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jandm16

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:05 pm
Post subject: Deadly Genesis 3: A small retcon?
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Okay, so while Emma and the feds are playing pattycake with Beast as the
referee we see Havok go into a room and see a conversation where
Professor X tells Corsair that he knows that Corsair is really Cyke's
and Havok's dad, but tells Corsair that he shouldn't tell the brothers.

I thought Corsair had already decided not to tell scott in #108 or #109
when Jean had a quick word with Corsair and he told her not to tell them.

So is this a retcon, Professor X just being an ass by being unaware of
the Corsair/Jean coverasation or reinforcing it, Corsair deciding to
tell the brothers and Prof X telling him no, or some combination thereof?

And why would these time-viewing (for lack of a better word) powers be
hitting the X-People who were at Krakoa? Yeah, it explains why the ones
at Krakoa would be having these funky visions, but how is it happening
and why is it hitting everyone seperately and at different times?

And while we're on the subject, I'm assuming Kitty's came from being
connected in some way to Emaa and Cerebro when the spike hit. But if
what she saw was a vision of what happened, the when did Colossus die?

Michael

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Dan McEwen

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am
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I haven't read the issue, but these two things don't seem to be at odds.
Prof X tells Corsair not to tell the brothers. Corsair then tells Jean
not to tell them. It seems to flow pretty well.

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jandm16

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am
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>>Professor X tells Corsair that he knows that Corsair is really Cyke's
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>>the Corsair/Jean coverasation or reinforcing it, Corsair deciding to
>>tell the brothers and Prof X telling him no, or some combination
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> not to tell them. It seems to flow pretty well.

IIRC, the Corsair/Phoenix conversation took place before the X-Men left
to go back to Earth.

Michael
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am
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> >>Okay, so while Emma and the feds are playing pattycake with Beast as
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> >>Professor X tells Corsair that he knows that Corsair is really Cyke's
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> >>the Corsair/Jean coverasation or reinforcing it, Corsair deciding to
> >>tell the brothers and Prof X telling him no, or some combination
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> > Prof X tells Corsair not to tell the brothers. Corsair then tells Jean
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Am I the only one who sees this as Xavier telling Corsair that Scott
and Alex must not know about their third brother more than Corsair's
identity? Corsair says, "I thought they were ALL dead"...

peace Kazuya
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:13 am
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I just feel like adding what I thought of the book here rather than
create a seperate thread...

I'm liking the book and its holding my interest. I kind of twigged
that Moira had some kind of team earlier, and I can see why Charles and
Moira (and hey, who knows, maybe Jean) would keep Moira's alternate
team a secret.

But...

I object to Banshee being killed off! Peripherary characters like him
don't just grow on trees. Hell, if we have to kill SOMEONE off, lets
kill off Polaris who is so messed up and lacking in personality at the
moment (other than, "I am psychotic").

(Just a thought... Sabretooth's inclusion in the new X-Men line up
doesn't seem so odd. If Polaris is anything to go by, the X-Men are
more than willing to tolerate homicidal maniacs).

Anyway, we better see Siryn's reaction in X-Factor. Or, maybe its a
swerve and Banshee'll be okay, but I can't see how...

Also, I'm glad to see that another writer is carrying on that fine
tradition of Rachel Grey being "team liability". From Uncanny X-Men I
gather it has become her primary personality trait. Razz
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:44 am
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> I haven't read the issue, but these two things don't seem to be at odds.
> Prof X tells Corsair not to tell the brothers. Corsair then tells Jean
> not to tell them. It seems to flow pretty well.

Seems to me that here Xavieris saying he knew who he was from the first
moment they met. But when did they meet? I can't think of an earlier
occasion than X-Men #167, or possibly off-camera around #154. Either way, it
was after Scott already knew who his father was.

The only way it makes sense is if Corsair met Xavier during his Shi'ar
sabbatical between X-Men #118-ish and #X-Men #129. How or why that might
have happened would be an untold story.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:45 pm
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Jimmy Fury <james.wyllie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

: I'm liking the book and its holding my interest. I kind of twigged
: that Moira had some kind of team earlier, and I can see why Charles and
: Moira (and hey, who knows, maybe Jean) would keep Moira's alternate
: team a secret.

It's lost mine. I'm finding the art really disappointing, too.

: I object to Banshee being killed off! Peripherary characters like him
: don't just grow on trees. Hell, if we have to kill SOMEONE off, lets
: kill off Polaris who is so messed up and lacking in personality at the
: moment (other than, "I am psychotic").

Actually, Milligan's finally doing some more interesting stuff with her.
Her alien fixation isn't just about a lover's jealousy, but now a quest
for power and other weirdness.

: Also, I'm glad to see that another writer is carrying on that fine
: tradition of Rachel Grey being "team liability". From Uncanny X-Men I
: gather it has become her primary personality trait. Razz

And a sketchy one at best.

Shawn H.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:58 pm
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Is someone telling me that the walking stereotype that was Sean Cassidy
is dead? I certainly won't be shedding any tears. As you might guess
I'm from the same country as the fictional Mr. Cassidy was supposed to
be and he made me cringe every time I encountered him, especially the
nonsense with leprechauns in his castle from many years back in Uncanny
X-men.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:58 pm
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i'd like to think Sean will be ok, but i doubt it. he's been one of the most
underused and mistreated X characters ever.
even his death was lackluster. what a shame.
Gerry
"Jimmy Fury" <james.wyllie.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I just feel like adding what I thought of the book here rather than
> create a seperate thread...
>
> I'm liking the book and its holding my interest. I kind of twigged
> that Moira had some kind of team earlier, and I can see why Charles and
> Moira (and hey, who knows, maybe Jean) would keep Moira's alternate
> team a secret.
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> But...
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> I object to Banshee being killed off! Peripherary characters like him
> don't just grow on trees. Hell, if we have to kill SOMEONE off, lets
> kill off Polaris who is so messed up and lacking in personality at the
> moment (other than, "I am psychotic").
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> (Just a thought... Sabretooth's inclusion in the new X-Men line up
> doesn't seem so odd. If Polaris is anything to go by, the X-Men are
> more than willing to tolerate homicidal maniacs).
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> Anyway, we better see Siryn's reaction in X-Factor. Or, maybe its a
> swerve and Banshee'll be okay, but I can't see how...
>
> Also, I'm glad to see that another writer is carrying on that fine
> tradition of Rachel Grey being "team liability". From Uncanny X-Men I
> gather it has become her primary personality trait. Razz
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:50 am
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marcusomurchu DeleteThis @Aol.com wrote:
> Is someone telling me that the walking stereotype that was Sean Cassidy
> is dead? I certainly won't be shedding any tears. As you might guess
> I'm from the same country as the fictional Mr. Cassidy was supposed to
> be and he made me cringe every time I encountered him, especially the
> nonsense with leprechauns in his castle from many years back in Uncanny
> X-men.

OMG! Leprechauns in Marvel's Ireland?! The next thing you'll be telling
me is that Marvel has mythological gods, or abominable snowmen, or
mermen, or centaurs, or elves and dwarves, or demons, or giants, or
Tuatha de Danan, or...

Oh wait...
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:24 am
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Exactly, if they'had wanted to use something from Irish of Celtic myth
there's a hell of a lot of other choices, like the Tuatha De Danann
mentioned above. Mind you, the all time worst every stories involving
Ireland in Marvel Comics go jointly to Denny O'Neill and his attempts
to be hip and politically controversial with his figure of the Gael,
the renegade IRA men he used in Daredevil. And the second of the pair
is the ridiculous issues of one Spider-man title where they all go to
Northern Ireland. Such great research had been done that the Royal
Ulster Constablury were walking around in the traditional British
bobbies outfit and were an unarmed force!

I know, we could say it's only comics as a defence, but the fact is
that there are writers who can rise above that kind ofd writing when
dealing with people from other backgrounds and cultures.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:24 am
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"The Black Guardian" <blakgard.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message

> OMG! Leprechauns in Marvel's Ireland?! The next thing you'll be telling
> me is that Marvel has mythological gods, or abominable snowmen, or
> mermen, or centaurs, or elves and dwarves, or demons, or giants, or
> Tuatha de Danan, or...

I think it's more to do with him embodying every stereotype going; pipe
smoking, blarney speaking, alcoholic guy who just happens to have the onoly
leprechauns seen in the MU living in his castle.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:07 pm
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In message <1138438237.062327.313630.DeleteThis@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, The
Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> writes
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>OMG! Leprechauns in Marvel's Ireland?! The next thing you'll be telling
>me is that Marvel has mythological gods, or abominable snowmen, or
>mermen, or centaurs, or elves and dwarves, or demons, or giants, or
>Tuatha de Danan, or...

The point is that introducing leprechauns on the team's first visit to
Ireland is a boring and patronising stereotype.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:15 pm
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I read the Defenders and that's an elf if you're refering to what I'm
thinking you are,and yeah I did wonder about your second point as I
think heavy drinking was the only stereotype of Irishness they didn't
explore with Banshee.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:11 pm
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That's true. the stereotyping was far more limioted as Banshee evolved,
though. In GenX, it was his spy background that was emphasised. that's the
Banshee that should have survived.
Gerry
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>>OMG! Leprechauns in Marvel's Ireland?! The next thing you'll be telling me
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> The point is that introducing leprechauns on the team's first visit to
> Ireland is a boring and patronising stereotype.
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