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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:04 pm
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> Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
> >>>> I hope we can find a continuation of Warren's relationship with
Paige.
> >>>
> >>> tell me you're kidding...that has been one of the worst things austen
> >>> has done so far...
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> > Well, to my mind there's no chemistry. I can see why Paige like's him -
> > he's a gorgeous hunk of man-flesh, after all. And well, I can see why
Angel
> > might be attracted to her. But love? Nah. It just don't click! Maybe
> > it's a just a sexual thing that'll wear off about... oooh.... about when
> > Chuck Austen leaves?
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> I think they click more than any since Candy Southern. Warren's recent
> statements definitely rule out the "just a sexual thing."
>
Unfortunately. But then, how often do people say things they don't really
mean in a relationship? Even when they truly believe that they do mean
them?
I thought there was far more chemistry with Charlotte Jones, and Psylocke
for that matter. Paige/Angel just screams "break-up" the minute Chuck
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:13 pm
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> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
>
Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in with
some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a truly great
version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge, his
fire. I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character. And don't
even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's response to
that seemed completely off as well.
I'll give you Iceman. He's been pretty good.
Alex hasn't quite felt right either. Mostly it was when he started tossing
scripture around during Holy War. I suppose he's been passable, though.
Lorna's been insane, so I can write that off pretty easily.
I have liked Austen's Paige, and Juggernaut. He wrote an exceptionally good
Hank early on. His Charles isn't bad either. His Wolverine, however, is
diabolical. Possibly one of the worst renditions of the character ever.
So, Chuck has good points and bad. For me, the bad outweigh's the good by
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:49 pm
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Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
>>>>>> I hope we can find a continuation of Warren's relationship with
>>>>>> Paige.
>>>>>
>>>>> tell me you're kidding...that has been one of the worst things austen
>>>>> has done so far...
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Well, to my mind there's no chemistry. I can see why Paige like's him -
>>> he's a gorgeous hunk of man-flesh, after all. And well, I can see why
>>> Angel might be attracted to her. But love? Nah. It just don't click!
>>> Maybe it's a just a sexual thing that'll wear off about... oooh.... about
>>> when Chuck Austen leaves?
>>
>> I think they click more than any since Candy Southern. Warren's recent
>> statements definitely rule out the "just a sexual thing."
>
> Unfortunately. But then, how often do people say things they don't really
> mean in a relationship?
I'm sure it happens. However, based on the way Warren has been acting,
that cannot be the case. Warren has appeared to have had a great epiphany
about the way he's acted for the past 20 years (our time). He's appologizing
to Logan, of all things. When Warren has the heart-to-heart with Paige's
mother, it certainly seems he's being genuine. The main reason that I want
to see a continuation of the relationship is because at this point, having the
relationship abruptly end will seem too contrived and destructive to Warren's
characterization.
> I thought there was far more chemistry with Charlotte Jones, and Psylocke
> for that matter.
My feelings of Charlotte Jones were always that I wished it would have been
better. As for Psylocke, I just plain didn't see any degree of chemistry at
all.
> Paige/Angel just screams "break-up" the minute Chuck Austen is off the title.
Unfortunately, you might be right, considering what Claremont's been writing
recently in X-Treme... although that could just be what Claremont thinks Sam's
reaction should be, not his own.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:53 pm
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BlakGard wrote:
: I think they click more than any since Candy Southern. Warren's recent
: statements definitely rule out the "just a sexual thing."
No, I agree. It's definitely "a Chuck Austen thing."
Trying to spot any sort of consistency or logical progression in Austen's
characterization is a fast road to madness. At this stage, he could reveal
Nightcrawler to be a pedophile (Hey, he's a priest, get it?) and it wouldn't be
so much "out of character," but rather "another issue written by Chuck Austen."
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Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
>> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
>> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
>> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
>
> Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in with
> some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a truly great
> version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
>
> Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge, his
> fire.
Warren had an edge?
> I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character.
Frankly, my opinion about anything Joe Casey has ever done in any comic is
that he should not write comics. I'd rather read Howard Mackie from now
until the end of time than read one panel of Casey's.
Anyway, Casey's take is the aberration that's best forgotten, in my opinion.
> And don't even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's
> response to that seemed completely off as well.
Er... how can you say those two seemingly contradictory statments? Logan's
reaction was entirely appropriate (probably one of the best reactions I've seen
in comics for the past 25 years).
> So, Chuck has good points and bad. For me, the bad outweigh's the good by
> quite a margin.
Ah well... we'll agree to disagree. I may disagree with Austen's story about
Kurt's lineage, but otherwise, I've thoroughly enjoyed his run so far. I only
wish that I couldsay the same for Morrison.
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BlakGard <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.comix.net> wrote in message
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> Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
> >> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
> >> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
> >> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
> >
> > Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in
with
> > some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a truly
great
> > version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
> >
> > Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge,
his
> > fire.
>
> Warren had an edge?
>
Yep. This is a guy who got through 10+ years of X-Men with little more than
two wings. I'm thinking more back to the pre-Archangel era, when he had a
certain energy, a resourcefulness. He was probably the most aggressive of
the original X-Men.
> > I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character.
>
> Frankly, my opinion about anything Joe Casey has ever done in any comic is
> that he should not write comics. I'd rather read Howard Mackie from now
> until the end of time than read one panel of Casey's.
>
Aww, c'mon... Howard Mackie????
>
> > And don't even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's
> > response to that seemed completely off as well.
>
> Er... how can you say those two seemingly contradictory statments? Logan's
> reaction was entirely appropriate (probably one of the best reactions I've
seen
> in comics for the past 25 years).
>
Contradictory how? (Except that I said don't get me started, then I
started.) I don't buy the changes to Warren's character, so I don't buy him
apologizing. And I think Logan's reaction was tremendously overplayed. I
think he would have just shrugged it off and gone about his business.
>
> Ah well... we'll agree to disagree. I may disagree with Austen's story
about
> Kurt's lineage, but otherwise, I've thoroughly enjoyed his run so far. I
only
> wish that I couldsay the same for Morrison.
Ah, then we disagree mightily, because Morrison is awesome.
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> Spoiler space
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> From X-Fan:
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<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.x-mencomics.com/xfan/</font" target="_blank">http://www.x-mencomics.com/xfan/</font</a>>
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> CXF: Excalibur is revealed as being set in Genosha rather than England as
> the original series was. Xavier and Archangel are going to be part of the
> cast, as is Rachel Summers as the new Marvel Girl. What else can we expect
> to find in this series?
Setting: sucks
Xavier: sucks
Archangel: sucks
Rachel: Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rachel as Marvel Girl: sucks
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Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
>>>> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
>>>> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
>>>> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
>>>
>>> Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in
>>> with some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a truly
>>> great version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
>>>
>>> Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge,
>>> his fire.
>>
>> Warren had an edge?
>
> Yep. This is a guy who got through 10+ years of X-Men with little more than
> two wings.
This had nothing whatsoever to do with edge.
> I'm thinking more back to the pre-Archangel era, when he had a certain
> energy, a resourcefulness. He was probably the most aggressive of
> the original X-Men.
Nah. The very reason they gave him the metal wings was because he lacked
edge.
>>> I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character.
>>
>> Frankly, my opinion about anything Joe Casey has ever done in any comic is
>> that he should not write comics. I'd rather read Howard Mackie from now
>> until the end of time than read one panel of Casey's.
>
> Aww, c'mon... Howard Mackie????
Yes! Considering I've never enjoyed any story written by Casey, Mackie has
entertained me infinitely more than Casey.
>>> And don't even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's
>>> response to that seemed completely off as well.
>>
>> Er... how can you say those two seemingly contradictory statments? Logan's
>> reaction was entirely appropriate (probably one of the best reactions I've
>> seen in comics for the past 25 years).
>
> Contradictory how? (Except that I said don't get me started, then I
> started.) I don't buy the changes to Warren's character, so I don't buy him
> apologizing.
The fact that you don't buy them, and Logan was stunned.
>> Ah well... we'll agree to disagree. I may disagree with Austen's story
>> about Kurt's lineage, but otherwise, I've thoroughly enjoyed his run so
>> far. I only wish that I couldsay the same for Morrison.
>
> Ah, then we disagree mightily, because Morrison is awesome.
I agree that he's awesome, which is why I'm appalled at his run (I'm hoping
the final issue does something to change this, but I'm skeptical).
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> I thought there was far more chemistry with Charlotte Jones, and
> Psylocke for that matter. Paige/Angel just screams "break-up" the
> minute Chuck Austen is off the title.
Speaking of Charlotte, I kind of miss her. One of the things I had
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>> Paige/Angel just screams "break-up" the minute Chuck Austen is off
>> the title.
>
> Unfortunately, you might be right, considering what Claremont's been
> writing recently in X-Treme... although that could just be what
> Claremont thinks Sam's reaction should be, not his own.
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> > I'm thinking more back to the pre-Archangel era, when he had a certain
> > energy, a resourcefulness. He was probably the most aggressive of
> > the original X-Men.
>
> Nah. The very reason they gave him the metal wings was because he lacked
> edge.
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On 01 Mar 2004 17:03:41 GMT, blakgard RemoveThis @aol.comix.net (BlakGard) wrote:
>Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
>>>>> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
>>>>> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
>>>>> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
>>>>
>>>> Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in
>>>> with some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a truly
>>>> great version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
>>>>
>>>> Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge,
>>>> his fire.
>>>
>>> Warren had an edge?
>>
>> Yep. This is a guy who got through 10+ years of X-Men with little more than
>> two wings.
>
>This had nothing whatsoever to do with edge.
>
>> I'm thinking more back to the pre-Archangel era, when he had a certain
>> energy, a resourcefulness. He was probably the most aggressive of
>> the original X-Men.
>
>Nah. The very reason they gave him the metal wings was because he lacked
>edge.
>
>>>> I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character.
>>>
>>> Frankly, my opinion about anything Joe Casey has ever done in any comic is
>>> that he should not write comics. I'd rather read Howard Mackie from now
>>> until the end of time than read one panel of Casey's.
>>
>> Aww, c'mon... Howard Mackie????
>
>Yes! Considering I've never enjoyed any story written by Casey, Mackie has
>entertained me infinitely more than Casey.
Not even his run on cable a few years back? i thought it was
great...it lead up to the whole twelve storyline that got royally
screwed up in the main x titles
>
>>>> And don't even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's
>>>> response to that seemed completely off as well.
>>>
>>> Er... how can you say those two seemingly contradictory statments? Logan's
>>> reaction was entirely appropriate (probably one of the best reactions I've
>>> seen in comics for the past 25 years).
>>
>> Contradictory how? (Except that I said don't get me started, then I
>> started.) I don't buy the changes to Warren's character, so I don't buy him
>> apologizing.
>
>The fact that you don't buy them, and Logan was stunned.
>
>>> Ah well... we'll agree to disagree. I may disagree with Austen's story
>>> about Kurt's lineage, but otherwise, I've thoroughly enjoyed his run so
>>> far. I only wish that I couldsay the same for Morrison.
>>
>> Ah, then we disagree mightily, because Morrison is awesome.
>
>I agree that he's awesome, which is why I'm appalled at his run (I'm hoping
>the final issue does something to change this, but I'm skeptical).
>
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BlakGard <blakgard RemoveThis @aol.comix.net> wrote in message
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> Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
> >>>> Rubbish. Nightcrawler is more in-character than he's been in years.
> >>>> Warren's finally acting like a man. Iceman's been no different. Alex
> >>>> is good old Alex. Lorna... well... she's always been a flake.
> >>>
> >>> Nightcrawler under Austen is uninteresting, and occasionally chimes in
> >>> with some really insensitive comments - very out of character. For a
truly
> >>> great version of him, look no further than Wolverine vol. 3 #6.
> >>>
> >>> Warren acting like a drip. He seems to have completely lost his edge,
> >>> his fire.
> >>
> >> Warren had an edge?
> >
> > Yep. This is a guy who got through 10+ years of X-Men with little more
than
> > two wings.
>
> This had nothing whatsoever to do with edge.
>
> > I'm thinking more back to the pre-Archangel era, when he had a certain
> > energy, a resourcefulness. He was probably the most aggressive of
> > the original X-Men.
>
> Nah. The very reason they gave him the metal wings was because he lacked
> edge.
>
Well. We have varying opinions of that character then!
> >>> I miss Joe Casey's more ruthless take on the character.
> >>
> >> Frankly, my opinion about anything Joe Casey has ever done in any comic
is
> >> that he should not write comics. I'd rather read Howard Mackie from now
> >> until the end of time than read one panel of Casey's.
> >
> > Aww, c'mon... Howard Mackie????
>
> Yes! Considering I've never enjoyed any story written by Casey, Mackie has
> entertained me infinitely more than Casey.
>
> >>> And don't even get me started on that 'apology' to Logan. And Logan's
> >>> response to that seemed completely off as well.
> >>
> >> Er... how can you say those two seemingly contradictory statments?
Logan's
> >> reaction was entirely appropriate (probably one of the best reactions
I've
> >> seen in comics for the past 25 years).
> >
> > Contradictory how? (Except that I said don't get me started, then I
> > started.) I don't buy the changes to Warren's character, so I don't buy
him
> > apologizing.
>
> The fact that you don't buy them, and Logan was stunned.
>
I still don't understand how I'm being contradictory. I just think that
both of them are acting out of character. Dammit, I liked having two
members of the X-Men who hate each other... Bring on the Space Phantoms!
> >> Ah well... we'll agree to disagree. I may disagree with Austen's story
> >> about Kurt's lineage, but otherwise, I've thoroughly enjoyed his run so
> >> far. I only wish that I couldsay the same for Morrison.
> >
> > Ah, then we disagree mightily, because Morrison is awesome.
>
> I agree that he's awesome, which is why I'm appalled at his run (I'm
hoping
> the final issue does something to change this, but I'm skeptical).
>
I'll admit to being disappointed with the current arc. That final issue has
a whole lot to tie up...
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Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> Paige/Angel just screams "break-up" the minute Chuck Austen is off
>>> the title.
>>
>> Unfortunately, you might be right, considering what Claremont's been
>> writing recently in X-Treme... although that could just be what
>> Claremont thinks Sam's reaction should be, not his own.
>
> There's a certain irony there considering the Sam/Lila thing that went
> on for a few years.
and is still going on...
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