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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:20 pm
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Fantastic, sharply funny even now given that it was first published in 1892,
its satire on suburban mundane life is as good now as it ever was. I didn't
know what to expect but I had tears of laughter from the bumbling yet
endearing Charles Pooter with his run ins with awkward tradesmen and dodgy
neighbours. Written originally in instalments for Punch magazine this spoof
Diary of the good natured clerk Pooter was written by George Grosssmith and
illustrated by his brother Weedon Goldsmith - the illustrations in the
modern penguin copy really bring the diary to life and are as funny as the
diary itself. Delightful minutiae of Victorian suburban life is bought to
the reader in this brilliantly paced diary and whilst I read I had Leonard
Rossiters 1970's TV sitcom character "Reginald Perrin" brought to mind
straight away. Lo and behold half way through I actually read the "Blurb" on
the back of the book and it said that the book was the forerunner of sitcoms
like "The rise and fall of Reginald Perrin" and "One foot in the grave".
Sharply witty yet absurd in places you can't help but feel for Mr Pooter
especially as some of his friends seem rather self obsessed and not friendly
at all. He never loses heart though and there is a great uplifting sense
throughout the diary that he will win through. Hilarious scenes at a meal he
thought was free and he didn't have enough money and junior clerks taking
the mickey out of his new trousers are just to of the laughs that inhabit
nearly every page. Superb slices of late Victorian life are brought to the
page, the clothing, the food and manners bring a reminder of how life used
to be like. When this was written it was current and modern so how well it
must have been received for us to be reading it now. Silly things like the
parlour games the stiff Victorians played before the advent of TV that are
now only played at children's parties make this a joy to read coupled with
Weedon's illustrations. I could not have hoped for a better and more
enjoyable read especially as I was feeling particularly down and the
gloriously upbeat ending after everything that Pooter goes through is
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:54 pm
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On 10/31/04 12:20 PM, in article cm3dsk$en5$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk, "notme"
<never.TakeThisOut@here.ok> wrote:
> Fantastic, sharply funny even now given that it was first published in 1892,
> its satire on suburban mundane life is as good now as it ever was. I didn't
> know what to expect but I had tears of laughter from the bumbling yet
> endearing Charles Pooter with his run ins with awkward tradesmen and dodgy
> neighbours. Written originally in instalments for Punch magazine this spoof
> Diary of the good natured clerk Pooter was written by George Grosssmith and
> illustrated by his brother Weedon Goldsmith - the illustrations in the
> modern penguin copy really bring the diary to life and are as funny as the
> diary itself. Delightful minutiae of Victorian suburban life is bought to
> the reader in this brilliantly paced diary and whilst I read I had Leonard
> Rossiters 1970's TV sitcom character "Reginald Perrin" brought to mind
> straight away. Lo and behold half way through I actually read the "Blurb" on
> the back of the book and it said that the book was the forerunner of sitcoms
> like "The rise and fall of Reginald Perrin" and "One foot in the grave".
>
> Sharply witty yet absurd in places you can't help but feel for Mr Pooter
> especially as some of his friends seem rather self obsessed and not friendly
> at all. He never loses heart though and there is a great uplifting sense
> throughout the diary that he will win through. Hilarious scenes at a meal he
> thought was free and he didn't have enough money and junior clerks taking
> the mickey out of his new trousers are just to of the laughs that inhabit
> nearly every page. Superb slices of late Victorian life are brought to the
> page, the clothing, the food and manners bring a reminder of how life used
> to be like. When this was written it was current and modern so how well it
> must have been received for us to be reading it now. Silly things like the
> parlour games the stiff Victorians played before the advent of TV that are
> now only played at children's parties make this a joy to read coupled with
> Weedon's illustrations. I could not have hoped for a better and more
> enjoyable read especially as I was feeling particularly down and the
> gloriously upbeat ending after everything that Pooter goes through is
> wonderful!!
Remember also that George Grossmith was the star of the
D'Oyle Carte Opera Company in the years of its glory and
was beautifully portrayed by Martin Savage in Mike Leigh's
remarkably well-researched *Topsy-Turvy*.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:08 am
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notme wrote:
> Fantastic, sharply funny even now given that it was first published in
1892,
> its satire on suburban mundane life is as good now as it ever was. I
didn't
> know what to expect but I had tears of laughter...
[snip]
I read this book earlier on this year and enjoyed it as well. Another comic
novel from the same period, Three Men In A Boat by Jerome K. Jerome, is also
a good read.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:18 pm
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"mick" <coughcough. DeleteThis @privacy.com> wrote in message
news:2ulgkbF2ca6okU1@uni-berlin.de...
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> notme wrote:
> > Fantastic, sharply funny even now given that it was first published in
> 1892,
> > its satire on suburban mundane life is as good now as it ever was. I
> didn't
> > know what to expect but I had tears of laughter...
>
> [snip]
>
> I read this book earlier on this year and enjoyed it as well. Another
comic
> novel from the same period, Three Men In A Boat by Jerome K. Jerome, is
also
> a good read.
>
Jerome K Jerome lived here in my home town Walsall. I shall have to read it
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:18 pm
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On 11/1/04 12:18 PM, in article cm65le$k4f$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk, "notme"
<never RemoveThis @here.ok> wrote:
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> "mick" <coughcough. RemoveThis @privacy.com> wrote in message
> news:2ulgkbF2ca6okU1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>
>> notme wrote:
>>> Fantastic, sharply funny even now given that it was first published in
>> 1892,
>>> its satire on suburban mundane life is as good now as it ever was. I
>> didn't
>>> know what to expect but I had tears of laughter...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> I read this book earlier on this year and enjoyed it as well. Another
> comic
>> novel from the same period, Three Men In A Boat by Jerome K. Jerome, is
> also
>> a good read.
>>
> Jerome K Jerome lived here in my home town Walsall. I shall have to read it
> as you are one of several people who have recommended 3 men in a boat.
It was JKJ who shopped Oscar Wilde and saw to it that
Lord Alfred Douglas' mad dad. the Marquis of Queensberry,
got to know What Was Going On.
ObDrama: Tom Stoppard's *The Invention of Love* which,
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:18 am
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The Talking Muir writes:
>ObDrama: Tom Stoppard's *The Invention of Love* which,
>with *Arcadia*, make up Syoppard's most accessible plays.
I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
Rage away,
meg
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:18 am
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On 11/1/04 6:18 PM, in article cm6qqa$c63$1@news.Stanford.EDU, "Meg Worley"
<meg RemoveThis @steam.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> The Talking Muir writes:
>> ObDrama: Tom Stoppard's *The Invention of Love* which,
>> with *Arcadia*, make up Syoppard's most accessible plays.
>
> I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
> a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
>
>
> Rage away,
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> meg
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:33 am
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I wrote, of Stoppard's *The Invention of Love*:
>> I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
>> a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
Francis writes:
>Amabo te.
Amabo? AmABo?!?! You mean you've been faking it for the last thirteen
years?
Or perhaps you're finally admitting that you're a big old girl and
saying "Oh, please!"?
ObBook: Dear Moreland, dear Fleischer -- good times, good times.
Rage away,
meg
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:35 pm
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On 11/1/04 9:33 PM, in article cm7672$l19$1@news.Stanford.EDU, "Meg Worley"
<meg DeleteThis @steam.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
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> I wrote, of Stoppard's *The Invention of Love*:
>>> I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
>>> a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
>
> Francis writes:
>> Amabo te.
>
> Amabo? AmABo?!?! You mean you've been faking it for the last thirteen
> years?
>
> Or perhaps you're finally admitting that you're a big old girl and
> saying "Oh, please!"?
>
> ObBook: Dear Moreland, dear Fleischer -- good times, good times.
>
>
>
> Rage away,
>
> meg
I know "amabo te" chiefly for its use at the end of a postscript
to a letter from Stephen Hewett, a Lieutenant in the Warwickshires,
to Cyril Bailey, his old tutor in the Classics at Balliol. Hewett
had gone to school at Downside where he ended up Captain of Cricket
and Head of the School. He then won the top scholarship to Balliol,
played hockey for Oxford against Cambridge, and took all three of
the top University Scolarships, the Craven, the Hertford, and the
Ireland. French, Latin & Greek explode out of his letters and in
this one he is in a particularly sentimental mood and ends up:
"Do write to me, Cyril, again and again, till your Lamachus returns,
"kai tois toioutois logois authis entuchometha". I shall keep your
letter.
Yours affectionately,
STEPHEN.
P.S. [stuff]. Amabo te."
Ambiguous of course and quite appropriate to *The Invention of Love*.
Let Cyril interpret how he may. Hewett was killed two or three weeks
later leading his men somewhere between High Wood and Delville Wood.
July 1916.
ObBook: *Le Crime & le Chatiment* by Dostoieffsky. "A book to keep
the old people from the fireside, children from play, and subalterns
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:18 pm
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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:33:22 +0000 (UTC), meg.RemoveThis@steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg
Worley) wrote:
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>I wrote, of Stoppard's *The Invention of Love*:
>>> I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
>>> a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
>
>Francis writes:
>>Amabo te.
>
>Amabo? AmABo?!?! You mean you've been faking it for the last thirteen
>years?
>
>Or perhaps you're finally admitting that you're a big old girl and
>saying "Oh, please!"?
>
>ObBook: Dear Moreland, dear Fleischer -- good times, good times.
ObSongwriters: Don and Phil Everly
There's a contemporary parody of "When Will I Be Loved" here:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/theeverlybrothers5.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/theeverlybrothers5.shtml</a>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:31 pm
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Meg Worley wrote:
> The Talking Muir writes:
>
>>ObDrama: Tom Stoppard's *The Invention of Love* which,
>>with *Arcadia*, make up Syoppard's most accessible plays.
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>
> I'm getting ready to teach *IoL* next week, as it happens --
> a play I might not have read were it not for you, old bean.
>
>
> Rage away,
>
> meg
>
>
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:50 am
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Paul writes:
>Is that really you ? Welcome back !
(Pinching myself to be sure)
Yes, it's really me, and thanks. I was swapping email with Herr
Doktor Latane on professional matters and thought I'd pop my head
in here to take a gander at the hardy old souls. When I saw Susan
Young posting, I reckoned it was safe to step out of the shadows.
ObHardy: Facing this slagheap of essays to grade, I must say that
Jude the Impure's life doesn't look so bad. Christminster calls....
Rage away,
meg
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:47 am
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Meg reemerged, thus:
>Yes, it's really me, and thanks. I was swapping email with Herr Doktor Latane
on professional matters and thought I'd pop my head in here to take a gander at
the hardy old souls. When I saw Susan
Young posting, I reckoned it was safe to step out of the shadows.>
Hello, Meg. Ain't no sunshine when you're gone.
The place has been a wasteland for months: naught but poseurs and shrill
highend bickering for the longest kind of time, which was tedious as hell, and
then some ninny arrived with a poke of trifling conundrums.
Oddly enuf, you have been on my mind lately. Might you have moment to listen to
a few lines of something rather pretty and tell me whether it sounds familiar?
I encountered it in reading a book privately published in Illinois in 1922, but
the author did not offer a reference, and I want to know more, ideally more
involving sound documentation. We are so far removed from my experience with
this that I am at a loss to know where to start, but I think it may be in your
line.
I did Google, yes.
Said to be a scrap of a carol sung circa 1500:
_For his love that bought us all dear
Listen lordlings that be here
And I will tell you in fere
Whereof came the Fleur de Lys.
On Christmas night, when it was cold
Our Lady lay among beasts bold
And there she bore Jesu, Joseph told.
And thereof came the Fleur de Lys.
Mary has borne the Fleur de Lys._
Sound familar? Seen it or any close variant in some respectable book?
Any insight would be very welcome.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:34 am
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O Furor writes:
>The place has been a wasteland for months: naught but poseurs and shrill
>highend bickering for the longest kind of time, which was tedious as hell, and
>then some ninny arrived with a poke of trifling conundrums.
The funny thing is that rab has been like that pretty much since
I started reading it (in 1990). We always had endless nattering
squabbles -- and back then we had cascades, which were torture.
Always a few gems made it all worthwhile.
>Oddly enuf, you have been on my mind lately. Might you have moment to listen to
>a few lines of something rather pretty and tell me whether it sounds familiar?
I should be able to find it in the Carleton Brown books (which are
here on my shelves), but I won't have time to attend to it until
after the weekend (off to Portland to give a paper, which I really
ought to start writing one of these hours). So stay tuned, if you
don't mind.
Rage away,
meg
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:25 am
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Meg observes:
>The funny thing is that rab has been like that pretty much since I started
reading it (in 1990). We always had endless nattering squabbles -- and back
then we had cascades, which were torture.
Always a few gems made it all worthwhile.
I recall a very fine stretch right about the time I started lurking six years
ago. In that time there was talk of all sorts of books, as well as food and
music and other civilized sport. There were more girls then, too. I have a
stash of RAB clippings squirreled away in my e-commonplace book: crotchets,
squabbles, quips, pouts, epiphanies, trouncings, and the occasional book title
or excerpt. Few were entered this year, although Joe Green's vernal poem as
posted by Muir was very wonderful, as was some highly endearing nonsense about
blatteroons.
>>I should be able to find it in the Carleton Brown books [....] So stay tuned,
if you
>don't mind.
Much obliged, and there is no hurry atoll. If, in return, you would care to
have my superb pimento cheese receipe, do speak.
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