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Since: Dec 27, 2005 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:19 am
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I recently posted messages to alt.usage.english on the subject of
dictionary interest and collecting. I posted there because my interest
is more in language than in collecting for colecting's sake. So far
there has been no meaningful followup. Perhaps this is a better place
for that. Below is quote from one of my messages:
I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
So, dispairing of ever finding certain items, i have spent far too much
this year ordering from online sellers. In some cases, buying
sight-unseen has proven unwise investment. For example, had i known
that Thomas Wright's 1857 "Dictionary of Obsolete and Provincial
English" was a slightly revised and largely stripped-down version of
James Halliwell's 1850 "Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words,"
which i already had, i might have held onto the preposterous $75.00 i
paid for a used facsimile.
Subtitle information led me to believe that Wright covered a later
period than Halliwell. I have found it difficult to impossible to find
certain information on relatively obscure dictionaries which could have
spared me such costly discovery. $75.00 (for 2 volumes) pushes my
limits (with the exception of the $150.00 i paid for a beautiful copy
of the 12 volume 1911 edition of the "Century," which is really only
$12.50 per large volume).
I suspect there are numerous collectors who post here with whom i could
exchange arcane knowledge. I have quite an extensive collection
(primarily English), yet i have a long way to go for what i want to
have at hand. Presently, my acquisition targets include a facsimile of
the complete Johnson dictionary, Joseph Wright's "English Dialect
Dictionary, the Mayhew/Skeat "Concise Dictionary of Middle English",
volumes of the D.A.R.E, Barnhart's Dictionary Companion, etc.
I will reply to interest as time allows.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:42 am
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on Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:45:31 GMT, my-wings stated:
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>> I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
>> intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
>> library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
>> recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
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>> inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
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>Welcome to rec.collecting.books. I don't collect dictionaries myself, but
>judging by the rest of your post, I think you've found a home!
Yes, welcome to rec.collecting.books.
I don't collect dictionaries per se, but I do have a few
medical dictionaries. Dunglison's, from the mid 1800s,
comes in several editions with beautiful leather bindings.
I haven't gotten to the point of deciding which edition is
preferable; I think I have two, now. Mostly I collect
other old medical texts if they have botanical content,
and a few other obscure things such as books from the first
publisher (1803-1835) in the next town East of me (my actual
town being too small for that sort of thing).
Language, though, that's a fascinating topic. Early
dictionaries could be really intriguing. For a more
modern resource, try onelook.com.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:24 am
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"xerlome" <xerlome.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I recently posted messages to alt.usage.english on the subject of
> dictionary interest and collecting. I posted there because my interest
> is more in language than in collecting for colecting's sake. So far
> there has been no meaningful followup. Perhaps this is a better place
> for that. Below is quote from one of my messages:
>
>
> I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
> intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
> library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
> recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
>
> inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
>
> So, dispairing of ever finding certain items, i have spent far too much
>
> this year ordering from online sellers. In some cases, buying
> sight-unseen has proven unwise investment. For example, had i known
> that Thomas Wright's 1857 "Dictionary of Obsolete and Provincial
> English" was a slightly revised and largely stripped-down version of
> James Halliwell's 1850 "Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words,"
> which i already had, i might have held onto the preposterous $75.00 i
> paid for a used facsimile.
>
> Subtitle information led me to believe that Wright covered a later
> period than Halliwell. I have found it difficult to impossible to find
>
> certain information on relatively obscure dictionaries which could have
>
> spared me such costly discovery. $75.00 (for 2 volumes) pushes my
> limits (with the exception of the $150.00 i paid for a beautiful copy
> of the 12 volume 1911 edition of the "Century," which is really only
> $12.50 per large volume).
>
> I suspect there are numerous collectors who post here with whom i could
>
> exchange arcane knowledge. I have quite an extensive collection
> (primarily English), yet i have a long way to go for what i want to
> have at hand. Presently, my acquisition targets include a facsimile of
>
> the complete Johnson dictionary, Joseph Wright's "English Dialect
> Dictionary, the Mayhew/Skeat "Concise Dictionary of Middle English",
> volumes of the D.A.R.E, Barnhart's Dictionary Companion, etc.
>
> I will reply to interest as time allows.
>
> ER Lyon
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:26 am
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> "xerlome" <xerlome RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135675177.807168.191380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > I recently posted messages to alt.usage.english on the subject of
> > dictionary interest and collecting. I posted there because my interest
> > is more in language than in collecting for colecting's sake. So far
> > there has been no meaningful followup. Perhaps this is a better place
> > for that. Below is quote from one of my messages:
> >
> >
> > I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
> > intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
> > library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
> > recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
> >
> > inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
> >
> > So, dispairing of ever finding certain items, i have spent far too much
> >
> > this year ordering from online sellers. In some cases, buying
> > sight-unseen has proven unwise investment. For example, had i known
> > that Thomas Wright's 1857 "Dictionary of Obsolete and Provincial
> > English" was a slightly revised and largely stripped-down version of
> > James Halliwell's 1850 "Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words,"
> > which i already had, i might have held onto the preposterous $75.00 i
> > paid for a used facsimile.
> >
> > Subtitle information led me to believe that Wright covered a later
> > period than Halliwell. I have found it difficult to impossible to find
> >
> > certain information on relatively obscure dictionaries which could have
> >
> > spared me such costly discovery. $75.00 (for 2 volumes) pushes my
> > limits (with the exception of the $150.00 i paid for a beautiful copy
> > of the 12 volume 1911 edition of the "Century," which is really only
> > $12.50 per large volume).
> >
> > I suspect there are numerous collectors who post here with whom i could
> >
> > exchange arcane knowledge. I have quite an extensive collection
> > (primarily English), yet i have a long way to go for what i want to
> > have at hand. Presently, my acquisition targets include a facsimile of
> >
> > the complete Johnson dictionary, Joseph Wright's "English Dialect
> > Dictionary, the Mayhew/Skeat "Concise Dictionary of Middle English",
> > volumes of the D.A.R.E, Barnhart's Dictionary Companion, etc.
> >
> > I will reply to interest as time allows.
> >
> > ER Lyon
> >
>
> Where do you find room for all these wonderful dictionaries?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:45 pm
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"xerlome" <xerlome.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
> intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
> library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
> recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
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> inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
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Welcome to rec.collecting.books. I don't collect dictionaries myself, but
judging by the rest of your post, I think you've found a home!
Alice
bookdealing...hopefully not a racketeer!
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Book collecting terms illustrated. Occasional books for sale.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:14 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:59 pm
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Er Lyon,
Welcome to RCB!
Philology is one of the areas that I'm interested in. I have a few
dictionaries in my collection (Johnson, Bailey, OED, Oglivie, Webster);
but, I'm more interested in books about grammar and the history of the
English Language.
You've done rather well in finding your dictionaries at thrift stores,
garage sales and library sales; however, you can do better on the web,
either on ebay, or with respectable booksellers who specialize in
Dictionaries and the Philological Sciences.
Which reference books do you have that pertain to dictionaries? If you
don't have it, I would recommend the following book published by Indiana
State University: A Short-Title Catalogue of the Warren N. and Suzanne
B. Cordell Collection of Dictionaries 1475-1900. This catalogue will
cost you at least forty bucks but it is worth every penny in order to
know what dictionaries to look for. I should mention that the listings
are concise and brief:
Mayhew, Anthony Lawson 1842-?
1888 A Concise Dictionary of Middle /english. Oxford: At the
Clarendon Press. [8vo] 195x127 M 371:679
..more to follow later on this week.
Cheers,
Jerry Morris
xerlome.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (xerlome) wrote:
I recently posted messages to alt.usage.english on the subject of
dictionary interest and collecting. I posted there because my interest
is more in language than in collecting for colecting's sake. So far
there has been no meaningful followup. Perhaps this is a better place
for that. Below is quote from one of my messages:
I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
So, dispairing of ever finding certain items, i have spent far too much
this year ordering from online sellers. In some cases, buying
sight-unseen has proven unwise investment. For example, had i known that
Thomas Wright's 1857 "Dictionary of Obsolete and Provincial English" was
a slightly revised and largely stripped-down version of James
Halliwell's 1850 "Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words," which i
already had, i might have held onto the preposterous $75.00 i paid for a
used facsimile.
Subtitle information led me to believe that Wright covered a later
period than Halliwell. I have found it difficult to impossible to find
certain information on relatively obscure dictionaries which could have
spared me such costly discovery. $75.00 (for 2 volumes) pushes my limits
(with the exception of the $150.00 i paid for a beautiful copy of the 12
volume 1911 edition of the "Century," which is really only $12.50 per
large volume).
I suspect there are numerous collectors who post here with whom i could
exchange arcane knowledge. I have quite an extensive collection
(primarily English), yet i have a long way to go for what i want to have
at hand. Presently, my acquisition targets include a facsimile of
the complete Johnson dictionary, Joseph Wright's "English Dialect
Dictionary, the Mayhew/Skeat "Concise Dictionary of Middle English",
volumes of the D.A.R.E, Barnhart's Dictionary Companion, etc.
I will reply to interest as time allows.
ER Lyon
Moi's Books About Books: http://www.tinyurl.com/hib7
Moi's LIbrary http://www.moislibrary.com My Sentimental Library
http://www.picturetrail.com/mylibrary Florida Bibliophile Society
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:15 am
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Allison wrote:
> I do have a few medical dictionaries. Dunglison's, from the mid 1800s, comes in several editions with beautiful leather bindings.
Thanks for this suggestion. I was just surprised to find that
Dunglison's is available for not such a horrifying price.
> Language, though, that's a fascinating topic. Early dictionaries could be really intriguing.
Yes. The ones i mentioned, by Halliwell and Wright, are especially
fascinating. Old words that are very English, many which deserve to be
revived.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:24 am
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bookbindersrus wrote:
> Where do you find room for all these wonderful dictionaries?
Yeah, this is getting to be a problem, but it takes organization. I
built a set of shelves into a wall last summer to accomodate many. And
many are in boxes for now.
I am at present, for reasons too complicated to explain right now,
dividing my time between two houses thousands of miles apart. I have
parts of my collection in each place. I miss the ones i don't have
with me. However, i have resorted to acquiring extra copies of some i
especially want around all the time, too many to transport easily.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:49 am
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Jerry Morris wrote:
> I have a few dictionaries in my collection (Johnson, Bailey, OED, Oglivie, Webster
Johnson and Bailey i am anxious to find. Do you have originals or
facsimiles ? I would take either, as my interest is in their content.
And which Bailey title do you have ?
OED i have in the three volume microprint. I have all the major
Webster editions issued by Merriam, from an 1854 edition of the 1847
revision, to the Third New International.
I just recently bought an 1854 copy of Ogilvie's "Imperial Dictionary"
in two volumes, plus the 1855 "Supplement". $59.25 for the three
volumes. Plus shipping, however. I am interested to compare the later
edition revised by Annandale, which is at my other address. The
history of the origins of these dictionaries is very interesting.
> I'm more interested in books about grammar and the history of the English Language.
I am interested in and collect those as well. What do you
particularly recommend ?
> Which reference books do you have that pertain to dictionaries?
Not many, though i've had some from library. "Chasing the Sun" by
Jonathon Green i have.
I'll check out "A Short-Title Catalogue of the Warren N. and Suzanne B.
Cordell Collection of Dictionaries 1475-1900" when i get a chance. I
am actually working on a catalogue myself.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:13 am
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bookbindersrus wrote:
> "bookbindersrus" <bookcuddler RemoveThis @winner.com> wrote in message
> news:y8mdnVm6Mq239izeRVn-iQ@bright.net...
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>>"xerlome" <xerlome RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1135675177.807168.191380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>>>I recently posted messages to alt.usage.english on the subject of
>>>dictionary interest and collecting. I posted there because my interest
>>>is more in language than in collecting for colecting's sake. So far
>>>there has been no meaningful followup. Perhaps this is a better place
>>>for that. Below is quote from one of my messages:
>>>
>>>
>>>I have long been interested in dictionaries, but have collected
>>>intensively for only six years, primarily form thrift stores, garage,
>>>library, charity sales, etc. I have rarely spent much for them until
>>>recently since competition from bookdealing racketeers has artificially
>>>
>>>inflated prices and scarcified many desirable books.
>>>
>>>So, dispairing of ever finding certain items, i have spent far too much
>>>
>>>this year ordering from online sellers. In some cases, buying
>>>sight-unseen has proven unwise investment. For example, had i known
>>>that Thomas Wright's 1857 "Dictionary of Obsolete and Provincial
>>>English" was a slightly revised and largely stripped-down version of
>>>James Halliwell's 1850 "Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words,"
>>>which i already had, i might have held onto the preposterous $75.00 i
>>>paid for a used facsimile.
>>>
>>>Subtitle information led me to believe that Wright covered a later
>>>period than Halliwell. I have found it difficult to impossible to find
>>>
>>>certain information on relatively obscure dictionaries which could have
>>>
>>>spared me such costly discovery. $75.00 (for 2 volumes) pushes my
>>>limits (with the exception of the $150.00 i paid for a beautiful copy
>>>of the 12 volume 1911 edition of the "Century," which is really only
>>>$12.50 per large volume).
>>>
>>>I suspect there are numerous collectors who post here with whom i could
>>>
>>>exchange arcane knowledge. I have quite an extensive collection
>>>(primarily English), yet i have a long way to go for what i want to
>>>have at hand. Presently, my acquisition targets include a facsimile of
>>>
>>>the complete Johnson dictionary, Joseph Wright's "English Dialect
>>>Dictionary, the Mayhew/Skeat "Concise Dictionary of Middle English",
>>>volumes of the D.A.R.E, Barnhart's Dictionary Companion, etc.
>>>
>>>I will reply to interest as time allows.
>>>
>>>ER Lyon
What an interesting hobby. Apart from the bog standard English
dictionary...the only other reference book I use is Brewers Dictionary
of Phrase and Fable.
While we're on the subject of words...any idea of the *origin* of the
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:07 am
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BasketCase asked:
> While we're on the subject of words...any idea of the *origin* of the word 'egregore' ?
A Google search brings up numerous sites on the subject. Try these:
http://www.mystae.com/streams/scripts/egregor.html
http://www.chaosmagic.com/archives/chaosmagicktheory/on-the-magical-eg...ore.sht
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/gegregor.html
>From one, i extract a brief answer:
< The term egregore is derived from a Greek word meaning "to be aware
of" or "to watch over". >
I did look in a few dictionaries (though i've not made any great
search) and it is apparently rarely entered, even in the largest
dictionaries. It may be in dictionaries of magical or mystical terms,
which i don't have with me.
Funk and Wagnalls has "Egregor..., Egregores... One of the class of
angels mentioned in the book of Enoch as having been in charge of the
earth after the fall of Adam: identified by ancient commentators as the
'sons of God,' Gen. vi.2. [< Gr. egregor, watcher.]"
Okay, you just wanted the *origin* and already know what it means. But
*i* don't, and maybe there are a few other people who don't. So, for
the record, here are some other definitions collected web sites:
"Egregore is a term from Old English which is fading from general use
in modern English. Essentially, an egregore is the 'spirit of a thing',
usually a human group or organization, shared by the members of the
group, for whom it provides guidelines concerning principles, and
goals. Companies, religions, states, and clubs all can be said to have
egregores. An example of the presence of an egregore could be when "a
project takes on a life of its own."
"An egregore is a kind of group mind which is created when people
consciously come together for a common purpose..."
"EGREGORS Watchers, thought-form entities created by visualization,
ritual and such. They come in collective groups. They are somewhat like
angels, except that they are relatively mindless and quite willing to
follow orders. Some ufos may be egregores."
"What is an egregore? It is the psychic and astral entity of a group.
All members of a group, a family, a club, a political party, a religion
or even a country, are psychically included in the egregore of the
organization to which they belong...."
"Egregore was a collective ritual held among the ancient hunting and
agricultural societies..."
"An egregore is commonly understood to be magical entity purposefully
created by a group or order as an encapsulation of the group's
collective aspirations and ideals..."
A new word for me. Interesting !
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:59 am
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xerlome wrote:
> BasketCase asked:
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>>While we're on the subject of words...any idea of the *origin* of the word 'egregore' ?
>
>
> A Google search brings up numerous sites on the subject. Try these:
> http://www.mystae.com/streams/scripts/egregor.html
> http://www.chaosmagic.com/archives/chaosmagicktheory/on-the-magical-eg...ore.sht
> http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/gegregor.html
>
>>From one, i extract a brief answer:
> < The term egregore is derived from a Greek word meaning "to be aware
> of" or "to watch over". >
>
> I did look in a few dictionaries (though i've not made any great
> search) and it is apparently rarely entered, even in the largest
> dictionaries. It may be in dictionaries of magical or mystical terms,
> which i don't have with me.
>
> Funk and Wagnalls has "Egregor..., Egregores... One of the class of
> angels mentioned in the book of Enoch as having been in charge of the
> earth after the fall of Adam: identified by ancient commentators as the
> 'sons of God,' Gen. vi.2. [< Gr. egregor, watcher.]"
>
> Okay, you just wanted the *origin* and already know what it means. But
> *i* don't, and maybe there are a few other people who don't. So, for
> the record, here are some other definitions collected web sites:
>
> "Egregore is a term from Old English which is fading from general use
> in modern English. Essentially, an egregore is the 'spirit of a thing',
> usually a human group or organization, shared by the members of the
> group, for whom it provides guidelines concerning principles, and
> goals. Companies, religions, states, and clubs all can be said to have
> egregores. An example of the presence of an egregore could be when "a
> project takes on a life of its own."
>
> "An egregore is a kind of group mind which is created when people
> consciously come together for a common purpose..."
>
> "EGREGORS Watchers, thought-form entities created by visualization,
> ritual and such. They come in collective groups. They are somewhat like
> angels, except that they are relatively mindless and quite willing to
> follow orders. Some ufos may be egregores."
>
> "What is an egregore? It is the psychic and astral entity of a group.
> All members of a group, a family, a club, a political party, a religion
> or even a country, are psychically included in the egregore of the
> organization to which they belong...."
>
> "Egregore was a collective ritual held among the ancient hunting and
> agricultural societies..."
>
> "An egregore is commonly understood to be magical entity purposefully
> created by a group or order as an encapsulation of the group's
> collective aspirations and ideals..."
>
> A new word for me. Interesting !
>
> ER Lyon
Thank you for your post. It is an interesting concept  I view the
whole WWW as an Egregore...
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:28 pm
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>>While we're on the subject of words...any idea of the *origin* of the word 'egregore' ?
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> A Google search brings up numerous sites on the subject. Try these:
> http://www.mystae.com/streams/scripts/egregor.html
> http://www.chaosmagic.com/archives/chaosmagicktheory/on-the-magical-eg...ore.sht
> http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/gegregor.html
>
>>From one, i extract a brief answer:
> < The term egregore is derived from a Greek word meaning "to be aware
> of" or "to watch over". >
>
> I did look in a few dictionaries (though i've not made any great
> search) and it is apparently rarely entered, even in the largest
> dictionaries. It may be in dictionaries of magical or mystical terms,
> which i don't have with me.
>
> Funk and Wagnalls has "Egregor..., Egregores... One of the class of
> angels mentioned in the book of Enoch as having been in charge of the
> earth after the fall of Adam: identified by ancient commentators as the
> 'sons of God,' Gen. vi.2. [< Gr. egregor, watcher.]"
>
> Okay, you just wanted the *origin* and already know what it means. But
> *i* don't, and maybe there are a few other people who don't. So, for
> the record, here are some other definitions collected web sites:
>
> "Egregore is a term from Old English which is fading from general use
> in modern English. Essentially, an egregore is the 'spirit of a thing',
> usually a human group or organization, shared by the members of the
> group, for whom it provides guidelines concerning principles, and
> goals. Companies, religions, states, and clubs all can be said to have
> egregores. An example of the presence of an egregore could be when "a
> project takes on a life of its own."
>
> "An egregore is a kind of group mind which is created when people
> consciously come together for a common purpose..."
>
> "EGREGORS Watchers, thought-form entities created by visualization,
> ritual and such. They come in collective groups. They are somewhat like
> angels, except that they are relatively mindless and quite willing to
> follow orders. Some ufos may be egregores."
>
> "What is an egregore? It is the psychic and astral entity of a group.
> All members of a group, a family, a club, a political party, a religion
> or even a country, are psychically included in the egregore of the
> organization to which they belong...."
>
> "Egregore was a collective ritual held among the ancient hunting and
> agricultural societies..."
>
> "An egregore is commonly understood to be magical entity purposefully
> created by a group or order as an encapsulation of the group's
> collective aspirations and ideals..."
>
> A new word for me. Interesting !
>
> ER Lyon
>
It is an interesting word, isn't it? You've given a very good
overview of its meaning. It's main sense, as used today, is a
spirit created by a group, either deliberately or unconsciously. I
suppose the coherent actions of a mob illustrate the existence of
an egregore -- a mob acts as a unit, and does not necessarily
reflect the purpose of any individual it contains. It seems to
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Jerry Morris wrote:
I have a few dictionaries in my collection (Johnson, Bailey, OED,
Oglivie, Webster
ER Lyon wrote:
Johnson and Bailey i am anxious to find. Do you have originals or
facsimiles ? I would take either, as my interest is in their content.
And which Bailey title do you have ?
Jerry replied:
I have the 1785 sixth edition of Johnson's Dictionary in two volumes
quarto. I also have the two-volume 1770 fourth abridged edition and a
one-volume 1770 abridged edition of Johnson's Dictionary. "An Universal
Etymological Dictionary" is the title of my Bailey Dictionary, a
one-volume 1775 Twenty-First edition. I need to insert facsimile pages
to replace some missing pages in the onw-volume 1770 Johnson Dictionary,
and need to disband and resew the Bailey Dictionary since it is split
down the middle.
ER Lyon wrote:
OED i have in the three volume microprint. I have all the major Webster
editions issued by Merriam, from an 1854 edition of the 1847 revision,
to the Third New International.
I just recently bought an 1854 copy of Ogilvie's "Imperial Dictionary"
in two volumes, plus the 1855 "Supplement". $59.25 for the three
volumes. Plus shipping, however. I am interested to compare the later
edition revised by Annandale, which is at my other address.
The history of the origins of these dictionaries is very interesting.
Jerry replied:
I have the one-volume OED in microprint, and a circa 1880 four-volume
Ogilvie Dictionary edited by Annandale. Of Webster Dictionaries I have a
few later issues. Down the road I will pick up Webster's 1807
Dictionary, as well as his 1828 First American Edition Dictionary.
Jerry Morris wrote:
I'm more interested in books about grammar and the history of the
English Language.
ER Lyon wrote:
I am interested in and collect those as well. What do you particularly
recommend ?
Jerry replied:
On my wish list is "The English Grammar Made by Ben Johnson, published
in 1640. I have James Harris's Hermes (1765, second edition) and John
Horne-Tooke's Diversions of Purley(1806 First American Edition), both of
which I recommend. I also recommend Noah Webster's Grammatical
Institute of the English Language, published in three parts in several
editions in the late 1700s and early 1800s.
Before you really become interested in grammar, you should pick up a
copy of "An Annotated Bibliography of 19th Century Grammars of English"
by Manfred Gorlach, Philadelphia, 1998. There are over Twenty-Three
Hundred 19th Century Grammars described in this bibliography. The sheer
number of grammars made me take a step back and reconsider whether
collecting grammars would be one of my primary collecting interests.
One could say the same for dictionaries; The Cordell Collection
contained over three thousand dictionaries.
Jerry Morris wrote:
Which reference books do you have that pertain to dictionaries?
Er Lyon wrote:
Not many, though i've had some from library. "Chasing the Sun" by
Jonathon Green i have.
I'll check out "A Short-Title Catalogue of the Warren N. and Suzanne B.
Cordell Collection of Dictionaries 1475-1900" when i get a chance. I am
actually working on a catalogue myself.
ER Lyon
Jerry replied:
If you ever have any questions about Johnson Dictionaries, email me. I
have Fleeman's Bibliography of the Works of Samuel Johnson, which
includes descriptions of all the editions of Johnson's Dictionary.
Here's a fun read from the RCB archives on how Sandy Malcolm used
Fleeman's Bibliography to identify one of my Johnson Dictionaries:
http://www.tinyurl.com/vocz
Cheers,
Jerry Morris
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