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elreynolds

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:48 am
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In the next to the last paragraph of chapter seven of Camber of Culdi we
find the following passage which is Rhys thinking of the reading he had
done when he and Camber had first found Cinhil St. Foillan's:

"He kept thinkingof the parts of Cinhil which he had not been able to
read, which lay behind close-guarded shield that he had not expected to
find in a human, and which he had not dared to probe, for fear of discovery"

end of excerpt.

From this, we can see either one of two things. A) Cinhil is a Deryni
or B) Humans can have Deryni Capabilities. This is well before the
empowerment ritural. So that does not come into play here.

Comments?

Edward

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:48 am
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Edward <elreynolds DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3FA9D002.9000808 DeleteThis @earthlink.net>...
 > In the next to the last paragraph of chapter seven of Camber of Culdi we
 > find the following passage which is Rhys thinking of the reading he had
 > done when he and Camber had first found Cinhil St. Foillan's:
 >
 > "He kept thinkingof the parts of Cinhil which he had not been able to
 > read, which lay behind close-guarded shield that he had not expected to
 > find in a human, and which he had not dared to probe, for fear of discovery"
 >
 > end of excerpt.
 >
 > From this, we can see either one of two things. A) Cinhil is a Deryni
 > or B) Humans can have Deryni Capabilities. This is well before the
 > empowerment ritural. So that does not come into play here.
 >
 > Comments?
 >
 > Edward


One of the the things that drove Camber to think that he might be able
to empower Cinhil somehow was the fact that Cinhil had shields. No
explanation given as to why he has shields. Without background on the
Haldane line, you don't know if they are totally human or have deryni
blood somewhere way back.
Also he is a Haldane. Need to be looking towards a non-Haldane.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:04 pm
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Jerry Maher wrote:

 >
 >One of the the things that drove Camber to think that he might be able
 >to empower Cinhil somehow was the fact that Cinhil had shields. No
 >explanation given as to why he has shields. Without background on the
 >Haldane line, you don't know if they are totally human or have deryni
 >blood somewhere way back.
 >Also he is a Haldane. Need to be looking towards a non-Haldane.
 >
 >jerry
 >
 >
I am sorry, but I don't by into him being a Haldane as the reason. He
is either human or Deryni. I might by the Haldane thing for those after
him, due to the empowerment thing, but not him. If that is to be the
argument, then I am through, cause to me it don't wash.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:13 pm
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"Edward" <elreynolds.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3FA9D002.9000808@earthlink.net...
 > In the next to the last paragraph of chapter seven of Camber of Culdi we
 > find the following passage which is Rhys thinking of the reading he had
 > done when he and Camber had first found Cinhil St. Foillan's:
 >
 > "He kept thinkingof the parts of Cinhil which he had not been able to
 > read, which lay behind close-guarded shield that he had not expected to
 > find in a human, and which he had not dared to probe, for fear of
discovery"
 >
 > end of excerpt.
 >
 > From this, we can see either one of two things. A) Cinhil is a Deryni
 > or B) Humans can have Deryni Capabilities. This is well before the
 > empowerment ritural. So that does not come into play here.
 >
 > Comments?
 >
 > Edward
 >

Using Rebecca's Genealogy pages, I have found that Cinhil is at least in
part Deryni. His great great grandmother was a Furstan. His great
grandfather, St. Bearand Haldane was at least half deryni from his mother,
Raphaela Furstan and 1/8th deryni from his great grandfather Augarin
Haldane. Cinhil would be about 1/16th Deryni. That far down it may only
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:48 pm
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Deryni Blood Quantums of Haldane Descendants
Halbert the Dane - 0 ( At least known )
Hansoc Haldane - 0

Jestic Haldane - 0

Aidan Haldane - 0

Haldin Haldane - 0

Cinhil Haldane(572) - 0

Augarin Haldane - 0 m. Roschianor Furstan (At least .25 or more)

Kensell Haldane - .125 or more

Bernard Haldane - .0645 or more m. Gertrudis d'Estavaye (1.0)

Augarin Alexander Haldane - .53225 or more

Llarik Haldane - .266625 or more

Ryons Haldane - .1333125 or more m Raphaela Furstan who was also a
double Haldane descendant - .2592990625 or more

Bernard Haldane(720) - .19630578125 or more

Ifor Augain Niall Haldane - .098152890625 or more

Aidan Augarin Ifor Haldane - .0490764453125 or more

Alroy Bernard Ifor Haldane - .02453622265625 or more

Cinhil Donal Ivor Haldane - .012268111328125 or more

Rhys Michael Alister Haldane - .0061340556640625 or more m Michaela
Drummond 1.0

Uthyr Michael Richard Haldane - .25306702783203125 or more m Grania
MacInnis .046875 or more

Cluim Michael Riginaud Haldane - .149971013915115625 or more m Swynbeth
Fitz-Arthur Quinnell .0625 or more

Urien Owain Rhys Michael Haldane -.1062355069575578125 or more

Malcom Congal Aidan Julian Haldane -.05311775347877890625 or more m
Roisian Quinnell .25 or more

Donal Blaine Haldane - .152558876739389453125 or more m Richeldis Aoife
Dionysia MacFaolan-Gruffud .0109630039946947265625 or more

Brion Donal Cinhil Urien Haldane -.08276094036704208984375 or more m.
Jehana de Besancon 1.0

Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane -.291389470183521044921875 or more


There you have it. It is likely that the Blood Quantam is higher, as it
is very possible that some of the ancestors had the blood by it is not
know.

If the numbers are too big, just round at the third decimal point to get
the precentage of 100.

Edward

*Note based on info from Rebecca's website and info in the books.






Mark G. Huebner wrote:

 >Using Rebecca's Genealogy pages, I have found that Cinhil is at least in
 >part Deryni. His great great grandmother was a Furstan. His great
 >grandfather, St. Bearand Haldane was at least half deryni from his mother,
 >Raphaela Furstan and 1/8th deryni from his great grandfather Augarin
 >Haldane. Cinhil would be about 1/16th Deryni. That far down it may only
 >pass shield capability along the male line.
 >
 >
 >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:57 pm
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Correction on Kelson. It should read .541389470183521044921875

Sorry did that one wrong.
Edward

Edward wrote:

 > Deryni Blood Quantums of Haldane Descendants
 > Halbert the Dane - 0 ( At least known )
 > Hansoc Haldane - 0
 >
 > Jestic Haldane - 0
 >
 > Aidan Haldane - 0
 >
 > Haldin Haldane - 0
 >
 > Cinhil Haldane(572) - 0
 >
 > Augarin Haldane - 0 m. Roschianor Furstan (At least .25 or more)
 >
 > Kensell Haldane - .125 or more
 >
 > Bernard Haldane - .0645 or more m. Gertrudis d'Estavaye (1.0)
 >
 > Augarin Alexander Haldane - .53225 or more
 >
 > Llarik Haldane - .266625 or more
 >
 > Ryons Haldane - .1333125 or more m Raphaela Furstan who was also a
 > double Haldane descendant - .2592990625 or more
 >
 > Bernard Haldane(720) - .19630578125 or more
 >
 > Ifor Augain Niall Haldane - .098152890625 or more
 >
 > Aidan Augarin Ifor Haldane - .0490764453125 or more
 >
 > Alroy Bernard Ifor Haldane - .02453622265625 or more
 >
 > Cinhil Donal Ivor Haldane - .012268111328125 or more
 >
 > Rhys Michael Alister Haldane - .0061340556640625 or more m Michaela
 > Drummond 1.0
 >
 > Uthyr Michael Richard Haldane - .25306702783203125 or more m Grania
 > MacInnis .046875 or more
 >
 > Cluim Michael Riginaud Haldane - .149971013915115625 or more m
 > Swynbeth Fitz-Arthur Quinnell .0625 or more
 >
 > Urien Owain Rhys Michael Haldane -.1062355069575578125 or more
 >
 > Malcom Congal Aidan Julian Haldane -.05311775347877890625 or more m
 > Roisian Quinnell .25 or more
 >
 > Donal Blaine Haldane - .152558876739389453125 or more m Richeldis
 > Aoife Dionysia MacFaolan-Gruffud .0109630039946947265625 or more
 >
 > Brion Donal Cinhil Urien Haldane -.08276094036704208984375 or more m.
 > Jehana de Besancon 1.0
 >
 > Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane -.291389470183521044921875 or more
 >
 >
 > There you have it. It is likely that the Blood Quantam is higher, as
 > it is very possible that some of the ancestors had the blood by it is
 > not know.
 > If the numbers are too big, just round at the third decimal point to
 > get the precentage of 100.
 >
 > Edward
 >
 > *Note based on info from Rebecca's website and info in the books.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > Mark G. Huebner wrote:
 >
  >> Using Rebecca's Genealogy pages, I have found that Cinhil is at least in
  >> part Deryni. His great great grandmother was a Furstan. His great
  >> grandfather, St. Bearand Haldane was at least half deryni from his
  >> mother,
  >> Raphaela Furstan and 1/8th deryni from his great grandfather Augarin
  >> Haldane. Cinhil would be about 1/16th Deryni. That far down it may
  >> only
  >> pass shield capability along the male line.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:52 am
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Found some other mistakes. Sorry about that folks. It must be this
medicine that I am on. Below is the corrected values....

Deryni Blood Quantums of Haldane Descendants

Halbert the Dane - 0 ( At least known )

Hansoc Haldane - 0

Jestic Haldane - 0

Aidan Haldane - 0

Haldin Haldane - 0

Cinhil Haldane(572) - 0

Augarin Haldane - 0 m. Roschianor Furstan (At least .25 or more)

Kensell Haldane - .125 or more

Bernard Haldane - .0645 or more m. Gertrudis d'Estavaye (1.0)

Augarin Alexander Haldane - .53225 or more

Llarik Haldane - .266625 or more

Ryons Haldane - .1333125 or more m Raphaela Furstan who was also a
double Haldane descendant - .2592990625 or more

Bernard Haldane(720) - .19630578125 or more

Ifor Augain Niall Haldane - .098152890625 or more

Aidan Augarin Ifor Haldane - .0490764453125 or more

Alroy Bernard Ifor Haldane - .02453622265625 or more

Cinhil Donal Ivor Haldane - .012268111328125 or more

Rhys Michael Alister Haldane - .0061340556640625 or more m Michaela
Drummond 1.0

Uthyr Michael Richard Haldane - .50306702783203125 or more m Grania
MacInnis .046875 or more

Cluim Michael Riginaud Haldane - .274971013916010625 or more m Swynbeth
Fitz-Arthur Quinnell .0625 or more

Urien Owain Rhys Michael Haldane -.1687355069580053125 or more

Malcom Congal Aidan Julian Haldane -.08436775347900265625 or more m
Roisian Quinnell .25 or more

Donal Blaine Haldane - .167183876739501328125 or more m Richeldis Aoife
Dionysia MacFaolan-Gruffud .0109630039946947265625 or more

Brion Donal Cinhil Urien Haldane -.08907344036709802734375 or more m.
Jehana de Besancon 1.0

Kelson Cinhil Rhys Anthony Haldane -.544536720183549013671875 or more
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