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Since: Jan 06, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:34 pm
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I did not see your original post but I formerly had a bookshop. First we
rented shops, and then purchased a building with a shop downstairs which we
turned into a bookshop and an apartment upstairs which we lived in. Very
good arrangement until my husband suddenly passed away. (Long time ago).
Location is one of the most important things you have to consider - also,
parking. How large is the town? Are there towns nearby of similar size
that do not have a used bookshop? Is there another shop in the same town?
Is there a University nearby? If so, do the university students shop in the
town in which the shop is located? What kind of condition is the building
in? Does it have a basement? How large is it(Is there enough room for you
to store books out of sight so you can go through them).
Even though the shop is only open a few days a week and closed in summer,
what is the gross and what is the net? How good is the stock? What kind of
condition is the stock in? Have you been in the shop a few times before it
went up for sale? If so, do they seem to have customers? Does it look like
they may have culled out the good stuff (a lot of dealers will do that). Do
they do any advertising? Did they purchase the shop from someone else or
did they open it from scratch? What is their reputation?
Does the building having any other tenants - another shop, an apartment?
How is the economy in the town? What kind of neighborhood is it in?
What would the building be worth without the business? What would the
business be worth without the building?
I am assuming you would add selling on line to your operation while the
current owner does not - are you willing to put in the kind ot time that
would be necessary to make it a going concern? (Long hours). Is the
neighborhood good enough for your wife to be alone in the shop every day?
(I live in the Chicagoland area so this is a question I would be concerned
with).
I will be honest - I loved owning a bookshop even though I was the one with
the day job. I still miss it. If you really love it and are willing to
devote the time - and you have done the math....go for it. You won't become
a millionaire but you would love what you are doing.
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Since: Dec 04, 2003 Posts: 49
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:37 am
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"William M. Klimon" <william.m.klimon.c87no.TakeThisOut@spamalumni.upenn.edu> wrote in
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> In article <u4q8uvg4g41ljrenknsscj68vl8v7k0uv1.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, John A. Stovall
> > <johnastovall.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I've bought collections in the past but now I have the opportunity to
> > > by a book store in the town where I work. It is a general used
> > > bookstore. The present owner a University professor (not at mine but
> > > one 70 miles away) and his wife have run it for 7 years but only
> > > opened it 3 days a week and closed it all summer. I don't plan to
> > > quit my day job but have a wife to run it and the building is included
> > > with the stock of some 40,000+ volumes (80/20 hb/pb). The store has
> > > never listed on line.
Several things you might want to consider. In the first
place, while 40,000 volumes take up a lot of space,
they might be worth next to nothing if they are not the
right volumes--the ones that customers want to buy.
As an inveterate browser in used book stores, I have
had a number of interesting chats with owners over
the years. One thing I learned is that selection is
everything. In Southern California (and probably
many other places, I suspect) you can put an ad
in a local newspaper and/or the net and say you are
a bookdealer who wants to buy a lot of books.
People with carloads and truckloads of books
will flock to your door. The hitch is that perhaps
not even two-percent of what people bring you will
be what your customers want to buy. I don't
know about the rest of the country, but I can tell
you that in San Diego County many used bookstores
have gone out of business in recent years. Of
course, you can still find quite a few of those
miserable little paperback traders which only
stock the popular pb's, but I don't really consider
them used bookstores worthy of the name.
Good used bookstores are few and far between
these days in this neck of the woods, which
plainly would not be the case if it were an easy
business to make a profit in. Anyway, don't
be impressed by the 40,000 volumes until
you find how well they match the things that
used and rare book store customers in your
part of the country are looking for. For instance
one thing I have learned is that these days, fiction
books with no dust jacket are seldom worth the
proverbial plug nickel, unless they are something
really special, such as a first edition of ON THE
ROAD or something. Book club fiction editions
with no dust jackets are ofthen worse LESS than
the proverbial plug nickel, in fact. Much of the
self-help stuff is near worthless too. Most dealers
won't touch text books with a ten-foot pole either.
Anyway, the fact is that 4,000 of the right books
might allow someone to make a go of a used
bookstore, while 40,000 of the wrong books
might sink them: One way to find out the
"right books" for your market are would be to
visit some other dealers "undercover" and--
while browsing--learn everything you can.
> > >
> > > What questions should I be asking and considering when thinking about
> > > this possible purchase?
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>
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> So, John, what was the verdict? I thought seriously 3-4 years ago about
> opening a store--or a book nook in a tea house. Glad I didn't do it, but
a
> part of me regrets it.
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> William M. Klimon
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Since: Jul 14, 2003 Posts: 72
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:35 am
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<< In Southern California (and probably
many other places, I suspect) you can put an ad
in a local newspaper and/or the net and say you are
a bookdealer who wants to buy a lot of books.
People with carloads and truckloads of books
will flock to your door. The hitch is that perhaps
not even two-percent of what people bring you will
be what your customers want to buy. I don't
know about the rest of the country, but I can tell
you that in San Diego County many used bookstores
have gone out of business in recent years. Of
course, you can still find quite a few of those
miserable little paperback traders which only
stock the popular pb's, but I don't really consider
them used bookstores worthy of the name >><BR><BR>
When I go to yard sales and make big stacks of books, sometimes a customer will
ask why I'm buying so many. When I tell them I'm a scout, they'll often hand
me their business card and ask me to call them because they've got a lot of
books they would like to sell.
Not one of them turned out to be worth the drive out there. It's always been
the case that the books are junk, and now I take the cards to be polite but I
have given up making long, fruitless trips.
--
"Justice is as strictly due between neighbor nations as between neighbor
citizens. A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang, as when
single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a great gang."
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Since: Dec 04, 2003 Posts: 49
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:15 am
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"Courtney Love" <cloveclone RemoveThis @aol.comdotcom> wrote in message
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> << In Southern California (and probably
> many other places, I suspect) you can put an ad
> in a local newspaper and/or the net and say you are
> a bookdealer who wants to buy a lot of books.
> People with carloads and truckloads of books
> will flock to your door. The hitch is that perhaps
> not even two-percent of what people bring you will
> be what your customers want to buy. I don't
> know about the rest of the country, but I can tell
> you that in San Diego County many used bookstores
> have gone out of business in recent years. Of
> course, you can still find quite a few of those
> miserable little paperback traders which only
> stock the popular pb's, but I don't really consider
> them used bookstores worthy of the name >><BR><BR>
>
>
> When I go to yard sales and make big stacks of books, sometimes a customer
will
> ask why I'm buying so many. When I tell them I'm a scout, they'll often
hand
> me their business card and ask me to call them because they've got a lot
of
> books they would like to sell.
>
> Not one of them turned out to be worth the drive out there. It's always
been
> the case that the books are junk, and now I take the cards to be polite
but I
> have given up making long, fruitless trips.
That ties in with the information I got from the used
book dealers. People who don't understand what
is involved in running a successful used bookstore
think the most important thing is getting books
cheap. On the contrary, a dealer told me that he
often gets out-and-out donations, where people just
stop by and give him two or three or sometimes
more boxes of books. Usually, most such donated
books go right into a trash barrel, because of poor
condition or because they are badly dated (often
technical books that are too old to sell but not old
enough to worth anything as a collector's item).
He also throws out any fiction books without
dust jackets, unless there is something really
special about a particular book in that
jacketless category, or they are very old.
I know this for a fact. I happened to be browsing
one day and saw him throw into the trash about
100 rather new fiction books without dust jackets
which someone had donated. Most buyers
don't want new fiction books with the dust
jacket missing. This dealer has learned that
what he calls "junk books" detract from the image
he wants his store to have with the customers.
As a used book dealer, being intelligently
selective is far more important than simply
getting a lot of books on the cheap.
Which book would you rather have in
stock:: A book you paid fifty cents for
and can't sell for three dollars, or a book
you paid fifteen dollars for and know you
have a very good chance of selling for
thirty or forty dollars?
There seems to be a vast number of
books "out there," but it is pretty clear
that large majority of them are not books
which most used bookstore customers
would want to buy.
>
>
> --
> "Justice is as strictly due between neighbor nations as between neighbor
> citizens. A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang, as
when
> single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a great gang."
>
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Since: Oct 01, 2004 Posts: 252
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:48 am
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On 10 Jan 2004 23:35:35 GMT, cloveclone.RemoveThis@aol.comdotcom (Courtney Love)
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>When I go to yard sales and make big stacks of books, sometimes a customer will
>ask why I'm buying so many. When I tell them I'm a scout, they'll often hand
>me their business card and ask me to call them because they've got a lot of
>books they would like to sell.
>
>Not one of them turned out to be worth the drive out there. It's always been
>the case that the books are junk, and now I take the cards to be polite but I
>have given up making long, fruitless trips.
Sounds like what happen just after we moved to the town we are now in,
the local paper ran an article on us and my book collection. I got a
call from a local "Collectibles" dealer (Flea market) saying since I
was interested in "old books" he had a bunch of old encyclpedia sets
he knew I would want to come out and look at. Sure.....
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Always a little further: it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea....."
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Since: Jul 14, 2003 Posts: 72
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:44 am
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<< I got a
call from a local "Collectibles" dealer (Flea market) saying since I
was interested in "old books" he had a bunch of old encyclpedia sets
he knew I would want to come out and look at. Sure..... >><BR><BR>
And you didn't jump at the chance?
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"Justice is as strictly due between neighbor nations as between neighbor
citizens. A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang, as when
single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a great gang."
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Since: Jul 16, 2003 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:23 pm
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>On the contrary, a dealer told me that heoften gets out-and-out donations,
>where people juststop by and give him two or three or sometimesmore boxes of
>books. Usually, most such donatedbooks go right into a trash barrel,
I get a quite a few donations. The "I just can't bear to throw away books"
books. I never throw them in a trash barrel. Whenever these books come in
,sometimes 20 boxes at a time, I line them up in front of the store with a
sign saying free books. Everyone stops to take a peek at the free books and
quite a few come in and buy some. I've never had free books last more than
two days before someone takes them. I think (barring bug infested are rotting
books) throwing books out is wasting a great advertising tool.
There's nothing better than having a crowd in front of the store to get people
to notice it.
Frank Jason Oreto
Eljay's Used Books
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Since: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 70
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:23 pm
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In article <20040115132348.24726.00000011.TakeThisOut@mb-m16.aol.com>,
eljaysbks.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Eljaysbks) wrote:
> >On the contrary, a dealer told me that heoften gets out-and-out donations,
> >where people juststop by and give him two or three or sometimesmore boxes of
> >books. Usually, most such donatedbooks go right into a trash barrel,
>
> I get a quite a few donations. The "I just can't bear to throw away books"
> books. I never throw them in a trash barrel. Whenever these books come in
> ,sometimes 20 boxes at a time, I line them up in front of the store with a
> sign saying free books. Everyone stops to take a peek at the free books and
> quite a few come in and buy some. I've never had free books last more than
> two days before someone takes them. I think (barring bug infested are rotting
> books) throwing books out is wasting a great advertising tool.
> There's nothing better than having a crowd in front of the store to get people
> to notice it.
>
> Frank Jason Oreto
> Eljay's Used Books
> Pittsburgh's South Side
I did that when I still had the walk-in shop, but it was amusing how many
brain-addled dorks would stagger in a couple days later to try to sell me
the same free books.
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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:32 am
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"Eljaysbks" <eljaysbks.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Bill Palmer wrote:
[attribution restored]
> >On the contrary, a dealer told me that he often gets out-and-out
donations,
> >where people stop by and give him two or three or sometimes more boxes
> >of books. Usually, most such donated books go right into a trash
barrel,
>
> I get a quite a few donations. The "I just can't bear to throw away
books"
> books. I never throw them in a trash barrel. Whenever these books come
in
> ,sometimes 20 boxes at a time, I line them up in front of the store with
a
> sign saying free books. Everyone stops to take a peek at the free books
and
> quite a few come in and buy some. I've never had free books last more
than
> two days before someone takes them. I think (barring bug infested are
rotting
> books) throwing books out is wasting a great advertising tool.
> There's nothing better than having a crowd in front of the store to get
people
> to notice it.
Well, every used book store seems to be quite different
regarding location, market, and everything else; so what
works for you might be the wrong solution elsewhere..
Since the dealer I alluded to is in suburban San Diego
County, he likely feels that your method would ensure
that there was a rack or cart of ratty-looking books in
front of the store at all times, and he no doubt feels he
has better ideas for that limited space, where you often
see people browsing $10 and $20 books and there is
never a problem with people running off with them, the
way there would be in most big cities.. Also, in some
locations, if you put a cart of fee books in front of a store
regularly, you would have street people loitering around
in front of the store for the freebies. That would
scarcely increase foot traffic into the store, at least
regarding those who could afford to buy a book or two.
(By the way, this dealer himself tells me that he does
donate books, but only nice-condition ones that aren't
selling, usually fiction paperbacks, since those are
popular with senior centers, and so on. In other words,
he often donates books from his own stock, while
dumping books donated to him into the trash! That
might sound illogical, but it isn't, because more often
than not, the books donated to him would not even
be welcome at a senior center, where most readers
prefer somewhat clean-looking fiction paperbacks,
not outdated technical books, hardcover books with
missing dust-jackets, etc.)
>
> Frank Jason Oreto
> Eljay's Used Books
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