Camber and Furstan both preserved??

I've been rereading again

In KKB there's a very detailed description of Furstan's tomb, which shares
a detail with a Codex entry that mentions it:

"...encased in a framework of fretted silver inlaid with bits of onyx...
tracery as fine and fragile as a spider's web..."

This hit me, on re-reading, as very similar to the idea of the nets
studded with shiral crystals laid over Orin and Jodotha (and later over
Camber). Is the first Furstan also in a sort of limbo and able to move
between the worlds?

And maybe further:
Do empowering rituals require, at their heart, a "donor" or patron to
maintain them? I haven't yet reread the original empowerment of Cinhil,
but there are frequent references to what specific powers the Haldanes
have, and talk of them being a "package." That package, IIRC, was chosen
by Camber and his family as the skills/powers they wanted to impart. If
Camber had been *truly* dead at the empowering of any of Cinhil's
descendants, would it have been possible to empower them at all? Or would
a new ritual and set of skills have had to be devised by some other Deryni
master?

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 > And maybe further:
 > Do empowering rituals require, at their heart, a "donor" or patron to
 > maintain them? I haven't yet reread the original empowerment of Cinhil,
 > but there are frequent references to what specific powers the Haldanes
 > have, and talk of them being a "package." That package, IIRC, was chosen
 > by Camber and his family as the skills/powers they wanted to impart. If
 > Camber had been *truly* dead at the empowering of any of Cinhil's
 > descendants, would it have been possible to empower them at all? Or would
 > a new ritual and set of skills have had to be devised by some other Deryni
 > master?

I think the examples of Javan and Conal suggest that anyone with the
potential can express it, given the proper stimulus. Also it is not
religion-specific, but it requires a strong inner focus that is more
easily achieved in a religious context. Analogous to a mother finding
superhuman strength emporarily to save a child.

I think Camber et filia set limits to what could be expressed rather
than giving spells. although they might not have thought of it that
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