may join the 5 year BMBS course part way through.

This link has probably more information than you'd ever need to know!
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.medschoolguide.co.uk/schools.htm" target="_blank">http://www.medschoolguide.co.uk/schools.htm</a>

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:43:30 +0100, "YR" <yellowroom.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >
 >A traditional course in Medicine in England is five years long and leads to
 >Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery at the end of those five years.
 >You usually start in the academic year in which you become 19 years old. On
 >successful completion of the five years, one is a "doctor" but must undergo
 >several more years clinical training. Just don't end up in hospital in
 >England in August, when the annual; crop of 23/24 year old "pre-regs" are
 >let loose on the wards for the first time.

ok...so pretty much what Reese and UMKC among others do with the 6
year program...

ck
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