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Mary Alice Kropp wrote:
> And yet one more thing I forgot that was very intriguing. Those "primitive
> shields that Kenneth had not known he possessed." Now there's something I
> did not expect, much like Jamyl. Does this intimate that Kenneth has some
> Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
> unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin? And, of course, it
> begs the question: Did Jamyl tell the Council? And/or Denis? Hmmmmm.....
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> -Mak
> http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano
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> http://www.chilicats.com
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> I have flying monkeys... and I am NOT afraid to use them!

Your right I forgot about those. Thought that was interesting. Guess
we will have to wait and see if Jamyl thinks it is worth mentioning.

Does this mean maybe that Kenneth could be empowered like the
Haldanes.

Does this make Morgan 51% Deryni instead of just the lowly half-breed
he is.

jerry
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On Jan 2, 2:19 pm, "Mary Alice Kropp" <journey... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> And yet one more thing I forgot that was very intriguing. Those "primitive
> shields that Kenneth had not known he possessed." Now there's something I
> did not expect, much like Jamyl. Does this intimate that Kenneth has some
> Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
> unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin?

where exactly did Derry come from? is he related to the Morgans? his
name is a good Irish one but it certainly teases. For that matter
where did 'deryni' come from? It could mean 'resident of Derry' in one
sense?
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:48:05 GMT, "Mary Alice Kropp"
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>more than ever. It is possible that there was some sort of direct psychic
>link between Se and Alyce, but that doesn't explain how he got around so
>darned quickly. Yeah, Portals and all, but he sure had a knack for showing
>up just at the right moment. And with the comparative slowness of
>communication at that time period, particularly in winter, it is just
>intriguing to think about how he knew so much so quickly.

That was *my* wondering, too. Unless he (and/or the Anvillers) have
some way of telepathy-at-a-distance, it could be a plot hole. But we
KNEW that SOMEONE had to help save Brion at this point.

>I kept reading things that filled in background or hinted at or in some few
>cases, actually explained some things from "later" stories, and finding
>myself thinking "Hmmmmm" or "Now, *that's* interesting." Things like
>finding a bit more about Rhydon (as jerry mentioned), the hints at Lewys ap
>Norfal and the possible continuation of his experiments, a bit of Wencit
>(and finding out that it appears, at least by reputation, he was always a
>rotten fellow!), things like that.

Camille was a real bitch (and unnecessarily so, imho), but definitely
power has gone to her head, and certainly arrogant (that she should be
questioned! Well, I never!...<grin>)
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>ITKS, I still have a hard time liking the man. Really, after all that
>happened in ITKS and earlier in this one, I just think he MIGHT have talked
>to Kenneth and Alyce about Alaric's Naming ceremony and his preferred choice
>for a Name. I think both parents would have agreed that Airleas was a
>perfect choice (tho I would like to have known what Alyce originally planned
>to use), and, I think, would have gone along with whatever Donal ended up
>doing when he barged in on them. I know- he's the King and used to getting
>his way and not necessarily asking permission and all that, but you would
>think that after all that had gone on between he and Alyce and Kenneth, he
>would have had the decency to at least ask. All in all, I'm still stuck
>with the feeling that, of all the Haldane kings we have come to know in some
>way well, the only one I really like is Kelson.

He WAS more human (in a manner of speaking...) in this book, but I
suppose it's because RHIP and he IS king, but he came across several
times as brusque overly demanding of especially Alyce. Though, I
suppose he thought had reason to. It, of course fits very well with
the picture we got of him, too in ITKS, but I DID like him better in
CM.

I withhold judgment on Brion. We don't know enough about him right
now, but he seems to have the presence his father had plus (at least
right now) a more human approach. Certainly very good at diplomacy.
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>develops in the next book. Maybe there will be two Haldane kings I end up
>liking a bit!
See my comment above. One can certainly hope!
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>for the more cohesive storyline and some real development rather than simply
>sketching in background, as I felt with ITKS. Maybe a tad too much Alaric
>for my taste (ok, you *KNOW* I HAD to say that!!! LOL). Tho, I must admit
>that when he put the feathers under Mummy's shoulders and gave her Lady
>Whiskers "to remember me" at her casket, even I had to admit the kid got to
>me.....

MAK, I think he got to a lot of us with that move. (Since she's with
the angels, she needs wings...)

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Wes Struebing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:19:17 GMT, "Mary Alice Kropp"
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>Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
>unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin? And, of course, it
>begs the question: Did Jamyl tell the Council? And/or Denis? Hmmmmm.....
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I got the impression tat he is/was (will be?) more like Derry. I
wonder, too, how much of that has to do with close, nay, intimate
contact with a Deryni. That it may be "latent" in all humans, but it
takes some trigger (or long association). Interesting issue, that!

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Wes Struebing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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Definitely in agreement with the Anvillers- I am most curious about them now
more than ever. It is possible that there was some sort of direct psychic
link between Se and Alyce, but that doesn't explain how he got around so
darned quickly. Yeah, Portals and all, but he sure had a knack for showing
up just at the right moment. And with the comparative slowness of
communication at that time period, particularly in winter, it is just
intriguing to think about how he knew so much so quickly.

I kept reading things that filled in background or hinted at or in some few
cases, actually explained some things from "later" stories, and finding
myself thinking "Hmmmmm" or "Now, *that's* interesting." Things like
finding a bit more about Rhydon (as jerry mentioned), the hints at Lewys ap
Norfal and the possible continuation of his experiments, a bit of Wencit
(and finding out that it appears, at least by reputation, he was always a
rotten fellow!), things like that.

Donal- While he did come across a bit more sympathetic in this book than
ITKS, I still have a hard time liking the man. Really, after all that
happened in ITKS and earlier in this one, I just think he MIGHT have talked
to Kenneth and Alyce about Alaric's Naming ceremony and his preferred choice
for a Name. I think both parents would have agreed that Airleas was a
perfect choice (tho I would like to have known what Alyce originally planned
to use), and, I think, would have gone along with whatever Donal ended up
doing when he barged in on them. I know- he's the King and used to getting
his way and not necessarily asking permission and all that, but you would
think that after all that had gone on between he and Alyce and Kenneth, he
would have had the decency to at least ask. All in all, I'm still stuck
with the feeling that, of all the Haldane kings we have come to know in some
way well, the only one I really like is Kelson.

I, too, liked seeing more of Brion. It will be interesting to see how he
develops in the next book. Maybe there will be two Haldane kings I end up
liking a bit!

All in all, I thought it was a good book. Yes, better than ITKS- if only
for the more cohesive storyline and some real development rather than simply
sketching in background, as I felt with ITKS. Maybe a tad too much Alaric
for my taste (ok, you *KNOW* I HAD to say that!!! LOL). Tho, I must admit
that when he put the feathers under Mummy's shoulders and gave her Lady
Whiskers "to remember me" at her casket, even I had to admit the kid got to
me.....


-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano

http://www.chilicats.com


I have flying monkeys... and I am NOT afraid to use them!
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> the books are called Childe Morgan, not Childe Arilan in case you
> forgot

How could I forget?? Every other word, "Alaric this," "Alaric that"...


-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano

http://www.chilicats.com


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And yet one more thing I forgot that was very intriguing. Those "primitive
shields that Kenneth had not known he possessed." Now there's something I
did not expect, much like Jamyl. Does this intimate that Kenneth has some
Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin? And, of course, it
begs the question: Did Jamyl tell the Council? And/or Denis? Hmmmmm.....

-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano

http://www.chilicats.com


I have flying monkeys... and I am NOT afraid to use them!
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Yeah, it makes me wonder, too. But the implication has always been that the
CC believes Morgan to be the son of a completely human father. Which would
also imply that either Jamyl did not think it necessary to report the
shields (which I rather doubt as it seems like a rather non-trivial
discovery) or that whoever he told ( presumably Siesyll) decided not to
tell the rest of the CC for some reason.

And, heavens, Morgan not just a lowly half-breed???? What would Vivienne
think!! <EG>

-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano

http://www.chilicats.com


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On Jan 2, 7:35 pm, "tenworld" <t... DeleteThis @world.std.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2:19 pm, "Mary Alice Kropp" <journey... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > And yet one more thing I forgot that was very intriguing. Those "primitive
> > shields that Kenneth had not known he possessed." Now there's something I
> > did not expect, much like Jamyl. Does this intimate that Kenneth has some
> > Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
> > unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin? where exactly did Derry come from? is he related to the Morgans? his
> name is a good Irish one but it certainly teases. For that matter
> where did 'deryni' come from? It could mean 'resident of Derry' in one
> sense?

>From this book it appears that the Derry's are a vassal of either the
Dukes of Corwyn or the Earls of Lendour- don't have the book in front
of me at the moment. Believe we saw Sean's grandfather (?) in CM. From
the books Derry is completely human so I wouldn't think that there are
any blood ties to the Corwyn's or if they are they are way way back.

jerry
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Mary Alice Kropp wrote:
> > the books are called Childe Morgan, not Childe Arilan in case you
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> How could I forget?? Every other word, "Alaric this," "Alaric that"...
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> -Mak
> http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/2ndsoprano
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> http://www.chilicats.com
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> I have flying monkeys... and I am NOT afraid to use them!

Well jeez, what didja expect--the Childe LORIS trilogy???? =o)

Me, I can't help feel that THIS should have been the first book in the
trilogy. And it's still really more about Alaric's parents and Donal
Haldane than it is about Alaric himself. KK's going to have a LOT of
his life to cover in book three.

CM's a better book than ITKS, yes. More cohesive. But I think it
should have covered more of Alaric's childhood. And I still feel a
certain degree of emotional disengagement on KK's part that I did not
sense with her earlier books.

/end grumbling... for now.

Melissa
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Shiral wrote:
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> Me, I can't help feel that THIS should have been the first book in the
> trilogy. And it's still really more about Alaric's parents and Donal
> Haldane than it is about Alaric himself. KK's going to have a LOT of
> his life to cover in book three.
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> CM's a better book than ITKS, yes. More cohesive. But I think it
> should have covered more of Alaric's childhood. And I still feel a
> certain degree of emotional disengagement on KK's part that I did not
> sense with her earlier books.
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> Melissa

I found this book more in flavor with some of the other books though it
was still a little stand offish if that makes sense.

Given where she started with the book stopping at Brion's coronation
was a logical point. Would have been nice to have more but given what
we know of the history, it was a good point as I think she would have
been hard pressed to carry the story forward smoothly I would think.
Of course this means that she has about 24 years to cover to bring the
series to the start of Deryni Rising which I think was the original
intent of the series and I don't see that happening. So it is a
question of where will she start the next book.
Alaric coming to court as a page?
Closer to the Marluk conflict? This would bring Jehanna into play and
possibly could wrap up with Kelson's birth. Also could possibly answer
the question of how Rhydon winds up with Wencit. But would be too
early for Coram taking his place.
Either of these would probably skip the death of Kenneth.
Possibly start closer to DR, with Wencit and Clarissa's schemings and
conditions with Torenth falling apart.


Just a few things I would like to see covered and may not get to:
Sir Se`- sorry his popping in and out just bothers me for some reason.
KK may be setting us up for something in the third book, will see.
Zoe Morgan- as she doesn't play in the future books is she dead by DR
(yes I understand that DR was written 36 years ago and KK hadn't
thought things out this far- still need to resolve) Maybe they just
have lands of their own now.
Jehanna- would like to see her before she finds out about Brion's
powers and Alaric being Deryni
Does Kenneth tell Brion about Jamyl Arilan being Deryni, if so this
would mean that Brion knew that other Arilan guy was Deryni also.
Which might beg the question of did the King have something to do with
Dennis gettting through the ordination.
Torenth
Rhydon
Coram
list goes on and on.
Sadly I think only a small part will get covered in the next book.

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> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:19:17 GMT, "Mary Alice Kropp"
>>And yet one more thing I forgot that was very intriguing. Those
>>"primitive
>>shields that Kenneth had not known he possessed." Now there's something
>>I
>>did not expect, much like Jamyl. Does this intimate that Kenneth has some
>>Deryni blood somewhere in his background? Or is he one of those odd,
>>unexplainable (as yet) humans, like Derry and Warin? And, of course, it
>>begs the question: Did Jamyl tell the Council? And/or Denis? Hmmmmm.....
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> I got the impression tat he is/was (will be?) more like Derry. I
> wonder, too, how much of that has to do with close, nay, intimate
> contact with a Deryni. That it may be "latent" in all humans, but it
> takes some trigger (or long association). Interesting issue, that!
>
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That's something that has occurred to me before, Wes, that maybe prolonged
exposure to Deryni gives 'normal humans' some sensitivity. I think there are
some other cases that look like that in other books, IIRC. Although it still
doesn't explain Warin.

Since Deryni are interfertile with other humans, it seems more than likely
to me that they are a mutation that emphasises an existing trait, rather
than something completely new.

Regards
Colin
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:08:35 GMT, "Mary Alice Kropp"
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>Actually, that is basically what I have always thought about the Deryni-
>that they are a mutation of the general human population. And, as they have
>developed concurrently with the non-Deryni human population, the idea that
>at least some non-Deryni humans could possess a "pre-Deryni" capacity, for
>lack of a better term, is perhaps not so far-fetched. And that capacity can
>be activated or heightened, at least, by interaction on a psychic level with
>Deryni. Actually, now that I give it some thought, that *could* explain the
>Haldane potential- that the branch of the human population that became the
>Haldanes is just one step closer to full Deryni capability than, say, the
>Derrys or Warins or Kenneths. As for Warin, well, somewhere along the line,
>the first humans who developed the Deryni abilities had to figure out they
>had them and how to use them, so perhaps Warin is just one of the
>"pre-Deryni" who was able to manifest his own ability. Or maybe he is just
>descended from a blocked Deryni family and they just never realized they had
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Say, MAK, I thought that they thought of the genealogy bit for Warin
(or, perhaps, it was just speculation here), but pretty-much
determined that they could find nothing like that in his ancestry.
(but it surely would explain his anomalous behavior...)

I think that Katherine is in the midst of telling us something (I just
don't know what, yet)

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Wes Struebing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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