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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:58 am
Post subject: End Of Eternity And Time Travel
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In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
way to the end of the world.
What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:25 am
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
> >way to the end of the world.
> >
> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
> time.
IIRC Harlan met himself once, so it should be possible to travel
through physiotime. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:46 am
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
>Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
>passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
>physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
>Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
>taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
>Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
>obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
>way to the end of the world.
>
>What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
>Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:51 am
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On 31 Aug 2006 01:25:41 -0700, "serg271" <aocratfx RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>David Johnston wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
>> <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
>> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
>> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
>> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
>> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
>> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
>> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
>> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
>> >way to the end of the world.
>> >
>> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
>> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>>
>> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
>> time.
>
>IIRC Harlan met himself once, so it should be possible to travel
>through physiotime.
Not that I recall. And I'm not sure what it would mean to travel
through "physiotime" anyway since "physiotime" is just the aging that
the time traveller undergoes. >> Stay informed about: End Of Eternity And Time Travel |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:26 pm
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"serg271" <aocratfx DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> IIRC Harlan met himself once,
And said "You're Andrew Harlan? You're not so much!"
> so it should be possible to travel
> through physiotime.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:02 pm
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In article <608df2dhl10f9k1ge6fab1aqoo93d4vft6.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, David Johnston <rgorman.TakeThisOut@block.net> wrote:
>On 31 Aug 2006 01:25:41 -0700, "serg271" <aocratfx.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>>David Johnston wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
>>> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
>>> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
>>> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
>>> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
>>> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
>>> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
>>> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
>>> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
>>> >way to the end of the world.
>>> >
>>> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
>>> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>>>
>>> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
>>> time.
>>
>>IIRC Harlan met himself once, so it should be possible to travel
>>through physiotime.
>
>Not that I recall. And I'm not sure what it would mean to travel
>through "physiotime" anyway since "physiotime" is just the aging that
>the time traveller undergoes.
He was checking up on Noyse IIRC and slightly misjudged his exit into
RealTime, though it was more his present self found himself entering a room
just as an earlier self was leaving in a hurry so he wouldn't be spotted by
the unexpected intruder coming in... He didn't actually see himself as I
recall it.
--
John Fairhurst
john.TakeThisOut@johnsbooks.co.uk
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:40 am
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David Johnston wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2006 01:25:41 -0700, "serg271" <aocratfx RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >
> >David Johnston wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
> >> <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
> >> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
> >> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
> >> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
> >> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
> >> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
> >> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
> >> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
> >> >way to the end of the world.
> >> >
> >> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> >> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
> >>
> >> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
> >> time.
> >
> >IIRC Harlan met himself once, so it should be possible to travel
> >through physiotime.
>
> Not that I recall. And I'm not sure what it would mean to travel
> through "physiotime" anyway since "physiotime" is just the aging that
> the time traveller undergoes.
But in Eternity, there is a bunch of time travellers together - and
time passes for all of them apparently at the same rate - and
direction.
What would have happened if Harlan had returned into Eternity at an
early Physiotime period, so that there would be two Harlans different
time slices living together in Eternity with the other Eternals? >> Stay informed about: End Of Eternity And Time Travel |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:58 am
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Mike Schilling wrote:
> "serg271" <aocratfx.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > IIRC Harlan met himself once,
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> And said "You're Andrew Harlan? You're not so much!"
>
> > so it should be possible to travel
> > through physiotime.
Ha.
I've seen some claims that Andrew's name is a Tuckerization of Ellison,
but that means Asimov though well enough of Ellison to do so within
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:31 am
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
> >way to the end of the world.
> >
> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
> time.
What if the Eternals generated a Temporal Field inside the Eternity
Temporal Field? Would that enable them to travel back to an
earlier physiotime? >> Stay informed about: End Of Eternity And Time Travel |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:59 am
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tsbrueni DeleteThis @dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
> David Johnston wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:58:58 -0700, Tim Bruening
>> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> >In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
>> >Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
>> >passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
>> >physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
>> >Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
>> >taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
>> >Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
>> >obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
>> >way to the end of the world.
>> >
>> >What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
>> >Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>>
>> Nothing. You can't travel through the time it takes to travel through
>> time.
>
> What if the Eternals generated a Temporal Field inside the Eternity
> Temporal Field? Would that enable them to travel back to an
> earlier physiotime?
Epistemology is proscribed in demon.local
Please see the FAQ. It's a good idea to read a while before posting.
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> Checking your headers is a good idea too.
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> 3ch
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> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, ah wrote:
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>> Epistemology is proscribed in demon.local
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>> Please see the FAQ. It's a good idea to read a while before posting.
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In Eternity, which is a big temporal field outside Reality in which the
Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
way to the end of the world.
What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
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In alt.books.isaac-asimov Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
: What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
: Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
reversible.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:41 pm
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On Jun 18, 4:00 am, schu....DeleteThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In alt.books.isaac-asimov Tim Bruening <tsbru....DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> : What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> : Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
> of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
> reversible.
At one point, Harlan almost encounters a later version of himself (and
of course, he later on almost encounters an earlier version.) Suppose
they step into into Eternity together at the same time; where will
they go? Either one will end up in an earlier physiotime, or one will
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