Criticism of the beat generation.

Thank You for your post as it was inteligent

"Dale Houstman" <dmh7.DeleteThis@citilink.com> wrote in message
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 > Will Dockery wrote:
  > > "taris" <taris.DeleteThis@no.email.please> wrote in message
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   > >>"William Laubernds" <manunkind.DeleteThis@hush.com> wrote in message
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   > >>>I doing a college level research paper on the beat generation, and am
   > >>>having trouble finding people that are oppose to the literary work
   > >>>that derived from their movement...if someone knows of a book,
   > >>>article, or website that bashes the beats, or atleast gives a
   > >>>differnet side on the literary importance of their work, i would
   > >>>greatly apperciate it.
   > >>>
   > >>>Thanks in advanced.
   > >>>William
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >>A lot of people thought that the Beats did terrible things to poetry,
   > >>especially with regard to meter and rhyme.
   > >>
   > >>Actually, I just searched on google for meter, rhyme, poetry, and
ginsberg -
   > >>came up with this for instance:
   > >>
   > >>http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/tsteele/TSpage4/LAT.html
   > >>
   > >>Not exactly focused on bashing the Beats, but serves for showing that
some
   > >>people have reacted against their work.
   > >>
   > >>-taris-
  > >
  > >
  > > I love the Beats myself, but I've just crossposted this to a bunch of
  > > dummies who have and will gladly trash the Beats. Some even claim to
  > > *hate* Kerouac, if you can believe such idiocy.
  > > Will
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://willdockery0.tripod.com/</font" target="_blank">http://willdockery0.tripod.com/</font</a>>
 >
 > Actually, you asked us why we "hate" Kerouac, and most of us said that
 > "hate" was too strong a word: we merely have educated opinions about him
 > that differ with your opinions about him. That's it, really.
 >
 > I - for one - don't "trash the Beats" (I notice you like to use
 > inflammatory and extreme phrases in hopes of creating a "scene": quite a
 > low-life occupation that.) I rather like the movement. But- like all art
 > - it is open to criticism, both positive and negative. I didn't call you
 > an idiot for liking Jack's poetry (I said I liked some of his prose), so
 > I don't see why you should call anyone an idiot for not liking it,
 > especially if they give reasons. I've read the Beats extensively: my
 > preference is for Burroughs as one of the most original writers, and for
 > Gary Snyder as one of the best poets of the group, who - moreover - has
 > a more integrated sense of what Buddhism might mean in America. Yet I
 > have nothing against you for choosing a person I consider to be the
 > worst POET of the Beats as an exemplar of that genre. That's fine.
 >
 > Jack is a very interesting American type of the 50s, and his prose gives
 > a good look into that archetype. His poetry doesn't do that as well. So
 > I prefer his prose. Get over it.
 >
 > dmh
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 > Thank You for your post as it was inteligent

He *do* come across like that, sometimes.
Will

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 > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7.TakeThisOut@citilink.com> wrote in message
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  > >
  > >
  > > Will Dockery wrote:
   > > > "taris" <taris.TakeThisOut@no.email.please> wrote in message
 > news:<v9%eb.5364$Fv5.1496@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
   > > >
   > > >>"William Laubernds" <manunkind.TakeThisOut@hush.com> wrote in message
   > > >>news:c92dce4e.0310010658.32e5a13a@posting.google.com...
   > > >>
   > > >>>I doing a college level research paper on the beat generation, and am
   > > >>>having trouble finding people that are oppose to the literary work
   > > >>>that derived from their movement...if someone knows of a book,
   > > >>>article, or website that bashes the beats, or atleast gives a
   > > >>>differnet side on the literary importance of their work, i would
   > > >>>greatly apperciate it.
   > > >>>
   > > >>>Thanks in advanced.
   > > >>>William
   > > >>>
   > > >>
   > > >>A lot of people thought that the Beats did terrible things to poetry,
   > > >>especially with regard to meter and rhyme.
   > > >>
   > > >>Actually, I just searched on google for meter, rhyme, poetry, and
 > ginsberg -
   > > >>came up with this for instance:
   > > >>
   > > >>http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/tsteele/TSpage4/LAT.html
   > > >>
   > > >>Not exactly focused on bashing the Beats, but serves for showing that
 > some
   > > >>people have reacted against their work.
   > > >>
   > > >>-taris-
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > I love the Beats myself, but I've just crossposted this to a bunch of
   > > > dummies who have and will gladly trash the Beats. Some even claim to
   > > > *hate* Kerouac, if you can believe such idiocy.
   > > > Will
   > > >
<font color=brown>   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://willdockery0.tripod.com/</font" target="_blank">http://willdockery0.tripod.com/</font</a>>
  > >
  > > Actually, you asked us why we "hate" Kerouac, and most of us said that
  > > "hate" was too strong a word: we merely have educated opinions about him
  > > that differ with your opinions about him. That's it, really.
  > >
  > > I - for one - don't "trash the Beats" (I notice you like to use
  > > inflammatory and extreme phrases in hopes of creating a "scene": quite a
  > > low-life occupation that.) I rather like the movement. But- like all art
  > > - it is open to criticism, both positive and negative. I didn't call you
  > > an idiot for liking Jack's poetry (I said I liked some of his prose), so
  > > I don't see why you should call anyone an idiot for not liking it,
  > > especially if they give reasons. I've read the Beats extensively: my
  > > preference is for Burroughs as one of the most original writers, and for
  > > Gary Snyder as one of the best poets of the group, who - moreover - has
  > > a more integrated sense of what Buddhism might mean in America. Yet I
  > > have nothing against you for choosing a person I consider to be the
  > > worst POET of the Beats as an exemplar of that genre. That's fine.
  > >
  > > Jack is a very interesting American type of the 50s, and his prose gives
  > > a good look into that archetype. His poetry doesn't do that as well. So
  > > I prefer his prose. Get over it.
  > >
  > > dmh
  > >
 >
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Gee Will (what's up) thank you for the post but at times I actually hate
EVERYONE even MUM and the Tooth Fairy (and she gave me money)!

S>O>S>F>

  > > Will Dockery wrote:
   > > > "taris" <taris.DeleteThis@no.email.please> wrote in message
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 > Wow! Thanks for the thoughtful response, Dale. Sorry I called you an
idiot,
 > and the other inflamatory things I typed while crossposting this over. I
 > basically should have let the original post speak for itself. *But*,
someone
 > on this group did write that they "hated" Kerouac... they've probably left
 > already, since they were probably just trying to inflame me in a low life
 > sort of way.
 > Will<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Dale Houstman" <dmh7 DeleteThis @citilink.com> wrote in message
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 > I - for one - don't "trash the Beats"

(note: good be consistent now)
***

 > I rather like the movement. But- like all art
 > - it is open to criticism, both positive and negative.

(NOTE : DAMN ACADEMICS)

 > I didn't call you an idiot for liking Jack's poetry

NOTE: WHO'S BACK PEDALING HERE??

 >(I said I liked some of his prose)

NOTE: WISHY WASHY TWIT

 > I don't see why you should call anyone an idiot for not liking it,

NOTE: WHO THE HELL SAYS?

 > especially if they give reasons

NOTE: I SUPPOSE YOUR FASCIST AHOLE IS THE BEST JUDGE

 > I've read the Beats extensively

NOTE: GOOD FOR YOU SO WHAT? MEANING WHAT? YOU"RE QUALIFIED?
FOR WHAT? PUKING OUT YOUR AHOLE?

 > preference is for Burroughs as one of the most original writers

NOTE: DAMN SUICIDAL JUNKIES THEY ARE BLESSINGS AND CURSES BUT THEN AGAIN YOU
DONT GIV A FUCK

 > Gary Snyder as one of the best poets of the group

WHO THE FUCH SAYS? WHO THE F__K QUALIFIES HIM OR YOU FOR SH_T (or to say
shit?)
YOU ACADEMIC AHOLE ON A FROG'S ASS!!!!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I've been enjoying Gregory Corso's poems the most, lately.
Will

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"MI6 U2" <for-my-eyes-only.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > snip snip snip
 >
 > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7.RemoveThis@citilink.com> wrote in message
 > news:3F7EE123.2040909@citilink.com...
  > > I - for one - don't "trash the Beats"
 >
 > (note: good be consistent now)
 > ***
 >
  > > I rather like the movement. But- like all art
  > > - it is open to criticism, both positive and negative.
 >
 > (NOTE : DAMN ACADEMICS)
 >
  > > I didn't call you an idiot for liking Jack's poetry
 >
 > NOTE: WHO'S BACK PEDALING HERE??
 >
  > >(I said I liked some of his prose)
 >
 > NOTE: WISHY WASHY TWIT
 >
  > > I don't see why you should call anyone an idiot for not liking it,
 >
 > NOTE: WHO THE HELL SAYS?
 >
  > > especially if they give reasons
 >
 > NOTE: I SUPPOSE YOUR FASCIST AHOLE IS THE BEST JUDGE
 >
  > > I've read the Beats extensively
 >
 > NOTE: GOOD FOR YOU SO WHAT? MEANING WHAT? YOU"RE QUALIFIED?
 > FOR WHAT? PUKING OUT YOUR AHOLE?
 >
  > > preference is for Burroughs as one of the most original writers
 >
 > NOTE: DAMN SUICIDAL JUNKIES THEY ARE BLESSINGS AND CURSES BUT THEN AGAIN
YOU
 > DONT GIV A FUCK
 >
  > > Gary Snyder as one of the best poets of the group
 >
 > WHO THE FUCH SAYS? WHO THE F__K QUALIFIES HIM OR YOU FOR SH_T (or to say
 > shit?)
 > YOU ACADEMIC AHOLE ON A FROG'S ASS!!!!
 >
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MI6 U2 wrote:
 > snip snip snip
 >
 > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7 DeleteThis @citilink.com> wrote in message
 > news:3F7EE123.2040909@citilink.com...
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  >>I - for one - don't "trash the Beats"
 >
 >
 > (note: good be consistent now)

Why, for heaven's sake?

 > ***
 >
 >
  >>I rather like the movement. But- like all art
  >>- it is open to criticism, both positive and negative.
 >
 >
 > (NOTE : DAMN ACADEMICS)

A rather inappropriate response.

 >
 >
  >>I didn't call you an idiot for liking Jack's poetry
 >
 >
 > NOTE: WHO'S BACK PEDALING HERE??

Since I NEVER called him an idiot for liking Jack's poetry, it can't be
a backpedal, can it?

 >
 >
  >>(I said I liked some of his prose)
 >
 >
 > NOTE: WISHY WASHY TWIT

Nothing like that at all. I DO like his prose, and I DON'T like his
poetry. I have definite opinions on both.

 >
 >
  >>I don't see why you should call anyone an idiot for not liking it,
 >
 >
 > NOTE: WHO THE HELL SAYS?

Well - I just did.

 >
 >
  >>especially if they give reasons
 >
 >
 > NOTE: I SUPPOSE YOUR FASCIST AHOLE IS THE BEST JUDGE

Again, a quite inappropriate response. I didn't even say they had to be
GOOD reasons, just SOME reasons. Hardly the stuff of fascism.

 >
 >
  >>I've read the Beats extensively
 >
 >
 > NOTE: GOOD FOR YOU SO WHAT? MEANING WHAT? YOU"RE QUALIFIED?
 > FOR WHAT? PUKING OUT YOUR AHOLE?

When you reach for your medication, do you knock over your teddy bear?

 >
 >
  >>preference is for Burroughs as one of the most original writers
 >
 >
 > NOTE: DAMN SUICIDAL JUNKIES THEY ARE BLESSINGS AND CURSES BUT THEN AGAIN YOU
 > DONT GIV A FUCK

Well, Jack seemed to be the more suicidal one. William - if you don't
know - lived to a ripe old age.

 >
 >
  >>Gary Snyder as one of the best poets of the group
 >
 >
 > WHO THE FUCH SAYS?

Well - plain to see - I did. I didn't claim it was a FACT, just my opinion.

WHO THE F__K QUALIFIES HIM OR YOU FOR SH_T (or to say
 > shit?)
 > YOU ACADEMIC AHOLE ON A FROG'S ASS!!!!

Your writing is atrocious, but your reading skills seem worse.

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DAMN STALE IVORY TOWER ACADEMICS A G SOLD OUT WHEN HE STARTED CATERING TO
THE ACADEMICS AND SO-CALLED LITERATI ..... BEFORE YOU BASTARDS CAN LEARN HOW
(LEARN OW) 2 (TO) rite (WRITE) U (YOU) HAV (HAVE) TA (TO)
LEARN OW (HOW) Ta (2)(TO) 1st (first) U/YOU DUMB (STUPID) TWITS
(USELESSNESS).

with best wishs
S?O?S?F?

"Steve Hayes" <hayesstw.spamless RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > On 1 Oct 2003 07:58:14 -0700, manunkind RemoveThis @hush.com (William Laubernds)
wrote:
 >
  > >I doing a college level research paper on the beat generation, and am
  > >having trouble finding people that are oppose to the literary work
  > >that derived from their movement...if someone knows of a book,
  > >article, or website that bashes the beats, or atleast gives a
  > >differnet side on the literary importance of their work, i would
  > >greatly apperciate it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"MI6 U2" <for-my-eyes-only.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Who ever said you people know how to sign your names properly,

I say it.

complete a
> whole thought,

Never completed a partial thought yet. That's two.

>or write for that matter?

Write for which matter? Your post is incomplete. Two and a half.

> You academic a-holes.

Thank you. You've brought academia closer to home than my mother would
allow- she used to put it in a pig's eye. My friends say it's out in left
field and my girlfriend just calls it off-the-wall. At least you've
acknowledged one of my orifices- if I work on the other six I might gain a
Taoist wholeness that allows me to be as complete as a turtle in the mud. In
the meantime, you're a twit.

Malcolm
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"Crowfoot" <suzych RemoveThis @swcp.com> wrote in message
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> Never cared for the Beats, myself; too full of white-boy machismo for my
> taste.
>
> C
> --
> Crow

That's GAY white-boy machismo to you, buddy.

-taris-
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> "Crowfoot" <suzych.DeleteThis@swcp.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> That's GAY white-boy machismo to you, buddy.
>
> -taris-
>

Hey, Miss Brown to YOU.
>
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Malcolm (BITE THE BULLET) as you're very nice as a pompous fool/ass (aren't
you???)

but frankly you are too clever for your own good) but as you say in response
to the question:

> > Who ever said you people know how to sign your names properly?

you

> say it

in a manner that is what they call in law a self-serving (self-affirming,
conjectural statement (mere opinion [delusionary LOL ha hah hah a])

as is also your clever cute and conceited

>
> complete a
> > whole thought,
>
> Never completed a partial thought yet. That's two.

Perhaps you can try being a psychopath instead of a writer of letters?

hahahaha bye now

S>O>S>F>
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Gee Crow (two left) foot/s, you are another conceited, pompous (sel-serving)
ass (aren't you,,,,,, though I agree I can generalize)
as (you say):

> Uh -- 14 published books, two of them non-fiction? And I only teach on
> a brief, contract basis, next time a week this upcoming spring. You want
> to watch those generalizations, especially when you are ticked off.
> They are tricky . . .

doesn't not mean you are qualified as a writer (does it??)!!!
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You really don't say much at all

"Will Dockery"

to my points or in response to

> Crowfoot

(who claims that:)

> > Uh -- 14 published books, two of them non-fiction? And I only teach on
> > a brief, contract basis, next time a week this upcoming spring.

qualifies him as a writer


So I suppose you agree with his pompous ass
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