New Cable Series

"Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_lin.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> Will the new series be about Cable raising that mutant baby he
> kidnapped during Messiah Complex all by his lonesome?

It will involve the baby but I don't know that it's about the baby.
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"Dan McEwen" <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_lin DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> news:bdrmj.1984$so6.1324@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
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> > Will the new series be about Cable raising that mutant baby he
> > kidnapped during Messiah Complex all by his lonesome?
>
> It will involve the baby but I don't know that it's about the baby.

It seems like Sishop's going to be a bad guy in this series, and I think
that's an excellent place to take the character. He was never really going
to stand out as just another X-Man, but he has everything he needs to be an
effective villain. I'm interested to see where they take him now.

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"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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> "Dan McEwen" <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_lin.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>> news:bdrmj.1984$so6.1324@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
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>> > Will the new series be about Cable raising that mutant baby he
>> > kidnapped during Messiah Complex all by his lonesome?
>>
>> It will involve the baby but I don't know that it's about the baby.
>
> It seems like Sishop's going to be a bad guy in this series, and I
> think that's an excellent place to take the character. He was never
> really going to stand out as just another X-Man, but he has everything
> he needs to be an effective villain. I'm interested to see where they
> take him now.

What's more interesting is Bishop's motivation. They even acknowledge
that there are at least two timelines that hinge on what happens to the
baby. In one, we get Bishop's future, and the other leads to Cable's
future. I'm not sure either is especially good but at least Cable's
future is 2000 years away.

Incidentally, Cable has everything to be an effective villain, too. Had
the tables been reversed (Cable wanted her dead, Bishop alive) I have no
doubt he'd act similarly.
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Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
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> What's more interesting is Bishop's motivation. They even acknowledge
> that there are at least two timelines that hinge on what happens to
> the baby. In one, we get Bishop's future, and the other leads to
> Cable's future. I'm not sure either is especially good but at least
> Cable's future is 2000 years away.

Well, no one seems to want Bishop's future after seeing it. And even
the X-Factor contribution to Messiah Complex was to remind people that
Bishop's future was a really bad place for mutants.

> Incidentally, Cable has everything to be an effective villain, too.
> Had the tables been reversed (Cable wanted her dead, Bishop alive) I
> have no doubt he'd act similarly.

Evil Cable may bring back too many memories of Stryfe to be effective.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:16:03 -0000, Billy Bissette
<baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:

>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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>> What's more interesting is Bishop's motivation. They even acknowledge
>> that there are at least two timelines that hinge on what happens to
>> the baby. In one, we get Bishop's future, and the other leads to
>> Cable's future. I'm not sure either is especially good but at least
>> Cable's future is 2000 years away.
>
> Well, no one seems to want Bishop's future after seeing it. And even
>the X-Factor contribution to Messiah Complex was to remind people that
>Bishop's future was a really bad place for mutants.
>
>> Incidentally, Cable has everything to be an effective villain, too.
>> Had the tables been reversed (Cable wanted her dead, Bishop alive) I
>> have no doubt he'd act similarly.
>
> Evil Cable may bring back too many memories of Stryfe to be effective.

Agreed...Cable already had an evil twin...making him evil would just
be redundant.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:16:03 -0000, Billy Bissette
> <baines.RemoveThis@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:Xns9A31402D0FA34McEwen@130.133.1.4:
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>>> What's more interesting is Bishop's motivation. They even
>>> acknowledge that there are at least two timelines that hinge on what
>>> happens to the baby. In one, we get Bishop's future, and the other
>>> leads to Cable's future. I'm not sure either is especially good but
>>> at least Cable's future is 2000 years away.
>>
>> Well, no one seems to want Bishop's future after seeing it. And
>> even
>>the X-Factor contribution to Messiah Complex was to remind people that
>>Bishop's future was a really bad place for mutants.
>>
>>> Incidentally, Cable has everything to be an effective villain, too.
>>> Had the tables been reversed (Cable wanted her dead, Bishop alive) I
>>> have no doubt he'd act similarly.
>>
>> Evil Cable may bring back too many memories of Stryfe to be
>> effective.
>
> Agreed...Cable already had an evil twin...making him evil would just
> be redundant.

I never said evil, nor did I mean to imply it. I don't think Bishop is
evil, either, but he's now cast in the role of villain. Bishop has
sound reasons for wanting the baby dead. Unfortunately, the makes him a
villain. Evil, though? I'm not so sure.
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racerx139.TakeThisOut@lycos.com wrote in
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> Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this topic up. Bishop really got
> screwed in this storyline. This guy has a 20+ year history in the
> comic, numerous limited series and his own solo title as well as some
> one-shots and he's reduced to some crazed killer in Messiah Complex?
> At LEAST they could've given him a chance to explain why he was doing
> what he was doing instead they decided to sandbag him and have the guy
> try to KILL the X-Men with sentinels first? Whatever. Here's hoping
> that the Cable comic gives Bishop a chance to shine as a tragic hero -
> (and perhaps we'll see more of the future he fortells) - especially
> when you consider that Bishop's future is 80 years from now and Cable
> comes from 2,000 years. I'd say Bishop has a much greater
> justification for snapping this kid's neck than Cable does in saving
> her.

Are you sure? Cable takes the long view. Maybe the potential suffering
that takes place in 80 years is more than justified based on what
happens within the next 2000 years. We don't really have enough
information to make an informed decision but we do know that Cable is
willing to do whatever it takes to make the world better. You only have
to look at his deeds in Cable/Deadpool to understand.
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:49:36 -0800, ~consul
<consul DeleteThis @dolphins-coveINVALID.com> wrote:

>and thus Kenneth M. Lin inscribed ...
>> Will the new series be about Cable raising that mutant baby he kidnapped
>> during Messiah Complex all by his lonesome?
>> Let's call it "One and a Half Men." Or "Pacifier."
>
>Lone Techno and Widget.

Although if it *were* the Ultimate X-Men, they could call it "Lone
Wolverine and Cub."

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On 25 Mar 2008 14:44:32 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
haracter is getting screwed big time.
>>
>>You're right on all counts. Bishop could be shown as an anti-hero but
>>instead he's being written as a villain.
>
> Just wait for it...eventually, the creative "winds" will change and
> Bishop will be back to being a hero again...and his turn on the dark
> side will probably be completely ignored...I'm looking forward to the
> same thing happening to Quicksilver (it's not like it would be the
> first time).

It's actually hard to reconcile the guy from District X with the guy
currently appearing in Cable. They're not the same character.

Quicksilver will probably revert as soon as he gets his powers back.
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On 26 Mar 2008 11:31:01 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On 25 Mar 2008 14:44:32 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>haracter is getting screwed big time.
>>>
>>>You're right on all counts. Bishop could be shown as an anti-hero but
>>>instead he's being written as a villain.
>>
>> Just wait for it...eventually, the creative "winds" will change and
>> Bishop will be back to being a hero again...and his turn on the dark
>> side will probably be completely ignored...I'm looking forward to the
>> same thing happening to Quicksilver (it's not like it would be the
>> first time).
>
>It's actually hard to reconcile the guy from District X with the guy
>currently appearing in Cable. They're not the same character.

True...of course, the District X version doesn't really fit with
previous versions of the character either...at least not from before
Claremont got ahold of him.

>
>Quicksilver will probably revert as soon as he gets his powers back.

One can only hope.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On 26 Mar 2008 11:31:01 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>It's actually hard to reconcile the guy from District X with the guy
>>currently appearing in Cable. They're not the same character.
>
> True...of course, the District X version doesn't really fit with
> previous versions of the character either...at least not from before
> Claremont got ahold of him.

Yeah, he was better. I think the idea was the Bishop was a cop
and, as long as he was working for the NYPD, he would act like a cop. A
real cop, too, not the bounty hunter he was originally presented as.
(Not literally a bounty hunter, but that's what he seemed to be like.)

>>Quicksilver will probably revert as soon as he gets his powers back.
>
> One can only hope.

It's funny how neither of us have any doubt that Quicksilver will get
his powers back. Over in Avengers: The Initiatve, one of the characters
was revealed to have once been a mutant. She just got her powers back.
Decimation is unravelling by the second.
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:37:44 +0000, Dan McEwen wrote:

> grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On 26 Mar 2008 11:31:01 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>It's actually hard to reconcile the guy from District X with the guy
>>>currently appearing in Cable. They're not the same character.
>>
>> True...of course, the District X version doesn't really fit with
>> previous versions of the character either...at least not from before
>> Claremont got ahold of him.
>
> Yeah, he was better. I think the idea was the Bishop was a cop and,
> as long as he was working for the NYPD, he would act like a cop. A real
> cop, too, not the bounty hunter he was originally presented as. (Not
> literally a bounty hunter, but that's what he seemed to be like.)

I liked him best as a cop.

>>>Quicksilver will probably revert as soon as he gets his powers back.
>>
>> One can only hope.
>
> It's funny how neither of us have any doubt that Quicksilver will get his
> powers back. Over in Avengers: The Initiatve, one of the characters was
> revealed to have once been a mutant. She just got her powers back.
> Decimation is unravelling by the second.

It can't unwind fast enough for me. I can't wait until Dani gets her
powers back after all that work she did learning to master them.
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On 27 Mar 2008 22:37:44 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On 26 Mar 2008 11:31:01 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>It's actually hard to reconcile the guy from District X with the guy
>>>currently appearing in Cable. They're not the same character.
>>
>> True...of course, the District X version doesn't really fit with
>> previous versions of the character either...at least not from before
>> Claremont got ahold of him.
>
>Yeah, he was better. I think the idea was the Bishop was a cop
>and, as long as he was working for the NYPD, he would act like a cop. A
>real cop, too, not the bounty hunter he was originally presented as.
>(Not literally a bounty hunter, but that's what he seemed to be like.)

Don't get me wrong...I thought the District X characterization was the
best Bishop ever saw...these character "shifts" (for lack of a better
term) aren't always a bad thing...just usually.

>
>>>Quicksilver will probably revert as soon as he gets his powers back.
>>
>> One can only hope.
>
>It's funny how neither of us have any doubt that Quicksilver will get
>his powers back. Over in Avengers: The Initiatve, one of the characters
>was revealed to have once been a mutant. She just got her powers back.
>Decimation is unravelling by the second.

Decimation started unravelling like the month after it started...when
it was shown that Iceman didn't actually lose his powers after
all...then Polaris got hers back...then Xavier...and so on...I'd say
Quicksilver, Magneto, and Scarlet Witch are now the only ones left
that are guaranteed to get their powers back...others are certainly
possible but these are innevitable.
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