THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY

thanks a lot (again). I remember reading an old book of interviews
with him. Very interesting guy. That makes sense, since he was along
with Gary Snyder, one of the "serious" followers of zen. Did he
recently pass away? Also, any word on publication of, or excerpts of
Anne Murphy's memoir? (same old question) The publications that
contained the excerpts come up on NONE of the book seach outlets, and
zilch on the net. THANKS again!




"Dave Moore" <dave.DeleteThis@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cf2t9s$eu7$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
 > "john sands" <MP50.DeleteThis@angelfire.com> wrote in message
 > news:baeae388.0408070709.39a0c303@posting.google.com...
  > > the above story is of course a fictionalized story of Neal Cassady
  > > (Houlihan), but who is the Zen like character called DOLF based on,
  > > who got the best of Houlihan by just sitting in unblinking silence
  > > while Houlohan rapped his butt off?
 >
 > It's actually "Lars Dorf"
 >
 > In Stephen Tanner's book, "Ken Kesey", he states that Dorf was modelled on
 > poet Phil Whalen.
 >
 >
 > Dave Moore<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

"john sands" <MP50.DeleteThis@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:baeae388.0408080555.2b1c31d2@posting.google.com...
 > thanks a lot (again). I remember reading an old book of interviews
 > with him. Very interesting guy. That makes sense, since he was along
 > with Gary Snyder, one of the "serious" followers of zen. Did he
 > recently pass away?

Phil Whalen died in June 2002.

 > Also, any word on publication of, or excerpts of
 > Anne Murphy's memoir? (same old question)

No more news on this.

 > The publications that contained the excerpts come up on
 > NONE of the book seach outlets, and zilch on the net.
 > THANKS again!

They are certainly hard to find now, being underground newspaper-type
publications. But I can assure you that they DO exist. I have copies of
them.

I've recently seen another article by John Bryan, the guy who edited The New
Free Press and first published Neal Cassady's "Joan Anderson Letter" (in
1964). This is in The New Deep City Press (San Francisco), No.11, 1978, and
is about Neal working (very briefly) as a taxi driver in San Francisco.

Dave Moore<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

Another thing to search for. Isn't John Bryan the guy that worked on
the newpapper that Charles Bukowski worked on, who introduced Bukowski
to Cassady? Again, thanks for the new (for me) info. Hopw the promised
release date for THE COLLECTED LETTERS is held to this time. (Nov 30?)



"Dave Moore" <dave.DeleteThis@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cf5otu$3b8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
 > "john sands" <MP50.DeleteThis@angelfire.com> wrote in message
 > news:baeae388.0408080555.2b1c31d2@posting.google.com...
  > > thanks a lot (again). I remember reading an old book of interviews
  > > with him. Very interesting guy. That makes sense, since he was along
  > > with Gary Snyder, one of the "serious" followers of zen. Did he
  > > recently pass away?
 >
 > Phil Whalen died in June 2002.
 >
  > > Also, any word on publication of, or excerpts of
  > > Anne Murphy's memoir? (same old question)
 >
 > No more news on this.
 >
  > > The publications that contained the excerpts come up on
  > > NONE of the book seach outlets, and zilch on the net.
  > > THANKS again!
 >
 > They are certainly hard to find now, being underground newspaper-type
 > publications. But I can assure you that they DO exist. I have copies of
 > them.
 >
 > I've recently seen another article by John Bryan, the guy who edited The New
 > Free Press and first published Neal Cassady's "Joan Anderson Letter" (in
 > 1964). This is in The New Deep City Press (San Francisco), No.11, 1978, and
 > is about Neal working (very briefly) as a taxi driver in San Francisco.
 >
 > Dave Moore<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

"john sands" <MP50.RemoveThis@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:baeae388.0408090448.408e8799@posting.google.com...
 > Another thing to search for. Isn't John Bryan the guy that worked
 > on the newpapper that Charles Bukowski worked on, who
 > introduced Bukowski to Cassady? Again, thanks for the new
 > (for me) info.

Yeah, John Bryan was the man behind yet another underground newspaper in the
'60s -- Open City. Bukowski used to write for it, and Bryan introduced him
to Neal. Buk wrote about their meeting for Open City, and this piece, along
with many others, can still be found in the City Lights publication Notes of
a Dirty Old Man. (The Cassady piece is on pages 27-31.)

 > Hopw the promised release date for THE COLLECTED
 > LETTERS is held to this time. (Nov 30?)

Yeah -- so do I !!

Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

This is a question which just occurred to me and which may or may not be
relevant to the thread. Remembrances lie dormant in my skull, like depth
charges, for fifty years and more sometimes.

It concerns the last job of Neal Cassady in America, perhaps on earth.

I remember hearing from Carolyn Cassady that Neal worked in Santa Cruz
delivering and underground newspaper. I also saw a letter sent to Carolyn
after Neal died from, apparently, the matriarch of the family which
published the Santa Cruz rag. She told of how much they had done for Neal
and how they regretted they were not able to save him etc etc etc. What was
remarkable was the signature. She signed herself "Supermother."

I'll bet Dave Moore can tell us about this one.
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

"Tremonius" <ulTIMum RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:q%6Sc.16876$cK.1383@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
 >
 > This is a question which just occurred to me and which may or
 > may not be relevant to the thread. Remembrances lie dormant
 > in my skull, like depth charges, for fifty years and more sometimes.
 >
 > It concerns the last job of Neal Cassady in America, perhaps on earth.
 >
 > I remember hearing from Carolyn Cassady that Neal worked in Santa
 > Cruz delivering and underground newspaper. I also saw a letter sent
 > to Carolyn after Neal died from, apparently, the matriarch of the family
 > which published the Santa Cruz rag. She told of how much they had
 > done for Neal and how they regretted they were not able to save him
 > etc etc etc. What was remarkable was the signature. She signed herself
 > "Supermother."
 >
 > I'll bet Dave Moore can tell us about this one.


Hi Tim,

As far as I know, the underground newspaper that Neal assisted with during
his final weeks was Open City, edited by John Bryan.

I've not seen the letter you mention, so can't comment on it or
"Supermother."

Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

Hey, Dave.

"As far as I know, the underground newspaper that Neal assisted with during
his final weeks was Open City, edited by John Bryan."

I guess you can't copyright the name of a magazine either. Here's where I
go when I look up Open City online:

"The magazine was founded in 1990 by Thomas Beller and Daniel Pinchbeck and
the book series was founded in 1999 by Robert Bingham. The magazine comes
out three times per year, and at this time Open City Books releases one book
per year. The magazine and books are distributed to the trade by Publishers
Group West."

Wrong tree, huh?
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

what really became of Neal's friend Bradley Hodgeman? In the BEAT
SCENE article, Anne says he died shortly after the Neal times, and in
THE HOLY GOOF it stated, that (I assume it was him being spoken of)
that he lived a vegetable like existence in the Michigan town that he
grew up in. THANKS. Some of his letters to Neal and some really nice
ones from Anne are viewable at the Univ. of Texas at Austin.

ps, to Dave Moore, I tried to email u but it came back. Could you
(possibly) email me at <FJTiernan RemoveThis @earthlink.net> THANKS!!




"Tremonius" <ulTIMum RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<m9gSc.17651$cK.9141@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
 > Hey, Dave.
 >
 > "As far as I know, the underground newspaper that Neal assisted with during
 > his final weeks was Open City, edited by John Bryan."
 >
 > I guess you can't copyright the name of a magazine either. Here's where I
 > go when I look up Open City online:
 >
 > "The magazine was founded in 1990 by Thomas Beller and Daniel Pinchbeck and
 > the book series was founded in 1999 by Robert Bingham. The magazine comes
 > out three times per year, and at this time Open City Books releases one book
 > per year. The magazine and books are distributed to the trade by Publishers
 > Group West."
 >
 > Wrong tree, huh?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

me again! I did buy that Bukowski book with the Neal story. Actually
the only Bukowski book I read. The meeting did have something to do ,
I think with the Newspaper office, so that most likely is one of the
jobs that Neal had. I read somewhere of Timothy Leary coming into
someones home and Neal was in the other room having sex and said
something to the effect "I'll be right with you". Was that the house
that Neal lived in with Charles Plymell. Plymell did say that Leary
did visit them, so I was wondering if that was the time?? Thanks
again!!!
ps, is Bradley Hodgeman in any of the Prankster videos that was
released? If I remember, it was said that Neal drove with him back to
Calif., which of course would make volume 3 not as interesting as the
former 2, with no Neal at the wheel.



"Tremonius" <ulTIMum.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<m9gSc.17651$cK.9141@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
 > Hey, Dave.
 >
 > "As far as I know, the underground newspaper that Neal assisted with during
 > his final weeks was Open City, edited by John Bryan."
 >
 > I guess you can't copyright the name of a magazine either. Here's where I
 > go when I look up Open City online:
 >
 > "The magazine was founded in 1990 by Thomas Beller and Daniel Pinchbeck and
 > the book series was founded in 1999 by Robert Bingham. The magazine comes
 > out three times per year, and at this time Open City Books releases one book
 > per year. The magazine and books are distributed to the trade by Publishers
 > Group West."
 >
 > Wrong tree, huh?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

"john sands" <MP50.TakeThisOut@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:baeae388.0408110402.64332dcb@posting.google.com...
 > what really became of Neal's friend Bradley Hodgeman? In the BEAT
 > SCENE article, Anne says he died shortly after the Neal times, and in
 > THE HOLY GOOF it stated, that (I assume it was him being spoken of)
 > that he lived a vegetable like existence in the Michigan town that he
 > grew up in.

Bradley died at the age of 49, but I don't know where or when.

He was a Stanford University tennis star.

Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

thanks, another death at a young age. I wonder why Anne said that he
dies shortly after they hung out together? Thanks again



"Dave Moore" <dave.TakeThisOut@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cfd4rl$27h$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
 > "john sands" <MP50.TakeThisOut@angelfire.com> wrote in message
 > news:baeae388.0408110402.64332dcb@posting.google.com...
  > > what really became of Neal's friend Bradley Hodgeman? In the BEAT
  > > SCENE article, Anne says he died shortly after the Neal times, and in
  > > THE HOLY GOOF it stated, that (I assume it was him being spoken of)
  > > that he lived a vegetable like existence in the Michigan town that he
  > > grew up in.
 >
 > Bradley died at the age of 49, but I don't know where or when.
 >
 > He was a Stanford University tennis star.
 >
 > Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY 

I was furnished that interview of Anne Murphy Maxwell by Mr Sands, and I am
very grateful, and it confirms for me what I had long suspected - history is
mostly rust of ages. By that I mean, the stars of the show remember in the
best light of today, similar to looking for something you lost at night
under the street lamp because nobody can see in the dark.

First, a parable on remembrance. Say the stars are working a long receiving
line. Along about the far turn waits one fan, very nervous and excited to
be there. The line runs on and on. Later on, there is a recall of an event
happening right in front of the fan.

Who is the best witness? The stars, for whom the moment is
indistinguishable from many many more, or the fan, who has the singular
event set out in a drab day forever?

I have such a moment in mind. Present are the stars, Carolyn Cassady and
Anne Murphy Maxwell. The dialogue (I was invited out) went on extensively
and exclusively in Astrological terms. All facts, features, and
fundamentals were cast by the stars.

They were both, Carolyn especially, familiars of Gavin Arthur, the San
Francisco astrologer guru.

None of that shows today. I tell you, it was primary in 1972.

It's just a different light nowadays.
 >> Stay informed about: THE DAY SUPERMAN DIED by KEN KESEY