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grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On 31 Mar 2008 10:43:25 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
>
> Only a couple of times that I can recall...of course, issues of that
> book are so few and far between that it could happen in every issue
> and it would still seem like it hardly ever happened.

No argument there. We'll see was Ellis does.
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:35:22 -0500, Billy Bissette
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>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9A72438FF9E96McEwen@
>130.133.1.4:
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>> grinningdemon <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:23:23 +0100, "Donnacha"
>>> <donnacha.delongNOSPAM.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> On 30 Mar 2008 07:41:40 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously though, Angel's secondary mutation has gone the way of
>>>>> most of the others (aside from Beast)...it is rarely mentioned
>>>>> and/or seen and, therefore, easily ignored.
>>>>
>>>>The Morrison one are still around - Beast, Emma Frost.
>>
>>> You rarely see or hear about Emma's either...it does come up once in a
>>> while but, most of the time, it's ignored...and the only reason
>>> Beast's has stuck is that it can't be turned on and off...they'd have
>>> to have a story explaining why he doesn't look that way anymore.
>>
>> Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
>
> It recently got mention in Uncanny, as well. When Emma and Scott
>were in the Savage Land, she mentioned being the only person that
>could look at Scott's eyes, because she could turn her own to
>diamond.

As I said, it comes up occasionally...but not often.
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> On 31 Mar 2008 17:24:24 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>My understanding was that Sage used one of her pull-it-out-of-my-ass
>>powers that Claremont likes to introduce. It was something along the
>>lines of having to jumpstart his powers to save his life.
>
> It's been a while since I read it so it's possible...but, if it did
> happen that way, I think it was a kind of after-the-fact explanation
> to cover what Morrison was already doing with Beast in New
> X-Men...which I actually prefer to no explanation at all.

I don't know. You have to weigh "having an explanation" against
"Sage's computer-mind magically has a new power".

Not that Claremont wouldn't give her other magical new abilities
if that scene hadn't been written...
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:35:22 -0500, Billy Bissette
> <baines.DeleteThis@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9A72438FF9E96McEwen@
>>130.133.1.4:

>>> Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
>>
>> It recently got mention in Uncanny, as well. When Emma and Scott
>>were in the Savage Land, she mentioned being the only person that
>>could look at Scott's eyes, because she could turn her own to
>>diamond.
>
> As I said, it comes up occasionally...but not often.

It hasn't really had a place to come up. Emma arguably hasn't
been that active of late.

She was part of the Astonishing team, which would be the main
place for her to be active. But Astonishing ran so slow that not
much happened over the years.

In New (kids) X-Men, she was an authority figure, while the kids
were the active combatants.

Messiah Complex was heavy with physical combatants and light on
telepathic powers, so Emma was an obvious choice for telepathic
support. (I can't remember if she used diamond form in the
battle where Mystique turned on them and shot Rogue.)
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:34:06 -0500, Billy Bissette
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On 31 Mar 2008 17:24:24 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>My understanding was that Sage used one of her pull-it-out-of-my-ass
>>>powers that Claremont likes to introduce. It was something along the
>>>lines of having to jumpstart his powers to save his life.
>>
>> It's been a while since I read it so it's possible...but, if it did
>> happen that way, I think it was a kind of after-the-fact explanation
>> to cover what Morrison was already doing with Beast in New
>> X-Men...which I actually prefer to no explanation at all.
>
> I don't know. You have to weigh "having an explanation" against
>"Sage's computer-mind magically has a new power".
>
> Not that Claremont wouldn't give her other magical new abilities
>if that scene hadn't been written...

Well...that's Sage's power...the power of plot device...at least she
actually serves to move the stories forward unlike, say, Aunt May in
Spiderman who only exists to be a constant burden on Peter Parker and
rarely contributes anything to the story beyond that.
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:49:07 -0500, Billy Bissette
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:35:22 -0500, Billy Bissette
>> <baines.RemoveThis@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9A72438FF9E96McEwen@
>>>130.133.1.4:
>
>>>> Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
>>>
>>> It recently got mention in Uncanny, as well. When Emma and Scott
>>>were in the Savage Land, she mentioned being the only person that
>>>could look at Scott's eyes, because she could turn her own to
>>>diamond.
>>
>> As I said, it comes up occasionally...but not often.
>
> It hasn't really had a place to come up. Emma arguably hasn't
>been that active of late.

So? All that means is that Morrison's secondary mutation for her
doesn't suit her character...which makes it even more difficult to
make use of her diamond form...it doesn't change the fact it rarely
comes up...there are just different reasons why it rarely comes up.

>
> She was part of the Astonishing team, which would be the main
>place for her to be active. But Astonishing ran so slow that not
>much happened over the years.
>
> In New (kids) X-Men, she was an authority figure, while the kids
>were the active combatants.
>
> Messiah Complex was heavy with physical combatants and light on
>telepathic powers, so Emma was an obvious choice for telepathic
>support. (I can't remember if she used diamond form in the
>battle where Mystique turned on them and shot Rogue.)

Emma is probably the most popular X-Man (next to the always
over-exposed Wolverine) at the moment...she and Cyclops appear all
over the place...if they can't find a way to use her other power then
that just proves how out of place it is...like most of the secindary
mutations.
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Billy Bissette <baines.RemoveThis@coastalnet.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9A72878AE15E3McEwen@ 130.133.1.4:

>> My understanding was that Sage used one of her pull-it-out-of-my-ass
>> powers that Claremont likes to introduce. It was something along the
>> lines of having to jumpstart his powers to save his life.
>
> Claremont wrote the scene, and it was a pull-it-out-of-my-ass Sage
> power that did it, but it was to get Beast in line with Morrison's
> version. Wasn't Morrison's version already in print at the time?

Don't know because XX was on my "don't read" list.
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On 1 Apr 2008 04:49:43 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Billy Bissette <baines.RemoveThis@coastalnet.com> wrote in
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>> Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9A72878AE15E3McEwen@ 130.133.1.4:
>
>>> My understanding was that Sage used one of her pull-it-out-of-my-ass
>>> powers that Claremont likes to introduce. It was something along the
>>> lines of having to jumpstart his powers to save his life.
>>
>> Claremont wrote the scene, and it was a pull-it-out-of-my-ass Sage
>> power that did it, but it was to get Beast in line with Morrison's
>> version. Wasn't Morrison's version already in print at the time?
>
>Don't know because XX was on my "don't read" list.

You skipped X-Treme but you read Austen's Uncanny? Say what you want
about Claremont these days but I'd still place his worst story above
Austen's best...of course, I can't actually think of one that deserves
to be anyone's best.

I know it seems like I'm really hating on Chuck Austen (and I am) but
that run just REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.
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~consul <consul.TakeThisOut@dolphins-coveINVALID.com> wrote in
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> and thus grinningdemon inscribed ...
>> On 31 Mar 2008 10:42:39 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>> Nightcrawler wasn't a real demon under Austen. However sucky that
>>> run was, it never included that thing. Also, the She-Hulk book
>>> dealt with
>> Didn't he have Nightcrawler's dad turn out to be Belasco so some such
>> bullshit? I only read it the one time as it came out so I may have
>
> Maybe you are thinking of Universe X where due to timetravel,
> Nightcrawler became Belasco. Austen had Nightcrawler from an alternate
> dimension, but not necessarily demons.

Nightcrawler is from this dimension, born on Earth in Germany. I think
his father was also from Earth but trapped in another dimension.
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> ~consul <consul.TakeThisOut@dolphins-coveINVALID.com> wrote in
>> and thus grinningdemon inscribed ...
>>> Didn't he have Nightcrawler's dad turn out to be Belasco so some such
>>> bullshit? I only read it the one time as it came out so I may have
>> Maybe you are thinking of Universe X where due to timetravel,
>> Nightcrawler became Belasco. Austen had Nightcrawler from an alternate
>> dimension, but not necessarily demons.
> Nightcrawler is from this dimension, born on Earth in Germany. I think
> his father was also from Earth but trapped in another dimension.

Yeah, that's what I meant. The dad.
--
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:34:06 -0500, Billy Bissette
> <baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know. You have to weigh "having an explanation" against
>>"Sage's computer-mind magically has a new power".
>>
>> Not that Claremont wouldn't give her other magical new abilities
>>if that scene hadn't been written...
>
> Well...that's Sage's power...the power of plot device...at least she
> actually serves to move the stories forward unlike, say, Aunt May in
> Spiderman who only exists to be a constant burden on Peter Parker and
> rarely contributes anything to the story beyond that.

Not just Sage's power, but anyone who is currently a pet character
for Claremont. Though Sage is better built for it than most others.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:49:07 -0500, Billy Bissette
> <baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:35:22 -0500, Billy Bissette
>>> <baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>>>Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:Xns9A72438FF9E96McEwen@ 130.133.1.4:
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>>>>> Didn't Emma use her diamond form quite a lot in Astonishing?
>>>>
>>>> It recently got mention in Uncanny, as well. When Emma and Scott
>>>>were in the Savage Land, she mentioned being the only person that
>>>>could look at Scott's eyes, because she could turn her own to
>>>>diamond.
>>>
>>> As I said, it comes up occasionally...but not often.
>>
>> It hasn't really had a place to come up. Emma arguably hasn't
>>been that active of late.
>
> So? All that means is that Morrison's secondary mutation for her
> doesn't suit her character...which makes it even more difficult to
> make use of her diamond form...it doesn't change the fact it rarely
> comes up...there are just different reasons why it rarely comes up.

It does suit her character.

Emotionally, it ties with the idea of her being hard, sharp, and
dangerous. Power-wise, it is a defense system both physically and
mentally.

Morrison used it more by having her pushed to a more aggressive
point, which also worked with her now being on an active team of
good guys in a world where you bash people over the head to bring
them to justice, because mind-controlling them just doesn't look
as visually appealing.


Except now she has fallen back to just being a supporting role.
She wasn't even a leader in New (kids) X-Men, despite being the
main and often only authority figure of the book.

Put her back in the middle of a small active team, and she'd
have more use for diamond form again. She's no longer really
"active", even when she is present. She's part of Uncanny, where
she's been on vacation and now doing a stint as a detective,
while Scott decides what kind of team they will even be. She's
not even a factor in X-Force, beyond apparently being the one
person that Scott most wants to hide X-Force from. I don't know
what status she might have in Young, but if it is any, then it
will likely be pretty much the same as it was in the previous
book.
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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> Yeah, but that scene only happened because Morrison wanted to use
> Beast in his run (after Claremont had blocked out a good year's worth
> of Beast-centric arcs for X-Treme).

According to Claremont, he had blocked out a year's worth of Beast-
centric arcs.

Claremont said the same thing about Storm when he lost her. He's
probably said it about other characters as well.
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