 |
|
 |
|
Next: Between the Lhun and the Blue Mountains
|
| Author |
Message |
External

Since: Feb 06, 2005 Posts: 37
|
(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:57 pm
Post subject: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar Archived from groups: alt>fan>tolkien, others (more info?)
|
|
|
COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar
Not a lot happens in this chapter, which mostly contents itself with
giving a résumé of events and providing a background for later
chapters. True, Melkor does return and the First Battle takes place,
but these events are only summarised, not narrated or described. The
narrator keeps events at arm's length, and the reader isn't really
drawn in.
Synopsis:
Having finished their two-hundred-year hand-holding extravaganza, Elwe
(or Thingol) and Melian carve themselves a domain. The text is a
little vague as to how they go about this, saying only that "the power
of Elwe and Melian increased, and all Beleriand [...] owned Elwe as
their lord". Thingol's subjects were known as the Sindar, or
Grey-elves; and they were the crème de la crème in Middle-earth, even
if they were distinctly middle-class by Valinorean standards. It was
during this peaceful Golden Age, when Melkor was still a captive, that
Lúthien was born.
Also at this time, the Sindar first came into contact with the Dwarves,
whom with charming Elvish ethnocentricity they called the "Stunted
People." (The principal Dwarvish strongholds are listed.) The Elves
found Dwarvish to difficult to learn, but fortunately the Dwarves
learned quickly, and were reluctant at best to teach strangers their
language in any case. Relations between the Sindar and the Dwarves
were cool but correct, and benefited both parties. The Dwarves
preferred the Noldor to other Elves, because of their reverence for
Aule, god/archangel of crafts.
Melian foresaw the end of the captivity of Melkor, and so persuaded
Thingol to build a stronghold with the aid of the Dwarves, who were
happy to do this because it was both profitable and fun. And so the
two kindreds collaborated in building Menegroth, the "Thousand Caves."
As time grew on, the Sindar and the Dwarves became troubled by rumors
of another, nasty people: the Orcs. The Elves thought they might be
Avari who had become evil and savage in the wild. As a result, the
Sindar learned the art of weapon-making from the Dwarves, who had long
been a bellicose lot.
The Nandor moved into Beleriand, and not much else happened for a long
time, apart from Daeron's invention of the Runes, which the Dwarves
valued more than the Sindar, who preserved few records. Orome still
rode in Middle-earth, and everything was spiffy, until it wasn't. Then
Ungoliant fled south and, although Melian kept her out of Doriath, yet
the monster dwelt in the Mountains of Terror, where "life and light
were strangled." Meanwhile, Melkor returned to Angband and rebuilt it,
and Orcs multiplied and assailed Beleriand. The Elves won this First
Battle, but suffered many losses, and evil things roamed about at will,
bringing property values to an appallingly low level. As a result,
Melian fenced off the core of Thingol's realm (henceforth called
Doriath) with the Girdle of Melian.
Comments and Questions
1. Most of this chapter, including the title, comes from a post-LOTR
vision of Middle-earth. The Sindar are descendants of the Ilkorin,
while their language, Sindarin, was originally the speech of the
Noldor. This can be seen in volume 5 of HOME. E.g., in the
Etymologies, the Noldorin forms correspond with what would later be
called Sindarin. Ilkorin forms seem relatively rare; but "alch"
corresponds to Noldorin (now Sindarin) "alph" ("swan").
Tolkien's explanation of the changes in Noldorin are therefore
slightly different (and a good deal more confused) than those in
Sindarin (e.g., Lhammas, LR 188 ff.).
2. The view of Dwarves summarised in this chapter is a post-Hobbit
development. Cf. Lhammas (LR 195): "But the Dwarves have no spirit
indwelling [...] and this the Valar cannot give. Therefore, the
Dwarves have skill and craft, but no art, and they make no poetry."
But this concept soon was modified, to the extent that Dwarvish
soullessness was only one possible view (see CJRT's note, p. 209).
3. How do these changes in Sindar and Dwarves affect the artistic
character of Tolkien's writing? Do they provide a greater range of
perspectives?
4. Why are Elves so cliquish? Reading Tolkien's explanations of the
different divisions of Elves, such as the bit about Sindar being not
too low-class by Moriquendi standards, and certainly a step above those
wretched Avari, sometimes reminds one of a guide to the best country
clubs. Do Elves themselves make a big deal of their relative status?
It seems that "Sylvan" Elves accepted Eldarin rulers well enough
(Galadriel and Celeborn, for example).
5. The Elves seem to have an almost American/British aversion to
learning foreign languages. The Dwarves come off as rather better
linguists, although Tolkien's essay on Eldar and Quendi in WJ assures
us that Elves could learn foreign languages with facility; they just
didn't like to. Another instance of Elvish ethnocentricity?
6. This chapter hints at a specific origin for Orcs. A different
version, or different suggestions, are found in a very short essay on
Orcs (MR, which I unfortunately don't own yet), suggesting they might
be twisted Men, or possibly one of the more proletarian breeds of
Maiar. This is all related to the tricky problem of whether Orcs have
souls or can be redeemed. One of my friends suggests that Orcs have
minds, but not souls, and IIRC has textual support (MR?) - though I
find such a thing difficult to imagine. However, it's very close to
the old view of Dwarves; see 2 above. I think we can only say that
Tolkien never really resolved the issue. Most of the time, he simply
doesn't bother with it at all: Orcs are evil, and that's all there is
to it. But even in LOTR, he sometimes treats them more or less
sympathetically (Gorbag and Shagrat, for example); and in the post-LOTR
period, he intermittently tried to fix the problem, but never really
succeeded. But is the problem really a problem, or should we just
accept that Orcs are "evil" and move on? >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Oct 20, 2004 Posts: 19
|
(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:37 pm
Post subject: Re: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On 22 Mar 2006 20:57:41 -0800, "Count Menelvagor"
<Menelvagor.RemoveThis@mailandnews.com> posted the following:
>COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar
>
>Not a lot happens in this chapter, which mostly contents itself with
>giving a résumé of events and providing a background for later
>chapters. True, Melkor does return and the First Battle takes place,
>but these events are only summarised, not narrated or described. The
>narrator keeps events at arm's length, and the reader isn't really
>drawn in.
I think the discrepancy in style comes from the fact that "Of the
Sindar" is a chapter that is never found in any text of QS that JRRT
wrote. It was a chapter made by CT cobbled together from various
other sources, mostly the Grey Annals.
-Chris
--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Jul 01, 2005 Posts: 3
|
(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> > should we just accept that Orcs are "evil" and move on?
>
> Possibly. Though that might miss the point. I think the point is that it
> is not so easy to resolve such matters, and good and evil are not always
> helpful labels. But you need to know what the extremes are, in order to
> stay away from them, but generalisation and labelling can in itself be
> an "evil".
Or to quote Elijah Wood, "The poor cave troll. It just didn't have the proper guidance." >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Jan 31, 2004 Posts: 2048
|
(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Chris Kern" <chriskern99 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0l8622hm9r84rnoslal3rqe8tgssifn11j@4ax.com...
> On 22 Mar 2006 20:57:41 -0800, "Count Menelvagor"
> <Menelvagor RemoveThis @mailandnews.com> posted the following:
>
> >COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar
> >
> >Not a lot happens in this chapter, which mostly contents itself with
> >giving a résumé of events and providing a background for later
> >chapters. True, Melkor does return and the First Battle takes place,
> >but these events are only summarised, not narrated or described. The
> >narrator keeps events at arm's length, and the reader isn't really
> >drawn in.
>
> I think the discrepancy in style comes from the fact that "Of the
> Sindar" is a chapter that is never found in any text of QS that JRRT
> wrote. It was a chapter made by CT cobbled together from various
> other sources, mostly the Grey Annals.
Hmm. So later, boring chapters, such as "Of Beleriand and its Realms"
(OK, I'm joking, it's not that boring, but still...), can chapters like
that be traced back to being more reliably based on some complete text
that JRRT wrote?
And given this "cobbled together" nature of this chapter, "Of the
Sindar", what is its function? What important stuff do we learn? As far
as I can tell, we get introduced to Luthien, and we get background on
the dwarves, and learn more about Thingol's kingdom. We are also told
the story of the Nandor, and that gives us the background to later
snippets of story that include Ossiriand. And then we get the First
Battle of the Wars of Beleriand.
It is slightly confusing that we then get two _more_ chapters of stuff
before the story started at the end of this chapter (the landing of
Feanor at Losgar) is resumed. The same thing happens with Fingolfin's
story. He is left blowing his trumpets at the end of chapter 9, and this
story thread is not taken up again until the middle of chapter 11, and
then again a few pages into chapter 13. In fact, this is not _slightly_
confusing, it is _dreadfully_ confusing!
Thank goodness I've read the story already!
Are some of the earlier ways JRRT wrote these parts of the story less
confusing, or was this moving in and out of the story (with asides on
Men, Sindar and the Sun and Moon), already there in JRRT's earlier
texts, or was this mainly CRJT's editorial hand?
Christopher
--
---
Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 10
|
(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:44 am
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Having finished their two-hundred-year hand-holding extravaganza, Elwe
(or Thingol) and Melian carve themselves a domain. The text is a
little vague as to how they go about this, saying only that "the power
of Elwe and Melian increased.
This immediately struck me as a parallel with Sauron (albeit much later) -
each "invested" their power into another object (for Thingol and Melian, it
was the land itself, with Sauron it was a Ring) - in return for this
"permament" investiture, the owner's power is magnified!
or am I reaching?
chris hoelscher >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Oct 20, 2004 Posts: 19
|
(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:37 pm
Post subject: Re: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:13:52 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
<spamgard.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> posted the following:
>"Chris Kern" <chriskern99.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0l8622hm9r84rnoslal3rqe8tgssifn11j@4ax.com...
>> On 22 Mar 2006 20:57:41 -0800, "Count Menelvagor"
>> <Menelvagor.TakeThisOut@mailandnews.com> posted the following:
>>
>> >COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar
>> >
>> >Not a lot happens in this chapter, which mostly contents itself with
>> >giving a résumé of events and providing a background for later
>> >chapters. True, Melkor does return and the First Battle takes place,
>> >but these events are only summarised, not narrated or described. The
>> >narrator keeps events at arm's length, and the reader isn't really
>> >drawn in.
>>
>> I think the discrepancy in style comes from the fact that "Of the
>> Sindar" is a chapter that is never found in any text of QS that JRRT
>> wrote. It was a chapter made by CT cobbled together from various
>> other sources, mostly the Grey Annals.
>
>Hmm. So later, boring chapters, such as "Of Beleriand and its Realms"
>(OK, I'm joking, it's not that boring, but still...), can chapters like
>that be traced back to being more reliably based on some complete text
>that JRRT wrote?
Of Beleriand and its Realms is a complete chapter in the actual QS,
although Tolkien noted on one of the typescripts that it was
unecessary and could be omitted (apparently comments to some unknown
reader).
>Are some of the earlier ways JRRT wrote these parts of the story less
>confusing, or was this moving in and out of the story (with asides on
>Men, Sindar and the Sun and Moon), already there in JRRT's earlier
>texts, or was this mainly CRJT's editorial hand?
Unfortunately I think it is CT's editing. To me, the Grey Annals
reads very coherently and fluidly as a text -- it's only when you
cobble all the sources together into one text that you get all this
confusion and discrepancy of style.
-Chris
--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 06, 2005 Posts: 37
|
(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:08 am
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Chris Hoelscher wrote:
> This immediately struck me as a parallel with Sauron (albeit much later) -
> each "invested" their power into another object (for Thingol and Melian, it
> was the land itself, with Sauron it was a Ring) - in return for this
> "permament" investiture, the owner's power is magnified!
>
> or am I reaching?
interesting ... i'm reminded a bit of lothlorien, though that's maybe
not quite the same thing. >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 28, 2004 Posts: 238
|
(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
news:hz9Vf.41756$wl.22731@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
> Count Menelvagor <Menelvagor.TakeThisOut@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>
>> W3 PWN U 1AMERZ.
>
> LOL! You confused me immensely there! I recognised that this is
> some sort of slang, but searches for the phrase failed. I
> eventually worked out that W3 and U and lAMERZ are probably WE,
> YOU and LAMERS. PWN apparently is slang for "OWN". Leetspeak seems
> to be a way to describe some of these "slang ciphers".
>
> What on earth would Tolkien have made of these sorts of languages!
>
He was certainly well acquainted with usenet.
> This use of light/flame as a kind of metaphor, or even a literal
> representation of power, also reminds me of descriptions such as:
>
> - "...his spirit burned as a flame." (Feanor)
--
Cheers, ymt. >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 01, 2004 Posts: 323
|
(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:50 am
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 06, 2005 Posts: 37
|
(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Count Menelvagor <Menelvagor.DeleteThis@mailandnews.com> wrote:
> > tolkien's use of "own" in the cat passage used to
> > confuse me enormously; he seemed to be using it in the opposite toit's
> > actual meaning.
>
> So when did it stop confusing you? I think it still does confuse me!
some time early in the thrid age, i think.
> - "...the light of Aman was not yet dimmed in their eyes, and they were
> strong and swift, and deadly in anger..." (The Noldor givnig battle in
> the first wars of Beleriand)
this seems to me to be related to the verilyn flieger piece mentioned
below: the notion that the light from the blessed realm gradually dims
in middle-earth. and even the trees are a kind of dimming of the light
of the original lanterns that were torn down by morgoth. i'm also
thinking of the concept of "fading" found in LOTR and elswhere.
> > thanks for the link; very interesting! i'm also reminded of a book by
> > verlyn flieger, /splintered light/. her thesis, i think, was that
> > the hsitory of middle-earth is characterised by the fracturing and
> > diming of light.
>
> That is a fascinating concept. Have you read the book? I found it heavy
> going, and not quite what I was expecting, but I remember thinking that
> it was really good.
i've read it, but it was long ago and far away. it wasn't beach
reading by any means.
>
> > though feanor doesn't seem to have been any more
> > enlightened than the moriquendi, and in "quendi and eldar" the
> > relations among the different groups of elves getvery murky,with lots
> > of "he said/she said."
>
> I haven't read "quendi and eldar". How murky does it get? I've always
> thought that Eol would be what Feanor would have been like if he had
> been one of the Moriquendi.
well, the three elf-clans precedd the great march to valinor and went
back to the first awakening of the elves at cuivienen.
the nodlor claimed that most of the teleri were avari at heart, and did
not regret not making it to valinor. (WJ 380)
however, the first avari that the eldar met in beleriand were "tatyar"
(the 2nd clan, relatives of the noldor). they were hostile to their
noldorin kin, because of the bitterness of the tatyarin debate over
whether to go to valinor or not. this resentment "throws some light on
the temperament of the noldor in general, and feanor in particular."
in fact the teleri riposte to the claim above was that the noldor were
avari at heart "and returned to middle-earth when they realised their
mistake; they needed room to quarrel in. for in contrast the lindarin
[teleri; 3rd clan] elements in the western avari were friendly tothe
eldar, and willing to learn from them" (381). and apparently not only
learn, as they tended to merge with their eldarin kin.
elves could be a b*tchy lot. >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 28, 2004 Posts: 238
|
(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor.DeleteThis@mailandnews.com> wrote in
news:1143421754.523900.310420@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> well, the three elf-clans precedd the great march to valinor and
> went back to the first awakening of the elves at cuivienen.
>
> the nodlor claimed that most of the teleri were avari at heart,
> and did not regret not making it to valinor. (WJ 380)
>
> however, the first avari that the eldar met in beleriand were
> "tatyar" (the 2nd clan, relatives of the noldor). they were
> hostile to their noldorin kin, because of the bitterness of the
> tatyarin debate over whether to go to valinor or not. this
> resentment "throws some light on the temperament of the noldor in
> general, and feanor in particular." in fact the teleri riposte to
> the claim above was that the noldor were avari at heart "and
> returned to middle-earth when they realised their mistake; they
> needed room to quarrel in. for in contrast the lindarin [teleri;
> 3rd clan] elements in the western avari were friendly tothe eldar,
> and willing to learn from them" (381). and apparently not only
> learn, as they tended to merge with their eldarin kin.
>
> elves could be a b*tchy lot.
Elves were Greeks.
--
Cheers, ymt. >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 06, 2005 Posts: 37
|
(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Larry Swain wrote:
> Morgil wrote:
> > Yuk Tang wrote:
> >
> >> "Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor.DeleteThis@mailandnews.com> wrote in
> >> news:1143421754.523900.310420@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >
> >>> elves could be a b*tchy lot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Elves were Greeks.
> >
> >
> > No wonder Galadriel was bearing all those gifts.
> >
> > Morgil
>
> Nice, Morgil....very good!
timeo galadriellam et tildes ferentes.
(and i don't care that the meter is wrong.) >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Dec 31, 2004 Posts: 211
|
(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Jun 15, 2004 Posts: 480
|
(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Morgil wrote:
> Yuk Tang wrote:
>
>> "Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor.DeleteThis@mailandnews.com> wrote in
>> news:1143421754.523900.310420@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>> elves could be a b*tchy lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Elves were Greeks.
>
>
> No wonder Galadriel was bearing all those gifts.
>
> Morgil
Nice, Morgil....very good! >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
External

Since: Feb 02, 2004 Posts: 177
|
(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:55 am
Post subject: Re: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor DeleteThis @mailandnews.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1143519134.300294.252920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Larry Swain wrote:
> > Morgil wrote:
> > > Yuk Tang wrote:
> > >> "Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor DeleteThis @mailandnews.com> wrote in
> > >> news:1143421754.523900.310420@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> > >>> elves could be a b*tchy lot.
> > >> Elves were Greeks.
> > > No wonder Galadriel was bearing all those gifts.
> > > Morgil
> > Nice, Morgil....very good!
> timeo galadriellam et tildes ferentes.
> (and i don't care that the meter is wrong.)
Timeo Sauronum et anulos ferens?
Corvus. >> Stay informed about: COTW: Silmarillion, Chapter X. Of the Sindar |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |  |
| Related Topics: | COTW - Silmarillion Chapter 3 - SUMMARY In this chapter, several themes come to a head. The Firstborn of the Children of the Ilúvatar (the Elves) are due to awaken, which prompt a number of actions on the part of the Valar. First of all, Yavanna, who had many works despoiled by..
Silmarillion Chapter Discussion (CotW) - I'm trying to find out how many potential volunteers there are for the upcoming (OK, August is rather a long way away, but you can never start this sort of thing too early...) parasha-style chapter-of-the-week discussions of /The Silmarillion/ by J.R.R.....
CotW: LOTR, Book 5, Chapter 4: "The Siege of Gondor" - Apologies for the late post. Merry Christmas!!! "The Siege of Gondor" Summary This chapter is viewed largely from the perspective of Pippin. [1-2] He accompanies Gandalf to the Citadel to begin the payment o...
CotW: Book Vi, Chapter VIII, "The Houses of Healing&q.. - I hope this svmmary is all right. I had to reconstrvct the one I finished a covple of weeks ago, when my compvter ate it--I feel like I may have left some things ovt. (And I don't know if the special characte...
CotW:Book Vi, Chapter VIII, "The Houses of Healing&qu.. - (Sorry, I almost forgot to cross-post.) I hope this svmmary is all right. I had to reconstrvct the one I finished a covple of weeks ago, when my compvter ate it--I feel like I may have left some things ovt. ... |
|
You can post new topics in this forum You can reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|