Excalibur #2

The Black Guardian wrote:
 > Lilith wrote:
  >>Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
 > Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the start?

The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie couldn't pin it down to
someone he knew.
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~consul wrote:
   >>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
  >>
  >> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the start?
 >
 > The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie couldn't
 > pin it down to someone he knew.

Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.
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The Black Guardian wrote:
 > ~consul wrote:
   >>>>Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
   >>>Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the start?
  >>The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie couldn't
  >>pin it down to someone he knew.
 > Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.

The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.
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~consul wrote:
   >>>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
   >>>>
   >>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the start?
   >>>
   >>> The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie couldn't
   >>> pin it down to someone he knew.
  >>
  >> Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.
 >
 > The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.

The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit didn't cover enough.
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On 2004-07-07 18:57:16 -0400, blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian)
said:

 > ~consul wrote:
   > >>>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
   > >>>>
   > >>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the
start?
   > >>>
   > >>> The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie
couldn't
   > >>> pin it down to someone he knew.
   > >>
   > >> Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.
  > >
  > > The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.
 >
 > The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit didn't cover enough.

Seriously. In one version, his chest is half exposed.

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lavar78 wrote:
 > On 2004-07-07 18:57:16 -0400, blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian)
  >> ~consul wrote:
   >> > The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.
  >> The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit didn't cover enough.
 > Seriously. In one version, his chest is half exposed.

Magnetics present an olfactory shield ...
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There's nothing to explain. Xorn WASN'T Magneto, but an imposter. Of
course Wolvie didn't recognize him.

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:59:53 -0400, lavar78 <lavar78 DeleteThis @hotmail.comma>
wrote:

 >On 2004-07-07 18:57:16 -0400, blakgard DeleteThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian)
 >said:
 >
  >> ~consul wrote:
   >> >>>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
   >> >>>>
   >> >>>> Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the
 >start?
   >> >>>
   >> >>> The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie
 >couldn't
   >> >>> pin it down to someone he knew.
   >> >>
   >> >> Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.
   >> >
   >> > The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.
  >>
  >> The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit didn't cover enough.
 >
 >Seriously. In one version, his chest is half exposed.
 >
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~consul (consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com) wrote:
: The Black Guardian wrote:
: > ~consul wrote:
: >>>>Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell with his enhanced senses?
: >>>Wouldn't Wolverine have been able to tell Xorn was Magneto from the start?
: >>The helmet was also something that 'blinded' the senses, so Wolvie couldn't
: >>pin it down to someone he knew.
: > Bah! The helmet didn't cover enough.
:
: The whole suit, I meant. The whole suit was covering him.

I'm reasonably sure at least in many of the shots Xorneto was bare-handed.
Magneto's scent should have been on anything he touched, if it was him.

Peter Dimitriadis
(Okay, I'll be more fair than I want to be... one of the better
explanations of the scent thing I heard had Magneto have a skin-tight
field that ionized his scent particles slightly, like one of those room
deodorizors or whatever)
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 >Peter Dimitriadis
 >(Okay, I'll be more fair than I want to be... one of the better
 >explanations of the scent thing I heard had Magneto have a skin-tight
 >field that ionized his scent particles slightly, like one of those room
 >deodorizors or whatever)
Considering his head was supposed to be a ball of fire, Wolverine shouldn't
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Coldwolf <coldwolf7.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > you have a very good point, but what about all the underminding that other
 > writers have done in the past to what claremont has put into x-men? like
 > trying to reform magneto for one. from writer to writer magneto's
 > personality has very dramatically from writer to writer.
 >
 > The fact is, having a villain who does the same thing over and over again
is
 > stupid and is a insane thing. a villain or hero should evolve with time,
not
 > remain the same thing over and over again.
 >
 > thats what i like the recent incarnate of juggernaut.
 >

The problem with this is that eventually you start to lose villains.
Magneto's gone, Juggernaut's gone, Mystique's gone. And it's not like the
X-Men have really got a great rogue's gallery to begin with. Fortunately
with Magneto we have an instant explanation for his erratic behavior: his
powers eventually drive him insane. Claremont himself introduced this idea.
Since Magneto has probably been driven insane by his powers by now, I'd like
to see Claremont explain the remarkably lucid Magneto that we're seeing in
Excalibur now.

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"Coldwolf" <coldwolf7 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> things Sublime forced him to do.
   > > >
   > > >
  > > Oh please. Magneto, despite all the things he and Xavier have done to
  > > each other was surprised and upset by the thought that someone who he
 > still
  > > viewed as a friend could see him as some kind of depraved mass murderer.
  > >
  > > Read the damn story and put your stupid Sublime theroy in the garabage
  > > where it belong.
  > >
  > >
  > > PS. If Sublime is a colony of bateria that would make it a
 > disease/infection
  > > when possessing a host body,not a drug.
  > >


Oh, goody. I get flamed by someone for a theory that's not even mine.
Which is also a theory that I'm rooting against. So, in other words,
you are actually flaming someone who somewhat agrees with you. Geez.
Sometimes you just gotta love the internet. (NOT!)

Oh, well, you clearly didn't read my post, as I stated the source
message board of the theory.

To say that I greatly disliked Morrison's run, would be the
understatement of the year.

I want to see Claremont's Magneto, unencumbered by any remnant's of
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <nmahney.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Coldwolf <coldwolf7.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> The fact is, having a villain who does the same thing over and over
>> again
> is
>> stupid and is a insane thing. a villain or hero should evolve with
>> time,
> not
>> remain the same thing over and over again.
>>
>> thats what i like the recent incarnate of juggernaut.
>>
>
> The problem with this is that eventually you start to lose villains.
> Magneto's gone, Juggernaut's gone, Mystique's gone. And it's not like
> the X-Men have really got a great rogue's gallery to begin with.
> Fortunately with Magneto we have an instant explanation for his
> erratic behavior: his powers eventually drive him insane. Claremont
> himself introduced this idea. Since Magneto has probably been driven
> insane by his powers by now, I'd like to see Claremont explain the
> remarkably lucid Magneto that we're seeing in Excalibur now.

That's why you create new villians. Preferably creations that are
beyond the previous mutant boom of "guy with a gun for an arm" and
similar downright laughable designs.

And shifting around the status of various old-guard villians opens
slots for new villians to be created that actually do rise to "major"
status. As long as Magneto is around as a villian, there isn't going
to be an "accepted" new "Master of Magnetism" villian. Put a new
electricity master in Spider-Man if you want, but unless he is much
better than Electro, a decent number of people may very well reject
him. Retire Electro though, and you can bring in a new guy without
just passing on the costume and name (which is the standard villian
scheme).

Also, who says only the villians should change? When Angel became
Archangel, why did he have to "recover"? He could have warped into a
new major villian from his trauma, even after he was "saved." Or
Claremont's adjectiveless X-Men plan for mindless Hand assassin Logan,
that was nixed because Marvel neither wanted to see Logan lose his
admantium nor have him removed from the "hero" roster for a few years.
Why not something more permanent with a few characters, without it
being later revealed to be a trick or manipulation by some other
being or whatever else?

Characters eventually changing makes them more human. Sandman
switching sides didn't hurt the Fantastic Four or Spider-Man, and
instead gave the character life beyond "generic villian."
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