Disappearing Army? LWW Movie Spoilers

Roberto Abajo wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
> news:44C5D075.1E47D2B3@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
>
> > At the end of the great battle between Peter's army and the Witch's
> > army, a huge horde of destoned reinforcements arrive from the Witch's
> > castle and sweep over her army (I liked the giant simply scooping
> > minotaurs out of his way). Just after Aslan eats the Witch for
> > lunch, the troops from the castle appear to go blurry and disappear
> > (I didn't see the huge crowd of destoned people after the battle).
> > Did Aslan Rapture most of the destonees (except for Tumnus, the Fox,
> > and that lion Edmund drew his Mark on) up to his Heaven after the
> > battle? If so, why? Why not simply allow them to complete their
> > interrupted lives in Narnia?
>
> The action of LW&W takes place at the very end of a century during
> which the Witch held Narnia in the worst part of the year, "...always
> Winter, but never Christmas." Therefore some of the 'destonees' must
> have been waiting a long time for Aslan, in fact were virtual 'Rip Van
> Winkles', having been stone for many animal generations. What kind of
> life do think they'd be able to make for themselves, with all their
> friends and family long gone and their interests and schooling both
> hopelessly out of date?

Interests and schooling out of date? I do hope that smiley is
indication
that you're simply joking.

> Seriously, I think it's a minor loose end which Lewis just left
> dangling.

Tim's constantly repeated objection solely concerns the movie, not
anything that Lewis wrote about.

Aris Katsaris
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"Aris Katsaris" <katsaris RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:1167024205.079734.238200
@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

....having been stone for many animal generations. What kind of
>> life do think they'd be able to make for themselves, with all their
>> friends and family long gone and their interests and schooling both
>> hopelessly out of date?
>
> Interests and schooling out of date? I do hope that smiley is
> indication that you're simply joking.

Well. yes -- I don't think that Lewis' Narnia (and hopefully the Narnia of
LWW) is the sort of place where that happens, especially to the brave
and/or good who had fallen afoul of the White Witch. I believe that few
things could make CSL bristle like the "out of date" objection.

>
>> Seriously, I think it's a minor loose end which Lewis just left
>> dangling.
>
> Tim's constantly repeated objection solely concerns the movie, not
> anything that Lewis wrote about.

You've got me on that one -- how could I have nade such an error?
Apologies.

I hadn't seen the LWW movie, but had in mind more Tolkien's objection that
Narnia "just wouldn't do", and thought that perhaps one of the reasons for
this opinion was the leaving of loose ends, something that is very rare in
Middle Earth.
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There ARE loose ends in book (Like this whole "revert age" thing, or
what happened before or what happened to those gnomes in stable etc).
But the mai problem are characters and story. Especially in books after
LWW, characters are flat, all depends on Aslan (others not doing much).
Not to speak about TLB, which had the most unsatisfying ending of
all...


Roberto Abajo wrote:
> "Aris Katsaris" <katsaris RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:1167024205.079734.238200
> @f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> ...having been stone for many animal generations. What kind of
> >> life do think they'd be able to make for themselves, with all their
> >> friends and family long gone and their interests and schooling both
> >> hopelessly out of date?
> >
> > Interests and schooling out of date? I do hope that smiley is
> > indication that you're simply joking.
>
> Well. yes -- I don't think that Lewis' Narnia (and hopefully the Narnia of
> LWW) is the sort of place where that happens, especially to the brave
> and/or good who had fallen afoul of the White Witch. I believe that few
> things could make CSL bristle like the "out of date" objection.
>
> >
> >> Seriously, I think it's a minor loose end which Lewis just left
> >> dangling.
> >
> > Tim's constantly repeated objection solely concerns the movie, not
> > anything that Lewis wrote about.
>
> You've got me on that one -- how could I have nade such an error?
> Apologies.
>
> I hadn't seen the LWW movie, but had in mind more Tolkien's objection that
> Narnia "just wouldn't do", and thought that perhaps one of the reasons for
> this opinion was the leaving of loose ends, something that is very rare in
> Middle Earth.
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SS13 wrote:
> There ARE loose ends in book (Like this whole "revert age" thing, or
> what happened before or what happened to those gnomes in stable etc).
> But the mai problem are characters and story. Especially in books after
> LWW, characters are flat, all depends on Aslan (others not doing much).
> Not to speak about TLB, which had the most unsatisfying ending of
> all...

That doesn't seem to me to be a fair judgment for either The Silver
Chair,
nor The Magician's Nephew, nor The Horse And His Boy. In these three
(which are my favourite books in the series), the characters seem to be
doing much more, and behaving much more actively and independently
(even from Aslan) than in LWW.

-Aris Katsaris
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Yes, but look at "Prince Caspian"! Or in TLB - people not knowing they
are dead!
Aris Katsaris wrote:
> SS13 wrote:
> > There ARE loose ends in book (Like this whole "revert age" thing, or
> > what happened before or what happened to those gnomes in stable etc).
> > But the mai problem are characters and story. Especially in books after
> > LWW, characters are flat, all depends on Aslan (others not doing much).
> > Not to speak about TLB, which had the most unsatisfying ending of
> > all...
>
> That doesn't seem to me to be a fair judgment for either The Silver
> Chair,
> nor The Magician's Nephew, nor The Horse And His Boy. In these three
> (which are my favourite books in the series), the characters seem to be
> doing much more, and behaving much more actively and independently
> (even from Aslan) than in LWW.
>
> -Aris Katsaris
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The problem: Lewis sometimes CHEATS... and this makes stories
unsatisfying. The examples are told above. Just note HOW little does
everything Pevensies do matter in, say, "Caspian". Or: betray Aslan for
sweeties, and be forgiven; betray Him for nylons - and be damned...
SS13 wrote:


Aris Katsaris wrote:
> SS13 wrote:
> > There ARE loose ends in book (Like this whole "revert age" thing, or
> > what happened before or what happened to those gnomes in stable etc).
> > But the mai problem are characters and story. Especially in books after
> > LWW, characters are flat, all depends on Aslan (others not doing much).
> > Not to speak about TLB, which had the most unsatisfying ending of
> > all...
>
> That doesn't seem to me to be a fair judgment for either The Silver
> Chair,
> nor The Magician's Nephew, nor The Horse And His Boy. In these three
> (which are my favourite books in the series), the characters seem to be
> doing much more, and behaving much more actively and independently
> (even from Aslan) than in LWW.
>
> -Aris Katsaris
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"SS13" <sagron.DeleteThis@freenet.de> wrote in
news:1168723887.206914.308760@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

So you've cast your vote with Tolkien, then, but perhaps for a different
reason. You wish the stories were more satisfying, as you've said, maybe
because the conceit as a whole is so entrancing that you wish suspending
disbelief in it did not entail accepting certain things that your critical
sense tells you should be different?

I myself wouldn't use so strong a word as "cheats" - is it cheating because
Mark Twain wrote *Huckleberry Finn* without apparently opening *Tom
Sawyer*, thus introducing some irreconcilable discrepancies? (E.g.
"Watson's" Jim, whom I seem to remember from TS as a very minor character
around the protagonist's age, in the sequel--which is set about a year
later-has become a grown man with a wife and children somewhere, who
themselves form yet another reason for his fleeing slavery in the first
place.)

RA


> The problem: Lewis sometimes CHEATS... and this makes stories
> unsatisfying. The examples are told above. Just note HOW little does
> everything Pevensies do matter in, say, "Caspian". Or: betray Aslan
> for sweeties, and be forgiven; betray Him for nylons - and be
> damned... SS13 wrote:
>
>
> Aris Katsaris wrote:
>> SS13 wrote:
>> > There ARE loose ends in book (Like this whole "revert age" thing,
>> > or what happened before or what happened to those gnomes in stable
>> > etc). But the mai problem are characters and story. Especially in
>> > books after LWW, characters are flat, all depends on Aslan (others
>> > not doing much). Not to speak about TLB, which had the most
>> > unsatisfying ending of all...
>>
>> That doesn't seem to me to be a fair judgment for either The Silver
>> Chair,
>> nor The Magician's Nephew, nor The Horse And His Boy. In these three
>> (which are my favourite books in the series), the characters seem to
>> be doing much more, and behaving much more actively and independently
>> (even from Aslan) than in LWW.
>>
>> -Aris Katsaris
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