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noone5

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:03 am
Post subject: Where do Dors Venabili come from?
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..I would like to know how Daneel built Dors. It seemed to me the positronic brain was very
difficult to make. Did Daneel have the skills to replicate a brain like his own?
And make more sophisticated brains for him too, thousands of times more complex than the
original one? And Where? On the moon? Why he didn't share the ability to control other's
minds with other robots in case of total block (like Giskard)?
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Giovanni Cenati (Aosta, Italy)
Write to user "nnever" and domain "@katamail.com"

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:54 pm
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nnever (at) katamail. com dice...
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 > .I would like to know how Daneel built Dors. It seemed to me the positronic brain was very
 > difficult to make. Did Daneel have the skills to replicate a brain like his own?
 > And make more sophisticated brains for him too, thousands of times more complex than the
 > original one? And Where? On the moon? Why he didn't share the ability to control other's
 > minds with other robots in case of total block (like Giskard)?

I remember vaguely that someone stated that Dors was part of the
original batch made at Aurora by Fastolfe's foe <can't remember the
name>. But maybe it was in one of the three BBB non-asimov sequels to
foundation.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:35 pm
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"nnever (at) katamail. com" wrote:

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> difficult to make. Did Daneel have the skills to replicate a brain like his own?
> And make more sophisticated brains for him too, thousands of times more complex than the
> original one? And Where? On the moon? Why he didn't share the ability to control other's
> minds with other robots in case of total block (like Giskard)?

Maybe Daneel hacked into Fastolfe's files to obtain the blue prints on humaniform robots, or
Giskard told Daneel how to make more humaniform robots (Giskard having stolen the information
from Fastolfe's brain).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:40 pm
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"nnever (at) katamail. com" wrote:

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> .I would like to know how Daneel built Dors. It seemed to me the positronic brain was very
> difficult to make. Did Daneel have the skills to replicate a brain like his own?
> And make more sophisticated brains for him too, thousands of times more complex than the
> original one? And Where? On the moon? Why he didn't share the ability to control other's
> minds with other robots in case of total block (like Giskard)?

Daneel could have gotten the information by examining and testing the
humaniform robots Amadiro made.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:32 am
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In Foundation and Earth, Daneel claimed to have designed his own
positronic brains.
Being the most complex in the world , with random access to 20,000
years of memory, this is no small feat.
Foundation and Earth is set at 500 years, Foundation Era, and daneels
last brain was a few hundred (2-300?) years old.
It is not inconceivable that he designed Dors' brain himself.
But there is no need to claim that. He had considerable powers and
influence, in both his own stead, (mental powers) and through that of
his alter egos (conventional power). He headed a group of robots (and
men?) that were the hidden powers. He could have even influenced the
personnel at the robotics institute in Aurora to deliver him the plans,
or to build them for him.


Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > And make more sophisticated brains for him too, thousands of times more complex than the
> > original one? And Where? On the moon? Why he didn't share the ability to control other's
> > minds with other robots in case of total block (like Giskard)?
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> Daneel could have gotten the information by examining and testing the
> humaniform robots Amadiro made.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:18 pm
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
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my question is different: where is NOW Dors Venabili?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:52 pm
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Ammammata wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
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The last we know, Dors had suffered a complete mental freezeout due to
having killed a man.
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