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Erik Evenson

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:55 am
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G-------d allllllllmighty.
I lasted 120 pages before I had to give up in disgust.
The implications of the reverse-time world do not meet
up with what the characters do in the novel.

My mind forced me to abandon the effort -- rarely to I
find to guts to drop a book in mid-read.

In reverse-time the characters recent past would be
cloudy and their future certain. The concept is difficult
to write about it a way that calms logical minds.

In the story, one or twice a day the characters vist the toilet
sitting down and scoop wet paper out of the bowl
that suddenly appears when the toilet reverse flushes by
its own power? GROSS!!!

Wouldn't fetuses have to crawl back into the wombs that
gave them birth?

Good God what an awful book!!
Protect your well-being, read "A Scanner Darkly" instead.

EE.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:09 am
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ROFL. Admittedly I have only read CCW once, and not recently, but I
don't remember it being THAT bad.

PKD's handling of time-reversal is indeed wildly inconsistent -- some
processes are reversed, some aren't. And some things are reversed that
don't need to be (i.e., libraries destroy information instead of
collecting it).

It's a typical novel from PKD's Ace Books period: lots of quirky
characters running around against the backdrop of a bizarre,
scientifically dubious premise.

Erik Evenson wrote:
> In the story, one or twice a day the characters vist the toilet
> sitting down and scoop wet paper out of the bowl
> that suddenly appears when the toilet reverse flushes by
> its own power? GROSS!!!

I don't recall PKD being so specific about that. There are all those
references to characters imbibing "sogum," but he never really spells
out what's happening.

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Bill Cleere

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:02 pm
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"Erik Evenson" <erik_evenson_2000.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:j_teh.2395$SJ3.1729@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> G-------d allllllllmighty.
> I lasted 120 pages before I had to give up in disgust.
> The implications of the reverse-time world do not meet
> up with what the characters do in the novel.
>
> My mind forced me to abandon the effort -- rarely to I
> find to guts to drop a book in mid-read.
>
> In reverse-time the characters recent past would be
> cloudy and their future certain. The concept is difficult
> to write about it a way that calms logical minds.
>
> In the story, one or twice a day the characters vist the toilet
> sitting down and scoop wet paper out of the bowl
> that suddenly appears when the toilet reverse flushes by
> its own power? GROSS!!!
>
> Wouldn't fetuses have to crawl back into the wombs that
> gave them birth?
>
> Good God what an awful book!!
> Protect your well-being, read "A Scanner Darkly" instead.
>
> EE.

.....and you didn't even mention Soghum!

Odd. I can't say that your statements are wrong, and I've
heard other people who like PKD react the same way.

And yet I just pass over the absurdities of the plot, and
read and re-read that book, my favorite (though I certainly
wouldn't read one of the best), of PKD's novels.

No other author in history has ever tackled the Resurrection
of the Dead. Only Phil could have done a "What if it
actually happened...to ordinary people...what would it be like?"

The scenes of the dead waking up are among the most
solemn and affecting he ever wrote.

Different streaks for different freaks, I guess...

Hello,

-- Bill Cleere

"I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of
wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendhal)
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