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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:38 pm
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More choice bits from Jeff Goldberg's superb article in The New Yorker.

Required Reading for Intelligent People -- nubbins should ignore.

DSH
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March 18, 2005

"THE UNBRANDING"

by JEFFREY GOLDBERG

"Can the Democrats make themselves look tough?"

Issue of 2005-03-21
The New Yorker

"Joseph Biden, the senior senator from Delaware, is the Democratic
Party's main spokesman on international affairs; he is also a man who,
on occasion, seems not to know, when sentences leave his mouth, where
they are going or what they are meant to convey.

Sometimes, when he thinks that he may shock or amuse his listener, he
begins by stating, “I’m going to get in trouble if I say this,” or,
“This is a really outrageous thing to say, but . . . ”

And so when I asked Biden, as the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, and one of John Kerry’s chief advisers on foreign
policy during last year’s Presidential campaign, what advice he gave
Kerry on how to convince voters that he was tough, Biden laughed and
said, “I wish I could tell you. I wish I could tell you.” Then he
told me.

At sixty-two, Biden has a cheerful vanity and an exuberant restlessness
that make him seem far younger.

Since the election, he has become a leader of a modest-sized faction—
“the national-security Democrats,” in the words of Richard Holbrooke,
an ambassador to the United Nations under President Clinton — that
includes the most hawkish members in the Democratic Party.

Among them are Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the former
Vice-Presidential candidate John Edwards, Senator Evan Bayh, of Indiana,
and Governor Bill Richardson, of New Mexico, along with a number of
Clinton Administration foreign-policy officials, now in exile at think
tanks scattered about Washington."...
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"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."

Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:38 pm
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> More choice bits from Jeff Goldberg's superb article in The New
Yorker.
>
> Required Reading for Intelligent People -- nubbins should ignore.
>
> DSH
> ------------------------------
>
> ..."Biden can be eloquent in defense of his party, and in his
criticism
> of President Bush, but his friends worry that his verbal indiscipline
> will sabotage any chance he might have to win the Democratic
> Presidential nomination in 2008. (Biden is an interested, but
> undeclared, candidate.)
>
> On the question of Kerry's mettle in the last campaign, for
instance,
> Biden told me a story that was both entertaining and illuminating but
> did not capture the matter with complete accuracy.
>
> On October 29th, Biden said, he was campaigning for Kerry in
> Pennsylvania, the state in which he was born, when he heard, on the
> radio, that Osama bin Laden had issued a videotape in which he
belittled
> Bush and promised to continue to "bleed" America.
>
> Biden nearly panicked when he heard about the tape, he said, because
he
> worried that Kerry's reaction might seem tepid or petty. His
advice to
> Kerry throughout the campaign - which, he complained, went unheeded
much
> of the time - was to harden his message, to focus, as Bush was
doing, on
> terrorism alone: to sound, in short, more like the President and less
> like a Democratic senator from Massachusetts.
>
> Hilarious! VERY Difficult for Kerry, who feared the Hard-Left
Deaniacs
> might jump ship. Kerry also "did not want to abandon his "Liberal"
> roots." ---- DSH


It's more than hilarious, it's ROTL, as Internet lingo goes.
Since it was the Democratic "hawks" and their broadcast
and space TV outlets on the Washingtoon Beltway Government vendor
circuit,
not the Republican or Democratic parties, that started the
whole "terrorism" buisness to begin with.

So Biden is not really a Democratic Party Spokesmen.
He is their so-called "main stream" Democrat-Republican concensus
builder.
For the 1860 Post Office, the 1920 medicaire system,
and the 1960 Wyoming Condo upgrade action team,
So it surprises nobody that
he also just coincedently represents a burb of the
most wasted urban renewal area that ever
existed in all of human history:

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
With their Neo-Spectrum, and IRS regional office.
Who are also just coincentally located really
close to Micheal Jordan's Washington Capitol Beltway and lots
of really fancy Official NBA Santioned and Bill Clinton
Autographed Kanagroo Jogging-Skiing
Mall Of America Camaflauge Clothing Outlets.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:01 pm
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More choice bits from Jeff Goldberg's superb article in The New Yorker.

Required Reading for Intelligent People -- nubbins should ignore.

DSH
------------------------------

...."Biden can be eloquent in defense of his party, and in his criticism
of President Bush, but his friends worry that his verbal indiscipline
will sabotage any chance he might have to win the Democratic
Presidential nomination in 2008. (Biden is an interested, but
undeclared, candidate.)

On the question of Kerry’s mettle in the last campaign, for instance,
Biden told me a story that was both entertaining and illuminating but
did not capture the matter with complete accuracy.

On October 29th, Biden said, he was campaigning for Kerry in
Pennsylvania, the state in which he was born, when he heard, on the
radio, that Osama bin Laden had issued a videotape in which he belittled
Bush and promised to continue to “bleed” America.

Biden nearly panicked when he heard about the tape, he said, because he
worried that Kerry’s reaction might seem tepid or petty. His advice to
Kerry throughout the campaign — which, he complained, went unheeded much
of the time — was to harden his message, to focus, as Bush was doing, on
terrorism alone: to sound, in short, more like the President and less
like a Democratic senator from Massachusetts.

Hilarious! VERY Difficult for Kerry, who feared the Hard-Left Deaniacs
might jump ship. Kerry also "did not want to abandon his "Liberal"
roots." ---- DSH

“I’m listening to the radio,” Biden said. “‘Today’”— here he
adopted a radio announcer’s voice — “‘the President of the U.S. said
dah-dah, dah-dah, dah-dah, and he said he’s sure Senator Kerry agrees
with him. Senator Kerry, unable to resist a dig’— that’s what the
announcer said, that was the phrase — ‘said today had we acted’ — I’m
paraphrasing —‘had we acted properly in Tora Bora, we wouldn’t have
this problem.’”

Biden continued, “I’m on the phone, I e-mail, I say, ‘John, please,
say three things:

“How dare bin Laden speak of our President this way.”

No. 2, “I know how to deal with preventing another 9/11.”

No. 3, “Kill him.”’

"Now, that’s harsh. Kerry needed to be harsh."

"And it was — Jesus Christ.” Here Biden threw up his hands. “He
didn't make any of it. Let's get it straight. None of it. None of
those three points were made.”...
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"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."

Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor
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