Cable/Deadpool #10

"FabNic" <fabnic RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >
  >>
   >>> Hell, will it even last past the next arc?
  >>
  >>I think it's already been cancelled.
  >>
  >>
 >
 >
 > Considering I handed the script in to #13 this week and am working on #14
 > next
 > week, you would think wrong.
 >
 > We have a greenlight to #18 and then we'll see from there.
 >
 > Of course, if declared reader enjoyment and fun were the barometers, we'd
 > be
 > golden for a hundred issue run...
 >
 > -- fabian

I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong. I dig the book*. (Yes, I know. ME?
Liking something?) I thought I had seen dismal sales figures on this book
in a posting in this group; below other books that has gotten the ax.

Can you give us sales figures?

Anyone? Buller? Buller?




*Just please, never, never again show us Deadpool in Marvel Girl's costume.
I promise I'll buy two copies a month if you swear.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 18 Dec 2004 10:45:38 GMT, regenesis0 RemoveThis @aol.com (Derik Smith) wrote:

 > Looking back on the silver age I'd always scratch my head and think-
 >'bwah, they published THAT?' I never understood how the completely left-field
 >books survived as long as they did.
 > That was until I saw Spider-girl- an AU book about Spider-man's dead
 >daughter. Despite having the rest of its line canceled out from under it early
 >on- it looks like it will make it to 100.
 > That's when I realised that those crazy titles that by all logic shouldn't
 >have even been published- they survive just because they're GOOD.

Actually Spider-Girl has survived because Marvel desperately want to
be able to say that they have books marketed towards younger readers,
especially girls. Given that Spider-Girl is ridiculously continuity
heavy (mainly 90's Spider-Man continuity) I think it's a questionable
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regenesis0.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Derik Smith) wrote in
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 > Barring that, can we get Jubilee/Deadpool when it's over?

Yes, but it will be a mini, because Deadpool will end up gutting her in
the end. <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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  >> That's when I realised that those crazy titles that by all logic
 >shouldn't
  >>have even been published- they survive just because they're GOOD.
 >
 >Actually Spider-Girl has survived because Marvel desperately want to
 >be able to say that they have books marketed towards younger readers,
 >especially girls.

No, Araña has survived (sorta, it's still moving.) because Marvel
desperately wants to have a book aimed at young girls. But even the most
optimistic editorial edicts that 'this title is a hit' will wither if sales
continues to plummet.
Spider-girl his issue 81 this week. That ain't all editorial fial. I
grant you- Marvel wants post-child book they can point to, and that hasn't
hurt.. but the book is subsiding on its own merits.

And anyway- my point was that it's a book that, logically should never
have been made- ("Let's make an ongoing series out of the last issue of
What-If!") that's managed more issues than, say... New Warriors did.

 >Given that Spider-Girl is ridiculously continuity heavy (mainly 90's
 >Spider-Man continuity) I think it's a questionable assertion at best.

It's a questionable assertion that it's good? It's a questionable
assertion that it's an off-the-wall premise? It's a questionale assertion that
it's had a startlingly long run for such a premise?

What assertion were you questioning, and what does being continuity-heavy
have to do with it? (I'd also argue that it's not continuity-heavy, in that
elements of old continuity being used get a full-on introduction, as if they
were new characters- but that's ana rgument for another day.)

-Derik
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On 19 Dec 2004 03:41:51 GMT, regenesis0 RemoveThis @aol.com (Derik Smith) wrote:

   >>> That's when I realised that those crazy titles that by all logic
  >>shouldn't
   >>>have even been published- they survive just because they're GOOD.
  >>
  >>Actually Spider-Girl has survived because Marvel desperately want to
  >>be able to say that they have books marketed towards younger readers,
  >>especially girls.
 >
 > No, Araña has survived (sorta, it's still moving.) because Marvel
 >desperately wants to have a book aimed at young girls. But even the most
 >optimistic editorial edicts that 'this title is a hit' will wither if sales
 >continues to plummet.
 > Spider-girl his issue 81 this week. That ain't all editorial fial. I
 >grant you- Marvel wants post-child book they can point to, and that hasn't
 >hurt.. but the book is subsiding on its own merits.

It's been announced as cancelled at least once before, and sells worse
than several titles that have already been cancelled over the past
couple years. It's still around because it fits a particular marketing
niche, and because it's part of programs that target that same niche,
ie the Marvel Age initiative.

 > And anyway- my point was that it's a book that, logically should never
 >have been made- ("Let's make an ongoing series out of the last issue of
 >What-If!") that's managed more issues than, say... New Warriors did.

I'd say that a good deal of monthly comics should never have been
made, though that's more a factor of quality than concept.

  >>Given that Spider-Girl is ridiculously continuity heavy (mainly 90's
  >>Spider-Man continuity) I think it's a questionable assertion at best.
 >
 > It's a questionable assertion that it's good? It's a questionable
 >assertion that it's an off-the-wall premise? It's a questionale assertion that
 >it's had a startlingly long run for such a premise?

The assertion that it's a good title for young readers. Any title that
requires previous knowledge of decades of Spider-Man history and
convoluted stories like the Clone Saga can hardly be called
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Jeremy Henderson wrote:

   >>>Given that Spider-Girl is ridiculously continuity heavy (mainly 90's
   >>>Spider-Man continuity) I think it's a questionable assertion at best.
  >>
  >> It's a questionable assertion that it's good? It's a questionable
  >>assertion that it's an off-the-wall premise? It's a questionale assertion
 >that
  >>it's had a startlingly long run for such a premise?
 >
 >The assertion that it's a good title for young readers. Any title that
 >requires previous knowledge of decades of Spider-Man history and
 >convoluted stories like the Clone Saga can hardly be called
 >kid-friendly.

Oh, your questioning Marvel's assertions, not mine. That's alright
then...

As for being contiuity-heavy... *shrug* Lots of manga has lots and LOTS
of backstory, doesnt' seem to hurt it. And I think Marvel does better to
publish a GOOD book, regardless of how much backstory it has (especially when
SG does a good job of explaining it) than it's primary plan- to take the manga
market by store by publishing mediocre out-of-continuity reduxes of existing
stories.
(Quite aside you're never gonna suceed by watering down your material.)
Why aren't they just Manga-trading the seminal X-men runs?

oh, because that would cut into essentials\masterworks profits,
-Derik
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 >From: fabnic DeleteThis @aol.com

 >Considering I handed the script in to #13 this week and am working on #14
 >next
 >week, you would think wrong.
 >
 >We have a greenlight to #18 and then we'll see from there.
 >
 >Of course, if declared reader enjoyment and fun were the barometers, we'd be
 >golden for a hundred issue run...
 >

--Hey, I'll be there till the end, Fabian. I can't remember the last time you
wrote something I *didn't* like.

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 >From: Jeremy Henderson

 >Given that Spider-Girl is ridiculously continuity
 >heavy (mainly 90's Spider-Man continuity) I think it's a questionable
 >assertion at best.

--Spidergirl hasn't been really affected by Spiderman's continuity. Basically
it's an alternate universe/future book about the daughter of Spiderman.
There's no need to reference anything from the Clone Saga to understand
Spidergirl's book. Her title--after 80+ issues--has accumulated it's own share
of continuity, but I'd argue that it's not enough to bog down the book.

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tonyj1675.TakeThisOut@aol.com (TonyJ1675) wrote in
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 > --Hey, I'll be there till the end, Fabian. I can't remember the last
 > time you wrote something I *didn't* like.

Um...X-Force? Admittedly, he can't be doing much on that book, but his
name is in the credits. Trying to imagine that Fabian can be writing
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 >From: Dan McEwen

  >> --Hey, I'll be there till the end, Fabian. I can't remember the last
  >> time you wrote something I *didn't* like.
 >
 >Um...X-Force?

--I really can't see what influence Fabian has on that book. I know his name
is in the credits, but the dialogue doesn't seem like his typical handiwork.
Perhaps he's plotting.
In any event, I guess I don't consider that a book he *writes*. I was thinking
of books where Fabian was the sole writer.
The book that's at the top of my list of favorite Fabian fables is New Warriors
followed closely by Thunderbolts.

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TonyJ1675 wrote:

: Perhaps he's plotting.

Nobody's plotting X-FORCE.

Rob Liefeld has old artwork he drew years ago for aborted projects like CABLE:
FIRST CONTACT and WOLVERINE (not a joke: we know that, because many of the pages
we see in those issues now appeared in Rich Johnston's columns years ago.
Fabian Nicieza puts in some dialogue to give the illusion that what you're
looking at is a story.

What's not clear as of yet is who, if anyone, arranges the pages in the order
you see in the finished book.

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Marc-Oliver Frisch wrote:

 >Rob Liefeld has old artwork he drew years ago for aborted projects like
 >CABLE: FIRST CONTACT and WOLVERINE (not a joke: we know that,
 >because many of the pages we see in those issues now appeared in
 >Rich Johnston's columns years ago. Fabian Nicieza puts in some
 >dialogue to give the illusion that what you're looking at is a story.
 >
 >What's not clear as of yet is who, if anyone, arranges the pages in the order
 >you see in the finished book.

So- it's like Robotech?

-Derik
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the president?" - Neil Dawson
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Derik Smith <regenesis0 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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 > Marc-Oliver Frisch wrote:
 >
  > >Rob Liefeld has old artwork he drew years ago for aborted projects like
  > >CABLE: FIRST CONTACT and WOLVERINE (not a joke: we know that,
  > >because many of the pages we see in those issues now appeared in
  > >Rich Johnston's columns years ago. Fabian Nicieza puts in some
  > >dialogue to give the illusion that what you're looking at is a story.
  > >
  > >What's not clear as of yet is who, if anyone, arranges the pages in the
order
  > >you see in the finished book.
 >
 > So- it's like Robotech?

LOL!

Robotech's not quite so blatant about it, but you've pretty much pinpointed
why I only watch the Macross bit...

What's more irritating - Rob Liefeld's art, or Minmei's songs?

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