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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:44 am
Post subject: Emma Frost: criminal?
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It just occurred to me... I reread _Astonishing X-Men_ #3, where
Scott Summers discusses current mutant issues with Nick Fury,
head of SHIELD. The topic comes up of villains currently or
previously harboured by the X-Men. Magneto is mentioned. So is
Emma Frost.
But wait, back in _New Mutants_ #40 I think, Miss Frost was
sufficiently "in" with the establishment, probably including
SHIELD, that she was able to call in The Avengers to save her
school from... um, the mutant villain, Magneto. Who was actually a
fairly firm good guy at the time. Never mind.
My question is, has she, in fact, done anything since then to make
either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
That is to say, has she done anything public? Let's see. I missed
some stuff, but she co-ran the Generation X school; then she went
to Genosha and taught kids there. Does working in Genosha
make you officially a bad guy?
Now, Juggernaut could have been mentioned, although he
doesn't appear in _Astonishing_, but in _Re-Adjectiveless_. On
the other hand, Scott isn't sleeping with Juggernaut, as far as we
and Nick Fury know. He's only sleeping with Emma Frost. So it
isn't so much of a zinger. Come to think, there's probably slash
fiction online, and if there is then Nick Fury can use a search
engine as well as I can.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:13 am
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
> My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy to more
information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot about
the Hellfire Club's past operations.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:46 am
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Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message news:<YIY9OpAe3TKBFw9E.DeleteThis@redjac.demon.co.uk>...
> It just occurred to me... I reread _Astonishing X-Men_ #3, where
> Scott Summers discusses current mutant issues with Nick Fury,
> head of SHIELD. The topic comes up of villains currently or
> previously harboured by the X-Men. Magneto is mentioned. So is
> Emma Frost.
>
> But wait, back in _New Mutants_ #40 I think, Miss Frost was
> sufficiently "in" with the establishment, probably including
> SHIELD, that she was able to call in The Avengers to save her
> school from... um, the mutant villain, Magneto. Who was actually a
> fairly firm good guy at the time. Never mind.
Magneto's reformation was in doubt. She called the police, who went
through proper channels to contact the Avengers.
JLB
>
> My question is, has she, in fact, done anything since then to make
> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
> That is to say, has she done anything public? Let's see. I missed
> some stuff, but she co-ran the Generation X school; then she went
> to Genosha and taught kids there. Does working in Genosha
> make you officially a bad guy?
>
> Now, Juggernaut could have been mentioned, although he
> doesn't appear in _Astonishing_, but in _Re-Adjectiveless_. On
> the other hand, Scott isn't sleeping with Juggernaut, as far as we
> and Nick Fury know. He's only sleeping with Emma Frost. So it
> isn't so much of a zinger. Come to think, there's probably slash
> fiction online, and if there is then Nick Fury can use a search
> engine as well as I can.
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:15 pm
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"Robert Carnegie" <rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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> It just occurred to me... I reread _Astonishing X-Men_ #3, where
> Scott Summers discusses current mutant issues with Nick Fury,
> head of SHIELD. The topic comes up of villains currently or
> previously harboured by the X-Men. Magneto is mentioned. So is
> Emma Frost.
Maybe a bit of foreshadowing on Whedon's part?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:02 pm
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blakgard.TakeThisOut@aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message news:<20040822231342.28913.00001553.TakeThisOut@mb-m26.aol.com>...
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
> > either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
>
> The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy to more
> information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot about
> the Hellfire Club's past operations.
More than the Avengers? I'm with Robert - I think this is something of a goof.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:01 pm
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"David Henry" <telemachus7.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message news:<jaWdnbKWSqTVu7fcRVn-sg.RemoveThis@comcast.com>...
> "Robert Carnegie" <rja.carnegie.RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:YIY9OpAe3TKBFw9E@redjac.demon.co.uk...
> > It just occurred to me... I reread _Astonishing X-Men_ #3, where
> > Scott Summers discusses current mutant issues with Nick Fury,
> > head of SHIELD. The topic comes up of villains currently or
> > previously harboured by the X-Men. Magneto is mentioned. So is
> > Emma Frost.
>
> Maybe a bit of foreshadowing on Whedon's part?
>
> Dave
Given Whedon's penchant for foreshadowing it wouldn't surprise me if
this is setting up something major at the end of his run. How long
did he sign for anyway, two years?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:37 pm
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>From: Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie.TakeThisOut@excite.com
>But wait, back in _New Mutants_ #40 I think, Miss Frost was
>sufficiently "in" with the establishment, probably including
>SHIELD, that she was able to call in The Avengers to save her
>school from... um, the mutant villain, Magneto.
I don't get it. The Avengers wouldn't let one villian just beat the hell out of
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:25 pm
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"Addison Godel" <agodel DeleteThis @ummagurau.com> wrote in message
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> blakgard DeleteThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message
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> > Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > > My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
> > > either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
> >
> > The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy to
more
> > information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot
about
> > the Hellfire Club's past operations.
>
> More than the Avengers? I'm with Robert - I think this is something of a
goof.
>
More than the Avengers at that point. Now, of course, it's likely to be a
different story (as Firestar was a member). Read it as Firestar's briefing to
the Avengers was passed on to SHIELD, if you prefer.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:06 am
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The Black Guardian wrote:
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
>> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
>
> The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy
> to more information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD
> knows a lot about the Hellfire Club's past operations.
They could also get her (and Banshee) for breaking into a SHIELD facility in
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:09 am
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Lots42 The Library Avenger wrote:
>> From: Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie RemoveThis @excite.com
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>> But wait, back in _New Mutants_ #40 I think, Miss Frost was
>> sufficiently "in" with the establishment, probably including
>> SHIELD, that she was able to call in The Avengers to save her
>> school from... um, the mutant villain, Magneto.
>
> I don't get it. The Avengers wouldn't let one villian just beat the
> hell out of another, even if both sides were bad.
At the time the Avengers had no clue Frost was anything other than what she
claimed to be, headmistress of an internationally respected private school
that had a long and proper history, Wasp even cmments she nearly went there
when she was younger. She simply said that known terrorist Magneto (Which is
accurate) had threatened to harm the children in her care (The fact they
were the New Mutants was also unknown to the Avengers)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:58 am
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Addison Godel wrote:
>>> My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
>>> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
>>
>> The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy to more
>> information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot
>> about the Hellfire Club's past operations.
>
> More than the Avengers?
Hell yes! Everything the Avengers know, SHIELD should pretty much know, plus
lots, lots more.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:58 am
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blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message news:<20040823175832.05810.00002334 RemoveThis @mb-m27.aol.com>...
> Addison Godel wrote:
> >>> My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to make
> >>> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
> >>
> >> The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy to more
> >> information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot
> >> about the Hellfire Club's past operations.
> >
> > More than the Avengers?
>
> Hell yes! Everything the Avengers know, SHIELD should pretty much know, plus
> lots, lots more.
Okay, yeah, I'll pretty much buy that.  And the Firestar angle
also works. But still, if Emma's such a "known criminal," why isn't
anybody *doing* anything about it? It makes Nick sound sort of
ineffectual where the X-Men's affairs are concerned - is he going to
let things slide or not?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:54 am
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In article <412a4500_2 DeleteThis @mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
Donnacha DeLong <donnacha DeleteThis @NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com>
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>"Addison Godel" <agodel DeleteThis @ummagurau.com> wrote in message
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>> blakgard DeleteThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message
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>> > Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> > > My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to
>> > > make either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as
>> > > a villain? The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick
>> > > Fury, however, are privy to more information than the man
>> > > in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a lot about
>> > > the Hellfire Club's past operations.
>>
>> More than the Avengers? I'm with Robert - I think this is
>> something of a goof.
>>
>More than the Avengers at that point. Now, of course, it's likely to
>be a different story (as Firestar was a member). Read it as
>Firestar's briefing to the Avengers was passed on to SHIELD, if
>you prefer.
Oh, guess who forgot about Firestar... yours truly. That works.
Mind you, I have zero problem with SHIELD knowing a lot of stuff
that the Avengers don't. SHIELD spends time on investigation.
The Avengers spend time on costume design.
Captain America has this love-hate relationship with SHIELD...
hey, weren't they a world security organisation at one point? I can
see they're exclusively American now. Having said that, I do also
recall that there was a British equivalent to SHIELD, named
STRIKE, and it went bad. All right, I admit it: I don't know anything.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:04 am
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"Addison Godel" <agodel.RemoveThis@ummagurau.com> wrote in message
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> blakgard.RemoveThis@aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message
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> > Addison Godel wrote:
> > >>> My question is, has [Emma], in fact, done anything since then to
make
> > >>> either SHIELD or the man in the street identify her as a villain?
> > >>
> > >> The man in the street? No. SHIELD and Nick Fury, however, are privy
to more
> > >> information than the man in the street. I'm sure that SHIELD knows a
lot
> > >> about the Hellfire Club's past operations.
> > >
> > > More than the Avengers?
> >
> > Hell yes! Everything the Avengers know, SHIELD should pretty much know,
plus
> > lots, lots more.
>
> Okay, yeah, I'll pretty much buy that. And the Firestar angle
> also works. But still, if Emma's such a "known criminal," why isn't
> anybody *doing* anything about it? It makes Nick sound sort of
> ineffectual where the X-Men's affairs are concerned - is he going to
> let things slide or not?
>
>
well, he's never made much of a stink about Rogue being an X-Man in all
these years, and some of the villainous things she pulled were more
obviously under their jurisdiction (and IIRC, on their helicarrier) than
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:08 am
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Toby Nieboer wrote:
>>> It just occurred to me... I reread _Astonishing X-Men_ #3, where
>>> Scott Summers discusses current mutant issues with Nick Fury,
>>> head of SHIELD. The topic comes up of villains currently or
>>> previously harboured by the X-Men. Magneto is mentioned. So is
>>> Emma Frost.
>>
>> Maybe a bit of foreshadowing on Whedon's part?
>
> Given Whedon's penchant for foreshadowing it wouldn't surprise me if
> this is setting up something major at the end of his run. How long
> did he sign for anyway, two years?
1 year... though what I've heard is that it could be longer. It would really
depend on what Whedon has planned in Hollywood.
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