Excalibur #2

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 > The helmet also wouldn't cover "Xorn's" scent after using the bathroom...

The ionising EM field that Xorn would create to leave the rooms parkling
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Chris Lee <clee2.DeleteThis@envirolink.org> wrote in message
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> In article <40ed422e.DeleteThis@news.comindico.com.au>, nmahney.DeleteThis@hotmail.com says...
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> >Coldwolf <coldwolf7.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> you have a very good point, but what about all the underminding
> >> that other
> >> writers have done in the past to what claremont has put into
> >> x-men? like
> >> trying to reform magneto for one. from writer to writer magneto's
> >> personality has very dramatically from writer to writer.
> >>
> >> The fact is, having a villain who does the same thing over and
> >> over again
> >is
> >> stupid and is a insane thing. a villain or hero should evolve with
> >> time,
> >not
> >> remain the same thing over and over again.
> >>
> >> thats what i like the recent incarnate of juggernaut.
> >>
> >
> >The problem with this is that eventually you start to lose villains.
> >Magneto's gone, Juggernaut's gone, Mystique's gone. And it's not
> >like the
> >X-Men have really got a great rogue's gallery to begin with.
>
> The Xmen "villains" have never been your typical comic book
> villian. Juggernaut was the nearest one to that, but even then he
> wasn't really presented that way in the Xbooks. He basically beat
> on the Xmen to get back at Xavier.
>
> With the end of Xavier's and Cain's feud, there was no reason for Cain
> to beat on the Xmen anymore......
>

I get that, and I like the Juggernaut better as a good guy, anyway. I liked
Magneto as a good guy, too, but I liked him better in UXM #275 and X-Men
#1-3. The real problem stems with the inability of today's writers to
create villains with any great staying power. I don't know why this is the
case, but I can't remember the last time a really great X-Men villain was
introduced. Bastion had potential, I suppose. Cassandra Nova was very
cool, but I can't see her being used too much. It's not just the X-Men,
either.

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In message <40ee1eee$0$1182$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, Chris Lee
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 >The Xmen "villains" have never been your typical comic book villian.

Magneto, as originally created, is about as typical as you can get. He
only becomes particularly interesting when Claremont gives him a
coherent philosophy - but that was around 15 years after his debut.

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> In article <40efa35e RemoveThis @news.comindico.com.au>, nmahney RemoveThis @hotmail.com says...
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> >Chris Lee <clee2 RemoveThis @envirolink.org> wrote in message
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> >> In article <40ed422e RemoveThis @news.comindico.com.au>, nmahney RemoveThis @hotmail.com
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> >> >Coldwolf <coldwolf7 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1gCGc.29367$MT5.24732@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> >> >> you have a very good point, but what about all the underminding
> >> >> that other
> >> >> writers have done in the past to what claremont has put into
> >> >> x-men? like
> >> >> trying to reform magneto for one. from writer to writer
> >> >> magneto's
> >> >> personality has very dramatically from writer to writer.
> >> >>
> >> >> The fact is, having a villain who does the same thing over and
> >> >> over again
> >> >is
> >> >> stupid and is a insane thing. a villain or hero should evolve
> >> >> with
> >> >> time,
> >> >not
> >> >> remain the same thing over and over again.
> >> >>
> >> >> thats what i like the recent incarnate of juggernaut.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The problem with this is that eventually you start to lose
> >> >villains.
> >> >Magneto's gone, Juggernaut's gone, Mystique's gone. And it's not
> >> >like the
> >> >X-Men have really got a great rogue's gallery to begin with.
> >>
> >> The Xmen "villains" have never been your typical comic book
> >> villian. Juggernaut was the nearest one to that, but even then he
> >> wasn't really presented that way in the Xbooks. He basically beat
> >> on the Xmen to get back at Xavier.
> >>
> >> With the end of Xavier's and Cain's feud, there was no reason for
> >> Cain
> >> to beat on the Xmen anymore......
> >>
> >
> >I get that, and I like the Juggernaut better as a good guy, anyway.
> >I liked
> >Magneto as a good guy, too, but I liked him better in UXM #275 and
> >X-Men
> >#1-3. The real problem stems with the inability of today's writers
> >to
> >create villains with any great staying power. I don't know why this
> >is the
> >case, but I can't remember the last time a really great X-Men
> >villain was introduced.
>
> There hasn't been a really great villian introduced *ANYWHERE*
> since "Star Trek:The Orginal Series" Khan.
>
>
> Khan reeked style. Too bad we'll never see the likes of him
> anywhere ever again.
>

Bah. Khan lost all credibility the moment he started wearing a rubber
chest.

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Oh, when the heck did they change Callisto's powers? In the marvel
handbook, she just had superhuman senses. Suddenly she's a mutant tactical
savant?
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AJSolis wrote:
> Oh, when the heck did they change Callisto's powers? In the marvel
> handbook, she just had superhuman senses. Suddenly she's a mutant tactical
> savant?

In Claremont's Xtreme book. And they really didn't explain, just gave it a hand-waving
"Masque did it to me w/o m permission and I hated it but now I love it" liner.

I thought it was very arbitrary, and her appearance here is very arbitrary as well. Is
there any signifiance in having _her_ here?
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> >
> > The Xmen "villains" have never been your typical comic book
> > villian. Juggernaut was the nearest one to that, but even then he
> > wasn't really presented that way in the Xbooks. He basically beat
> > on the Xmen to get back at Xavier.
> >
> > With the end of Xavier's and Cain's feud, there was no reason for Cain
> > to beat on the Xmen anymore......
> >
>
> I get that, and I like the Juggernaut better as a good guy, anyway.

I dug the development of him in X-MEN FOREVER (which was promptly
ignored) and the threat he presented immediately post OPERATION ZERO
TOLERANCE (where he legally went after Xavier's mansion as his next of
kin)
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> AJSolis wrote:
> > Oh, when the heck did they change Callisto's powers? In the marvel
> > handbook, she just had superhuman senses. Suddenly she's a mutant
tactical
> > savant?
>
> In Claremont's Xtreme book. And they really didn't explain, just gave it a
hand-waving
> "Masque did it to me w/o m permission and I hated it but now I love it"
liner.
>
> I thought it was very arbitrary, and her appearance here is very arbitrary
as well. Is
> there any signifiance in having _her_ here?

I thought that was just for the tentacles. As for Callisto's mutant power,
I've never had the first clue what it was supposed to be, and I've read most
of her appearances. I'm sure it's explicitly stated somewhere, but I never
noticed it until she reappeared recently.

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"Nathan P. Mahney" <nmahney.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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As for Callisto's mutant power,
> I've never had the first clue what it was supposed to be, and I've read
most
> of her appearances. I'm sure it's explicitly stated somewhere, but I
never
> noticed it until she reappeared recently.

I think the OHOTMUDE lists her as having enhanced senses and reflexes,
basically what it takes to make her a good hunter and fighter.
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> > >
> > > The Xmen "villains" have never been your typical comic book
> > > villian. Juggernaut was the nearest one to that, but even then he
> > > wasn't really presented that way in the Xbooks. He basically beat
> > > on the Xmen to get back at Xavier.
> > >
> > > With the end of Xavier's and Cain's feud, there was no reason for Cain
> > > to beat on the Xmen anymore......
> > >
> >
> > I get that, and I like the Juggernaut better as a good guy, anyway.
>
> I dug the development of him in X-MEN FOREVER (which was promptly
> ignored) and the threat he presented immediately post OPERATION ZERO
> TOLERANCE (where he legally went after Xavier's mansion as his next of
> kin)

Also ignored, unfortunately. And I expect that he'll eventually go back to
being a bad guy from where he is now, which is a shame.

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>
>I thought that was just for the tentacles.
Yeah, ditto.

As for Callisto's mutant power,
>I've never had the first clue what it was supposed to be, and I've read most
>of her appearances. I'm sure it's explicitly stated somewhere, but I never
>noticed it until she reappeared recently.
Well, like I mentioned the the handbook said supersenses.
And am I the only one who wonders how Storm beat Callisto if she's an
intuitive tactical grandmaster?
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