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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:40 pm
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I recently purchased a volume purporting to contain three novels by
George MacDonald. They turned out to be "edited for today's reader". Out
of curiosity, I checked a sample passage that caught my interest against
the original text via Google Books. Here is the result:

Thomas Wingfold, Curate

pp. 226-27

From a sad accident of his childhood, he had become acquainted with
something of the influences of a certain baneful drug, to the use of
which one of his attendants was addicted, and now at college, partly
from curiosity, partly from a desire to undergo its effects, but chiefly
in order to escape from ever-gnawing and passionate thought, he began to
make _experiments_ in its use. Experiment called for repetition--in
order to verification, said the fiend,--and repetition led first to a
longing after its effects, and next to a mad appetite for the thing
itself; so that, by the time of which my narrative treats, he was on the
verge of absolute slavery to its use, and in imminent peril of having to
pass the rest of his life in alternations of ecstasy and agony, divided
by dull spaces of misery, the ecstasies growing rarer and rarer, and the
agonies more and more frequent, intense and lasting; until at length the
dethroned Apollo found himself chained to a pillar of his own ruined
temple, which the sirocco was fast filling with desert sand.

Retitled and "edited for today's reader":

The Curate of Glaston

pp. 60-61

From a tragic accident of his childhood, he had become acquainted with
the influences of a certain baneful drug, to which one of his Indian
attendants was addicted. Now at college, partly from curiosity but
chiefly to escape from gnawing and passionate thought about Emmeline, he
began to experiment with it. Experiment called for repetition, and
repetition led first to a longing after its effects, and next to a mad
appetite for the thing itself. By the time of my narrative he was on the
verge of absolute slavery to its use.

*****

I open the field for comment as to what this implies about "today's reader".

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zhiba. All Nyug bosom. Konch-hog not; Thyan-Kam
not; Lha-Chohan not; Tenbrel Chugnyi not;
Dharmakaya ceased; Tgenchang not become; Barnang
and Ssa in Ngovonyidj; alone Tho-og Yinsin in
night of Sun-chan and Yong-grub (Parinishpanna),
&c., &c.,"
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:36 pm
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That's really weird

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:01 am
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Most of it is simplication and toning down of what today might seem
over-dramatic, but WTF is :"Indian attendent" about? Did the
translator used to have a beter-paying job that got offshored?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:40 am
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Mike Schilling wrote:
> Most of it is simplication and toning down of what today might seem
> over-dramatic, but WTF is :"Indian attendent" about? Did the
> translator used to have a beter-paying job that got offshored?

The character had had servants in India.

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Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:46 am
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Dan Clore <clore RemoveThis @columbia-center.org> wrote in
news:47F5BF42.5090201@columbia-center.org:

> I open the field for comment as to what this implies about
"today's reader".

He's a subscriber to Reader's Digest Select Editions.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:44 am
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Dan Clore <clore RemoveThis @columbia-center.org> wrote:

>I open the field for comment as to what this implies about "today's reader".

And why not comments on what it implies for yesterdays?

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:24 am
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On Apr 4, 1:01 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Most of it is simplication and toning down of what today might seem
> over-dramatic, but WTF is :"Indian attendent" about?  Did the
> translator used to have a beter-paying job that got offshored?

That is the point, it was overly boring and 'information overload'
narrative that was bogging a concept which modern people are more
familiar with these days.

I'll probably have people with shotguns showing up at my house, but
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy is in serious need of a modern rewrite
to be relevant for todays audience.

J.R.R. Tolkien's writing style is very, very dry and bogged down
greatly.

Arthur
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:33 am
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"Dan Clore" <clore.DeleteThis@columbia-center.org> wrote in message
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>
> I recently purchased a volume purporting to contain three novels by George
> MacDonald. They turned out to be "edited for today's reader". Out of
> curiosity, I checked a sample passage that caught my interest against the
> original text via Google Books. Here is the result:


My opinion - it's simply because most people are more familiar with the
course of events of addiction these days, whereas it didn't even appear on
the radar of the "great unwashed" ?

Barb UK
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:50 am
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In article <47F5BF42.5090201 DeleteThis @columbia-center.org>,
Dan Clore <clore DeleteThis @columbia-center.org> wrote:

> I recently purchased a volume purporting to contain three novels by
> George MacDonald. They turned out to be "edited for today's reader". Out
> of curiosity, I checked a sample passage that caught my interest against
> the original text via Google Books. Here is the result:
>
> Thomas Wingfold, Curate
>
> pp. 226-27
>
> From a sad accident of his childhood, he had become acquainted with
> something of the influences of a certain baneful drug, to the use of
> which one of his attendants was addicted, and now at college, partly
> from curiosity, partly from a desire to undergo its effects, but chiefly
> in order to escape from ever-gnawing and passionate thought, he began to
> make _experiments_ in its use. Experiment called for repetition--in
> order to verification, said the fiend,--and repetition led first to a
> longing after its effects, and next to a mad appetite for the thing
> itself; so that, by the time of which my narrative treats, he was on the
> verge of absolute slavery to its use, and in imminent peril of having to
> pass the rest of his life in alternations of ecstasy and agony, divided
> by dull spaces of misery, the ecstasies growing rarer and rarer, and the
> agonies more and more frequent, intense and lasting; until at length the
> dethroned Apollo found himself chained to a pillar of his own ruined
> temple, which the sirocco was fast filling with desert sand.
>
> Retitled and "edited for today's reader":
>
> The Curate of Glaston
>
> pp. 60-61
>
> From a tragic accident of his childhood, he had become acquainted with
> the influences of a certain baneful drug, to which one of his Indian
> attendants was addicted. Now at college, partly from curiosity but
> chiefly to escape from gnawing and passionate thought about Emmeline, he
> began to experiment with it. Experiment called for repetition, and
> repetition led first to a longing after its effects, and next to a mad
> appetite for the thing itself. By the time of my narrative he was on the
> verge of absolute slavery to its use.
>
> *****
>
> I open the field for comment as to what this implies about "today's reader".

Presumably that "today's reader" needs everything dumbed down, I'd say.

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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:53 am
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In article
<0678e0e4-2e47-4e21-87e0-a3ed85b17313.RemoveThis@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Arthur Hansen <arthurh3535.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 4, 1:01 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Most of it is simplication and toning down of what today might seem
> > over-dramatic, but WTF is :"Indian attendent" about?  Did the
> > translator used to have a beter-paying job that got offshored?
>
> That is the point, it was overly boring and 'information overload'
> narrative that was bogging a concept which modern people are more
> familiar with these days.
>
> I'll probably have people with shotguns showing up at my house, but
> The Lord of the Rings Trilogy is in serious need of a modern rewrite
> to be relevant for todays audience.
>
> J.R.R. Tolkien's writing style is very, very dry and bogged down
> greatly.
>
> Arthur

AHA ! A "modern reader", obviously. You like your Mark Twain abridged,
I take it? And I shudder to think how you want Shakespeare rewritten.

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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:57 am
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On Apr 4, 12:12 pm, Gene Ward Smith <g....RemoveThis@chewbacca.org> wrote:
> erilar <dra....RemoveThis@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in news:drache-
> CB1E6A.11532204042....RemoveThis@news.airstreamcomm.net:
>
> > And I shudder to think how you want Shakespeare rewritten.
>
> Here's something from Timon of Athens translated into Zemblan
> and back again:
>
> The sun is a thief: she lures the sea
> and robs it. The moon is a thief:
> he steals his silvery light from the sun.
> The sea is a thief: it dissolves the moon.

That's actually quite lovely. Needs some help with its cadence, but
unless you're familiar with the original, it could probably get
slipped into a volume of poetry without notice.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:25 pm
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I'm with Francis.

The modern version seems to put all its eggs in the "information
supply" basket. It's telling you "the facts, ma'am," and not much
more, while the original version "shows" you . . . it gives the reader
something of the feeling of -- well, maybe not addiction itself, but
the thought processes and excuses of the addict.


-- David Loftus
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:07 pm
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Arthur Hansen <arthurh3535.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:0678e0e4-2e47-4e21-
87e0-a3ed85b17313.RemoveThis@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 4, 1:01 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Most of it is simplication and toning down of what today might seem
>> over-dramatic, but WTF is :"Indian attendent" about?  Did the
>> translator used to have a beter-paying job that got offshored?
>
> That is the point, it was overly boring and 'information overload'
> narrative that was bogging a concept which modern people are more
> familiar with these days.
>
> I'll probably have people with shotguns showing up at my house, but
> The Lord of the Rings Trilogy is in serious need of a modern rewrite
> to be relevant for todays audience.
>
> J.R.R. Tolkien's writing style is very, very dry and bogged down
> greatly.
>
> Arthur

In other words, readers today are too lazy to actually invest any effort in
reading, so we should dumb down all the world's great literature so that
it's just as easy as television.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:16 pm
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Barb wrote:
> "Dan Clore" <clore.DeleteThis@columbia-center.org> wrote in message
> news:47F5BF42.5090201@columbia-center.org...
>> I recently purchased a volume purporting to contain three novels by George
>> MacDonald. They turned out to be "edited for today's reader". Out of
>> curiosity, I checked a sample passage that caught my interest against the
>> original text via Google Books. Here is the result:
>
>
> My opinion - it's simply because most people are more familiar with the
> course of events of addiction these days, whereas it didn't even appear on
> the radar of the "great unwashed" ?
>
> Barb UK
>
>

The original text was not intended to be instructive. What
it was doing was depicting the self-justifications the
character employed at each stage. The text is concerned
with the ease with which the character slipped into
self-deception.

The modern editors (1) had no appreciation for that
subtlety, and (2) figured that the "modern reader" had no
appreciation or patience for leisurely narrative. The
latter is unfortunately probably true. We see it in the
pace of movies as well. Young people find the pace of older
movies far too slow. For instance, compare even the 1988
movie "The Bourne Identity" (with Richard Chamberlain) with
the 2002 version (with Matt Damon). Here was a book that
went at a fast pace, but the 2002 movie version was so fast
as to leave no time for reflection, which the 1988 movie did.


Francis A. Miniter
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:07 pm
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Dan Clore <clore.RemoveThis@columbia-center.org> writes:


>Thomas Wingfold, Curate

>pp. 226-27

> Experiment called for repetition--in
>order to verification, said the fiend,--and repetition led first to a
>longing after its effects, and next to a mad appetite for the thing
>itself; ...
----

>I open the field for comment as to what this implies about "today's reader".

I'm still hung up on ``in order to verification'', actually.

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