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ilya_shambat2004

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:25 am
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A mindset creates a bubble around a person's mind, where all thoughts
reflect and fall in upon themselves - where every direction is blocked
and leads back to the center - where all that one does, thinks or
attempts returns back in upon itself.

The correct way to extricate a person from a bubble is to combine the
external and the internal - to throw them a life rope, so to speak,
while remaining yourself outside - to see the bubble from without and
let the person see the outside world; and through sandwiching
arrangement - through the inside combining with the outside to see the
complete picture - breaking the person out of the bubble and bringing
him or her into light.


Ilya Shambat.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:40 am
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On 12 Feb 2005 07:25:55 -0800, ilya_shambat2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:

 >A mindset creates a bubble around a person's mind, where all thoughts
 >reflect and fall in upon themselves - where every direction is blocked
 >and leads back to the center - where all that one does, thinks or
 >attempts returns back in upon itself.

We'll just have to take your word for it spambot, for once I think you
speak from authority.



 >The correct way to extricate a person from a bubble is to combine the
 >external and the internal - to throw them a life rope, so to speak,
 >while remaining yourself outside - to see the bubble from without and
 >let the person see the outside world; and through sandwiching
 >arrangement - through the inside combining with the outside to see the
 >complete picture - breaking the person out of the bubble and bringing
 >him or her into light.


Alternatively, I guess you could just post a bunch of mind-numbing
navel-gazing gibberish to usenet like you always do.


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like a somnambulent child
stepping in her house,
empty rooms, and
the wind in the foyer."

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:40 pm
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On Saturday 12 February, ilya_shambat2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote in
rec.arts.poems:

 > A mi<SNIP>

Well, at least it was shorter than usual.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:40 am
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"Peter J Ross" <gadfly RemoveThis @NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in message
news:slrnd0smfp.k1n.gadfly@nntp.petitmorte.net...
 > On Saturday 12 February, ilya_shambat2004 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote in
 > rec.arts.poems:
 >
  > > A mi<SNIP>
 >
 > Well, at least it was shorter than usual.

....and for some reason I read mindsets as midgets...

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:16 am
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oldgoth wrote:
 > ...and for some reason I read mindsets as midgets...

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:40 pm
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On 12 Feb 2005 07:25:55 -0800, ilya_shambat2004.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:

 >A mindset creates a bubble around a person's mind, where all thoughts
 >reflect and fall in upon themselves - where every direction is blocked
 >and leads back to the center - where all that one does, thinks or
 >attempts returns back in upon itself.

I think "mindset" is the wrong word. You describe a rut.

If students today were raised with a particular mindset, they'd have a better oar to negotiate the
white river. I opine this from personal experience as I attended a Catholic school. I, myself, as
many will tell you, am unremarkable. However, this oar helped me to excel in school, university,
and the workplace. It didn't help me much with love, dammit, but I'll chat with God about that
later. I'm in a rut where ever direction is blocked and leads back to me as the center - so boring!

 >The correct way to extricate a person from a bubble is to combine the
 >external and the internal - to throw them a life rope, so to speak,
 >while remaining yourself outside -

Did this come to you in a dream? You espouse elsewhere that you're a Christian - unless, of course,
that's your persona for posting on these boards. Even so, let's keep the persona consistent. Jesus
never remained on the outside when extricating us. He stood in our place, sat /with/ the tax
collectors and prostitues, and assumed our burdens. I mean, would you want to stake your faith in a
God who did less? And to beat all, he tells us to follow him, walk in his steps... I guess we
can't distance ourselves while extricating others, can we?

 >to see the bubble from without and
 >let the person see the outside world; and through sandwiching
 >arrangement - through the inside combining with the outside to see the
 >complete picture - breaking the person out of the bubble and bringing
 >him or her into light.

It's gotta be a dream...
I'm thinking that you're exploring gnosticism - it's tantalizing and colorful (but heresy). You
won't find Jesus there - he's still in the crowd washing feet.

Karla

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:45 pm
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oldgoth wrote:

 >
 > ...and for some reason I read mindsets as midgets...
 >
Hello Hatter the Handyman
.......
Yup
.......
I see
.......
Stuck in a midget you say
.......
Nah taint that odd. Get a lot of that lately around here
.......
Oh, that kind of stuck in a midget. Messy.
.......
No I said Messy
.......
Sure I can still do it, just Messy, and tricky
.......
Yes, I can be right over, let me just get my rubber clamps, the waders,
and a bucket of KY. Oh you might want to put down a tarp.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:40 pm
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Karla <karlark.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net:

 > It's gotta be a dream...
 > I'm thinking that you're exploring gnosticism -
 > it's tantalizing and colorful (but heresy). You won't find Jesus there -

Of course you will. Finding Jesus in Christian gnosticism
is easy.


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ilya_shambat2004

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:07 am
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Karla wrote:
 > On 12 Feb 2005 07:25:55 -0800, ilya_shambat2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
 >
  > >A mindset creates a bubble around a person's mind, where all
thoughts
  > >reflect and fall in upon themselves - where every direction is
blocked
  > >and leads back to the center - where all that one does, thinks or
  > >attempts returns back in upon itself.
 >
 > I think "mindset" is the wrong word. You describe a rut.

I'm actually speaking about my experiences with people in bad
relationships, bad social and psychological places, and various kinds
of mental and psychic entrapment. Sometimes that is a rut, but in most
cases it is something far more malignant.

 > If students today were raised with a particular mindset, they'd have
a better oar to negotiate the
 > white river. I opine this from personal experience as I attended a
Catholic school. I, myself, as
 > many will tell you, am unremarkable.

Some of your poems are quite good.

 > However, this oar helped me to excel in school, university,
 > and the workplace.

What oar are you talking about? Belief in self-determination and
self-reliance?

 > It didn't help me much with love, dammit, but I'll chat with God
about that later.

Well, I can tell you why, too. The qualities that help you succeed in
the workplace when you are a woman are not the same qualities that most
men find attractive in relationships. The corporate world may see you
as motivated; the man might see you as a b*tch. I have a friend who is
a beautiful, brilliant young woman, and she told me that the girls in
college who were getting dates did so by acting dumb - something that
of course she would not do.

A Russian politician named Gennady Zyuganov said, "A smart woman is OK.
A beautiful woman is OK. But a woman who's both smart and beautiful is
the scariest thing in the world." My girlfriends (at least ones for
whom I wrote poetry) were both smart and beautiful. However they were
not corporate types. They were romantics.

While there is a growing fraternity of men who want a woman who is
professionally successful, I do not know if they are the kind of men
whom you will find attractive. Based on what I've seen, my advice to
you is: Soften the edges in your approach to relationships, while
keeping your essence. You don't have to act like a b*tch to be
yourself.

 > I'm in a rut where ever direction is blocked and leads back to me as
the center - so boring!

You in a mirror chamber? That's what I meant by my post.

  > >The correct way to extricate a person from a bubble is to combine
the
  > >external and the internal - to throw them a life rope, so to speak,
  > >while remaining yourself outside -
 >
 > Did this come to you in a dream?

Well, actually, not quite. Meditation. Based on astrology and
astronomy, of all things.

My imagery concerned breaking something out of a black hole. The image
that came to me was that of putting one edge outside the event horizon,
the other in the black hole, and twist the connecting substance so as
to break the black hole open.

While that may not work with real black holes, it would work with Pluto
manifestations (if you've done any research into the subject). My
advice once again: Put one center of attention outside, the other
inside, and twist until the inside breaks open.

 > You espouse elsewhere that you're a Christian - unless, of course,
 > that's your persona for posting on these boards.

Why would I do that? It's not considered cool on the Net to be a
Christian. If I were to make up an artificial persona, it would be
something that panders to the net culture, not something that the net
culture opposes.

 > Even so, let's keep the persona consistent. Jesus never remained on
the outside when
 > extricating us. He stood in our place, sat /with/ the tax collectors
and prostitues, and
 > assumed our burdens.

Yeah, but he did something else: He kept his soul, and his mind, in the
God-space, while doing so. What I've discovered was that, when you're
inside a social construct, or inside some individual's or group's mind,
it is hard to retain objectivity: You get sucked into it. What Jesus
did was precisely what I'm advising - keep one center of attention in
God; put another where the others are; and break the wall while guiding
them to where you come from.

 > It's gotta be a dream...
 > I'm thinking that you're exploring gnosticism - it's tantalizing and
colorful (but heresy). You
 > won't find Jesus there - he's still in the crowd washing feet.

Among other things.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:04 am
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ilya_shambat2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote in message news:<1109869669.304732.192600.RemoveThis@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...

 > Yeah, but he did something else: He kept his soul, and his mind, in the
 > God-space, while doing so. What I've discovered was that, when you're
 > inside a social construct, or inside some individual's or group's mind,
 > it is hard to retain objectivity: You get sucked into it. What Jesus
 > did was precisely what I'm advising - keep one center of attention in
 > God; put another where the others are; and break the wall while guiding
 > them to where you come from.

Funny how you mention group mind-sets making it hard to remain
objective. Since organized religion in itself is a group mindset, how
can you claim to be objective?

  > > It's gotta be a dream...
  > > I'm thinking that you're exploring gnosticism - it's tantalizing and
 > colorful (but heresy). You
  > > won't find Jesus there - he's still in the crowd washing feet.
 >
 > Among other things.
 >
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:10 am
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ilya_shambat2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:

 > While there is a growing fraternity of men who want a woman who is
 > professionally successful, I do not know if they are the kind of men
 > whom you will find attractive. Based on what I've seen, my advice to
 > you is: Soften the edges in your approach to relationships, while
 > keeping your essence. You don't have to act like a b*tch to be
 > yourself.

Yet here you are, calling women bitches for wanting careers, and no one
at all finds you attractive. Why is that?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:03 am
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Varma wrote:
  > > Yeah, but he did something else: He kept his soul, and his mind, in
the
  > > God-space, while doing so. What I've discovered was that, when
you're
  > > inside a social construct, or inside some individual's or group's
mind,
  > > it is hard to retain objectivity: You get sucked into it. What
Jesus
  > > did was precisely what I'm advising - keep one center of attention
in
  > > God; put another where the others are; and break the wall while
guiding
  > > them to where you come from.
 >
 > Funny how you mention group mind-sets making it hard to remain
 > objective. Since organized religion in itself is a group mindset, how
 > can you claim to be objective?

Keep one point of attention inside and one point of attention outside.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:04 am
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jonathan RemoveThis @unlikelystories.org wrote:
 > Yet here you are, calling women bitches for wanting careers

I'm not doing anything of the sort! A woman wants a career, she can
have a career. My problem is with those women who tell other women what
role they can have - whether it be that of a domestic servant or of a
workaholic.

 > and no one at all finds you attractive.

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