The End of Eternity

Matt Giwer <jull43 RemoveThis @tampabay.REMover.rr.com> writes:

> And how could anyone know Citizen Kane's last word was Rosebud?

Perhaps if there were a person -- a majordomo, let us call him --
who was listening to Kane's final moments, and who -- hypothesizing here
-- were to hear the final words and to hear the globe crashing out of the
dying Kane's hands, then it just -- possibly -- might be possible if some
persons -- let's call them 'reporters' -- were to ask the person who did
hear Kane's last words what Kane's last words were, for people who were
*not* present to still know what Kane's dying word was.

Why, our plucky young protagonist might even talk to this
'majordomo', confirming the source of the data. If only there had been
a scene to this effect in the movie ...

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Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>> In this book by Isaac Asimov, a time traveling culture called Eternity
>>> keeps changing Earth's history to eliminate disasters. The time fields
>>> needed to create Eternity were first discovered in the 24th century by
>>> one Mallansohn, who was actually a man named Cooper whom Eternity had
>>> sent back in time to the 24th century after being trained by Technician
>>> Andrew Harlan and Computer Laben Twissell. Cooper used energy from a
>>> nuclear power plant to power the first time field. However, in the
>>> Eternity timeline, atomic bombs weren't detonated until the 30th
>>> century. Why did the people of the Eternal time line have nuclear power
>>> by the 24th century but not have nuclear bombs until the 30th century?
>> And how could anyone know Citizen Kane's last word was Rosebud?
>> Beyond that bombs are not power reactors.

> Without nuclear weapons in the Eternity timeline, how did 20th century history
> unfold?

Have you considered a a seance to ask him?

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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:31:16 -0400, Matt Giwer
> <jull43.RemoveThis@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
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>> And how could anyone know Citizen Kane's last word was Rosebud?
>
> By watching the movie.

Which is the only way. The movie destroys its premise in the first scene.

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On Dec 3, 7:05 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru....DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> In this book by Isaac Asimov, a time traveling culture called Eternity
> keeps changing Earth's history to eliminate disasters. The time fields
> needed to create Eternity were first discovered in the 24th century by
> one Mallansohn, who was actually a man named Cooper whom Eternity had
> sent back in time to the 24th century after being trained by Technician
> Andrew Harlan and Computer Laben Twissell. Cooper used energy from a
> nuclear power plant to power the first time field. However, in the
> Eternity timeline, atomic bombs weren't detonated until the 30th
> century. Why did the people of the Eternal time line have nuclear power
> by the 24th century but not have nuclear bombs until the 30th century?

A wizard did it.

Stop cross-posting to unrelated groups Tim, or the wizard will get you
too.

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John Fairhurst wrote:

> In article <4opke2dbm5is9n2fbfimj86p1q5mnf75a7.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard.TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote:
> >On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> ><tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >>Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> >>to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> >>million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
> >
> >While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> >nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> >their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> >still be in charge.
>
> The societies that tried for space travelling civilisations were found by
> Eternity to be high drug using and eventually collapse due to Mankind being
> locked in a virtually barren solar system. Eternity didn't select for a
> civilisation that would see space as a proper challange, instead going for a
> solution that appeared to give the widest satisfaction to the widest number of
> people.

What changes would you make in 20th century history to reduce drug
addiction?
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:05:58 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>In this book by Isaac Asimov, a time traveling culture called Eternity
>keeps changing Earth's history to eliminate disasters. The time fields
>needed to create Eternity were first discovered in the 24th century by
>one Mallansohn, who was actually a man named Cooper whom Eternity had
>sent back in time to the 24th century after being trained by Technician
>Andrew Harlan and Computer Laben Twissell. Cooper used energy from a
>nuclear power plant to power the first time field. However, in the
>Eternity timeline, atomic bombs weren't detonated until the 30th
>century. Why did the people of the Eternal time line have nuclear power
>by the 24th century but not have nuclear bombs until the 30th century?

Because the history Eternity created was a very peaceful one.
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:43:52 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>John Fairhurst wrote:

>What changes would you make in 20th century history to reduce drug
>addiction?

Change the laws regarding what are regarded as "drugs of addiction".

Start with no-one really believing in the idea of "Reefer Madness" or
introducing Drug Scheduling laws for so-called "hard" drugs.

Phil

Author, Space Opera (FGU); RBB #1 (FASA); Road to Armageddon;
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Howard Brazee wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> >to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> >million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
>
> While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> still be in charge.

I have heard many politicians express opposition to wasting taxpayer
money on space when there are so many problems at home to solve. Few
politicians can see a decade into the future, let alone 12.5 million
years!

Also, Noys said that the Eternals, by ironing out the disasters of
Reality, had also ruled out the triumphs, such as interstellar travel.
In fact, Harlan himself initiated a Reality Change that destroyed
electrogravitic space travel, as a side effect of reducing drug
addiction. I don't know why reducing drug
addiction would destroy electrogravitic space travel. Maybe Hari Seldon
would know.
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Howard Brazee wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> >to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> >million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
>
> While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> still be in charge.

Another issue: When Cooper found himself in the 20th century, he put an
ad in one of Harlan's favorite periodicals to attract his attention so
that Eternity could send a rescue mission. Cooper's ad read:

ALL THE
TALK
OF THE
MARKET

against the backdrop of the outline of an atomic bomb mushroom cloud.
This got Harlan's attention because of the word "ATOM" going down the
front and because of the mushroom cloud in a magazine issue dated March
28, 1932. (In the Eternity timeline, atomic bombs weren't detonated
until the 30th century!).

The ad also gave Cooper's address as "Investments Newsletter, P.O. Box
14, Denver Colorado". Why didn't the ad also list Cooper's name as an
additional flag to Harlan?

I wonder what people would have been investing in anyway? After all,
the U.S. was in a Great Depression!
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Howard Brazee wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> >to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> >million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
>
> While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> still be in charge.

Another issue: Eternity had a severe shortage of woman, but it had a
mass duplicator that could duplicate women. Why didn't the Eternals use
the mass duplicator to duplicate the prettiest women it could find in
Reality, or duplicate the women who do temp work for Eternity?

Why didn't the Eternals rescue women from the types of disasters that
destroy bodies?

Why didn't they import artificial wombs from the 482nd century and grow
female babies in them?
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David Johnston wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:22:42 -0700, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >John Fairhurst wrote:
> >
> >> In article <4opke2dbm5is9n2fbfimj86p1q5mnf75a7.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard.TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote:
> >> >On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:13:54 -0700, Tim Bruening
> >> ><tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Noys Lambent said that Eternity had prevented the Galactic Empire, and lead
> >> >>to the extinction of the human race by keeping it trapped on Earth for 12.5
> >> >>million years until intelligent species had evolved throughout the galaxy!
> >> >
> >> >While the solution could very well be best, it doesn't fit with human
> >> >nature. Political people who recognize the problem would change
> >> >their goals - to produce a dominant space going civilization, and
> >> >still be in charge.
> >>
> >> The societies that tried for space travelling civilisations were found by
> >> Eternity to be high drug using and eventually collapse due to Mankind being
> >> locked in a virtually barren solar system. Eternity didn't select for a
> >> civilisation that would see space as a proper challange, instead going for a
> >> solution that appeared to give the widest satisfaction to the widest number of
> >> people.
> >
> >What changes would you make in 20th century history to reduce drug addiction?
>
> Prevent the wars for a start. Without the wars fewer soldiers will
> be exposed to free samples of morphine, heroin, and yes, tobacco. And
> without the postwar population boom, there is no 60s. But of course
> the wars also spurred the development of rocket technology.

Which wars would you prevent, and how?
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At the end of the End of Eternity, Noys Lambent and Andrew Harlan erase
Eternity from the timeline by deciding not to rescue Cooper from the
20th century. However, they are protected from the Reality Change by a
physiotime field.

If any Eternity personnel were in Reality at the time of the Noys/Andrew
Change, and were protected by physiotime fields, would they have been
protected from the Change also? If so, how would they have coped with
the sudden shift to a mostly radioactive Earth?

How would Eternity agents who were in eras predating the massive
increase in Earth's radioactivity have coped with the sudden shift in
the political/social environment?
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