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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:34 am
Post subject: Cable's Messiah Complex
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Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like chess
pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's something like
creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more than intelligent
enough to realize that as long as there is free will, there will never
be true utopia amongst humanity (some will always choose the easy way).
In any case, there's a master plan at work, and I honestly thing that
Fabian's slow build could work up to a pretty big line wide
crossover--though we ain't talking anytime soon. I'd say if C/D could
last till issue 50 (we're golden till 36, IIRC), that might be a good
time for Cable to enact his plan.
I also am speculating that part of his plan might be manipulating the
X-Men for his own ends. Perhaps that's why he rejoins the team. It's
even possible that his plans call for Mystique and Sabretooth, thus
giving a reason for their presence on the team.
Of course, I could be wrong.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:13 am
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TonyJ1675 DeleteThis @aol.com wrote in
news:1138354479.648619.133270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
> Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
> level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like chess
> pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's something like
> creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more than intelligent
> enough to realize that as long as there is free will, there will never
> be true utopia amongst humanity (some will always choose the easy
> way).
Hmmm...not so sure he's against free will. I love Cable's utopian plans
(even if I think they're unworkable) but Cable's previous attempts have
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:28 pm
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> TonyJ1675.RemoveThis@aol.com wrote in
> news:1138354479.648619.133270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
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> > Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
> > Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
> > level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like chess
> > pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's something like
> > creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more than intelligent
> > enough to realize that as long as there is free will, there will never
> > be true utopia amongst humanity (some will always choose the easy
> > way).
>
> Hmmm...not so sure he's against free will. I love Cable's utopian plans
> (even if I think they're unworkable) but Cable's previous attempts have
> always involved choice.
--I guess my intent wasn't clear there. I didn't mean he was trying to
eliminate free will (as that wouldn't make him much better than En
Sabah Nur). I mean that he's likely not trying to create a utopia
*because* he knows that wouldn't be possible w/out eliminating free
will. People have to *want* to make the world better. They can't be
forced into it by someone.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:26 am
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TonyJ1675.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote in
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> Dan McEwen wrote:
>> TonyJ1675.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote in
>> news:1138354479.648619.133270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
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>> > Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
>> > Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
>> > level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like
>> > chess pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's
>> > something like creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more
>> > than intelligent enough to realize that as long as there is free
>> > will, there will never be true utopia amongst humanity (some will
>> > always choose the easy way).
>>
>> Hmmm...not so sure he's against free will. I love Cable's utopian
>> plans (even if I think they're unworkable) but Cable's previous
>> attempts have always involved choice.
>
> --I guess my intent wasn't clear there. I didn't mean he was trying
> to eliminate free will (as that wouldn't make him much better than En
> Sabah Nur). I mean that he's likely not trying to create a utopia
> *because* he knows that wouldn't be possible w/out eliminating free
> will. People have to *want* to make the world better. They can't be
> forced into it by someone.
Ah...re-reading the original with your later comments in mind makes it
quite clear. >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:26 pm
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Call me mr.cynical bastard but I think It's a realistic view. Then I am
a glass half-empty person, no hang on, make that a glass empty, broken
on the floor type of person!
Although the concept of what utopia is (and whether it is one depending
on your angle of view) has produced some interesting stories in comics
over the years, including the various X-franchises. But please Marvel,
no more visiting Days of Future Past or related timelines for a bit...
yes, I know I'm speaking in vain there. >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:17 am
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<TonyJ1675 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
> Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
> level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like chess
> pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's something like
> creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more than intelligent
> enough to realize that as long as there is free will, there will never
> be true utopia amongst humanity (some will always choose the easy way).
>
That's a dreadfully negative view of humanity, who says that, if utopia
exists, it won't be the easy way? Anyway, enough from me, I'm arguing enough
politics elsewhere.
D. >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:29 am
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Donnacha wrote:
> <TonyJ1675.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1138354479.648619.133270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Readers of Cable/Deadpool know that Nathan Christopher Charles
> > Askani-son Summers is up to something. He's scheming on a global
> > level, forging plans within plans, and manipulating people like chess
> > pieces for some sort of ultimate goal. I'd say it's something like
> > creating global harmony or a utopia, but he's more than intelligent
> > enough to realize that as long as there is free will, there will never
> > be true utopia amongst humanity (some will always choose the easy way).
> >
> That's a dreadfully negative view of humanity, who says that, if utopia
> exists, it won't be the easy way? Anyway, enough from me, I'm arguing enough
> politics elsewhere.
>
> D.
--I'd say it's a more realistic view of humanity. Looking back at the
whole of human history, conflict has been a constant. There's *always*
going to be someone who doesn't get along with someone else. Or there
will be something that someone covets and will try to obtain. Humans
*can* work together, but in my mind, a true utopia involves no violence
or conflict. How can that happen when violence and conflict are part
of human civilization?
Tony (who, btw doesn't think this is a political discussion) >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:23 am
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It''s not a political discussion either to my mind as we are merely
talking about generally observed facets of human nature. Or if we want
to confine it to comic book politics perhaps, in the MU alone you have
innumerable people who believe their rule would bring utopia. Dr. Doom
(who has done it and found utopia perhaps not challenging enough),
Magneto, The Red Skull (although he of course DOES reflect real world
politics, albeit in an exxagerated and reductionist sort of way), The
Mandarin etc. etc.
An utopian MU would actually be fairly monotonou and static to read
about, and since that is true, maybe that reflects some of the reasons
why utopia is so unlikely to occur in the real world. >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:55 pm
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marcusomurchu.TakeThisOut@Aol.com wrote:
> It''s not a political discussion either to my mind as we are merely
> talking about generally observed facets of human nature. Or if we want
> to confine it to comic book politics perhaps, in the MU alone you have
> innumerable people who believe their rule would bring utopia. Dr. Doom
> (who has done it and found utopia perhaps not challenging enough),
--and really that wasn't much of a utopia (except in his eyes), since
he had the whole world under his control (via the Purple Man).
> Magneto, The Red Skull (although he of course DOES reflect real world
> politics, albeit in an exxagerated and reductionist sort of way), The
> Mandarin etc. etc.
>
> An utopian MU would actually be fairly monotonou and static to read
> about, and since that is true, maybe that reflects some of the reasons
> why utopia is so unlikely to occur in the real world.
--I will say that as humanity now stands, a utopia is not possible.
But perhaps at some distant point in the future, if we transcend our
differences and take another evolutionary leap, a utopia might be
possible.
Tony (who suddenly sees a way that Cable's possible plans for a utopia
*could* work...) >> Stay informed about: Cable's Messiah Complex |
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