R.I.P. Charismatic Movement?

On Oct 4, 9:48 pm, Steve Hayes <hayes... DeleteThis @telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:19:05 -0700, "darylg...@aol.com" <darylg... DeleteThis @aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In his blog Steve Hayes implies that the Charismatic Christian
> >movement played out and that it is not the force it once was. Am I
> >simply deluded because of my association with a Charismatic church or
> >is Steve missing something. It seems to me that more and more churches
> >are exhibiting a Charismatic side (including the RC) and that this
> >approach is expanding globally. Perhaps I need a dose of reality,
> >what do other posters think?
>
> I was interested to see if anyone else responded, but it appears that this
> newsgroup has gone as dead as alt.books.inklings
>
> In any case, I'm not sure that this is the place to discuss that -- my blog
> post did indeed mention Lewis, but that point was a bit removed from it.
>
> And I thought you were SDA -- does that mean the charismatic movement is
> flourishing there?
>
> --
> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa

Moi? SDI? nope, I had attended the Vineyard Christian Fellowship
until just moving, which is varyingly charismatic, (one of the early
"Jesus freak" groups that mellowed out). Now I am attending a rather
large independent church called "Mariner's". This one is not really
charismatic, but more of a comprimise with my fiancee who is used to
more sedate Presbyterian services. http://www.marinerschurch.org/
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>
> I was interested to see if anyone else responded, but it appears that this
> newsgroup has gone as dead as alt.books.inklings
>
> --
> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
> Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
> Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
> E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk


Steve, it is not dead, but only sleepeth

Daryl
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:03:59 -0700, "darylgene@aol.com" <darylgene.RemoveThis@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 4, 9:48 pm, Steve Hayes <hayes....RemoveThis@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:19:05 -0700, "darylg...@aol.com" <darylg....RemoveThis@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In his blog Steve Hayes implies that the Charismatic Christian
>> >movement played out and that it is not the force it once was. Am I
>> >simply deluded because of my association with a Charismatic church or
>> >is Steve missing something. It seems to me that more and more churches
>> >are exhibiting a Charismatic side (including the RC) and that this
>> >approach is expanding globally. Perhaps I need a dose of reality,
>> >what do other posters think?
>>
>> I was interested to see if anyone else responded, but it appears that this
>> newsgroup has gone as dead as alt.books.inklings
>>
>> In any case, I'm not sure that this is the place to discuss that -- my blog
>> post did indeed mention Lewis, but that point was a bit removed from it.
>>
>> And I thought you were SDA -- does that mean the charismatic movement is
>> flourishing there?

>Moi? SDI? nope, I had attended the Vineyard Christian Fellowship
>until just moving, which is varyingly charismatic, (one of the early
>"Jesus freak" groups that mellowed out). Now I am attending a rather
>large independent church called "Mariner's". This one is not really
>charismatic, but more of a comprimise with my fiancee who is used to
>more sedate Presbyterian services. http://www.marinerschurch.org/

I must have been confusing you with someone else who also used to post here at
one time.

I'd like to discuss the origins of Vineyard with you, but I don't think
alt.books.cs-lewis is the best place to do so. It's veering off topic.

I'm thinking of writing a book on the charismatic movement in South Africa,
and while Vineyard is not central to the subject it does play a part.

On another newsgroup (soc.religion.christian) something has come up that seems
to connect with your response: an obituary of D. James Kennedy (a
Presbyterian) said that he was a member of the "religious right". I was
surprised at this, because Kennedy was well-known all over the world as the
developer of the Evangelism Explosion method of training evangelists, and
there was nothing in the EE materials to suggest a connection with right-wing
politics.

After discussion in s.r.c. I got the impression that Kennedy may have got
involved in the "religious right" in the mid-late 1980s, and that the
religious right arose in the same period that the charismatic movement was
afflicted by the neo-scholasticism that I mentioned in my blog post.

So I have a hypothesis I would like to test -- was the neo-scholasticism
linked to the rise of the "religious right"?

I don't know how much either phenomenon affected Vineyard, but perhaps you can
help me there.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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In article <me3eg3ti4oa7nnql24v9m2vmslj4j0g6tm.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On another newsgroup (soc.religion.christian) something
>has come up that seems to connect with your response: an
>obituary of D. James Kennedy (a Presbyterian) said that he
>was a member of the "religious right". I was surprised at
>this, because Kennedy was well-known all over the world
>as the developer of the Evangelism Explosion method of
>training evangelists, and there was nothing in the EE
>materials to suggest a connection with right-wing politics.

There are several issues involved here. First, no mainstream
news organization that I have ever encountered displays even
minimal competence, fairness, tolerance, or basic honesty in
their reporting on religious matters.

They conflate "Religious Right" with anyone who believes
what Lewis wrote about in "Mere Christianity", with or
without any politics.

(They can't quite figure out what to make of Jim Wallis or
Tony Campolo, so they mostly ignore them.)

They tend to have "Child of the 60s" attitudes about moral
issues, and consider anyone who disagrees to be far-right
Taliban wanna-bees attempting to impose a theocracy.

I'm not familiar with Dr. Kennedy's political opinions,
but it's hardly surprising that he wouldn't see any
reason to argue politics in a purely religious book on
evangelism. What little "political" I recall from him is
along "traditional morality" lines, any slightest whiff
of which will get you labled as a jackbooted Fascist in
Hollywood/New York circles.

(Not that there aren't some unpleasant people on the right,
too. Don't get me started on Pat Robertson.)

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