X-Factor, X-Force, X-Man question?

rderieux said

 > Hi all!
 >
 > Can someone help me understand a bit about these different titles?
 > What was the team and the general themes/dynamics?
 >
 > I think X-Factor if what became X-statiks later but I don't know
 > anything about these original series.
 >
 > Any suggested starting points?
 >
 > Were any of these tied to the storylines from the other X books?
 >
 > Thanks, Rene'
 >

X-Factor - Mutie trainers disguised as hunters becomes (in 1991)
government muties.
X-Force - Soulja muties. Becomes X-Statix.
All the X-books are tied together.

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On 22 Aug 2004 16:03:53 -0700, renedc1.DeleteThis@msn.com (rderieux) wrote:
 >
 >Can someone help me understand a bit about these different titles?
 >What was the team and the general themes/dynamics?

X-Factor was originally a book to have the original five X-Men back
together again. Then it became a government sponsored superhero team
under Havok, Polaris, and Forge.

X-Force was formerly New Mutants. It carried over the characters from
that series and was led by Cable. This book eventually became
X-Statix, which was recently cancelled. Now there is a new X-Force
book by Nicieza and Liefeld.

X-Man was the Cable analogue from the Age of Apocalypse story. He was
a genetic mix of the AoA Cyclops and Jean Grey, but without the
techno-virus to keep his powers in check. He crossed over from the AoA
universe to the MU when the AoA storyline ended.

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What issues was Peter David's run on X-Factor?

Thanks, Rene'

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 > renedc1.RemoveThis@msn.com (rderieux) wrote in message news:<f122fe03.0408221503.557a1a59.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
  > > Hi all!
  > >
  > > Can someone help me understand a bit about these different titles?
  > > What was the team and the general themes/dynamics?
  > >
  > > I think X-Factor if what became X-statiks later but I don't know
  > > anything about these original series.
  > >
  > > Any suggested starting points?
  > >
  > > Were any of these tied to the storylines from the other X books?
  > >
  > > Thanks, Rene'
 >
 > Factor: was originally the five original X-Men (Jean, Scott, Bobby,
 > Hank and Warren) masquerading as mutant hunters and eliminators.
 > Remained this way through until roughly #70, when X-Factor became the
 > government-run mutant team. This book was particularly good during
 > Peter David's run, before he was run off by Bob Harras.
 >
 > Force: was carried over from New Mutants after that series ended with
 > #100. Started out quite good (Liefeld's distorted art aside) and
 > gradually got worse, until it was borderline unreadable. This is the
 > series that became X-Statix.
 >
 > Man: came out of the Age of Apocalypse crossover and featured an
 > alternate version of Cable from that timeline by the name of Nate
 > Grey. Not sure whatever became of this book.
 >
 > As far as recommended reading: X-Factor beginning with Peter David's
 > run.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Thanks for the input:

A couple of other titles that I would like to know a bit more about:
1) New Mutants
2) New X-men
3) Excalibur

Are the stories in these tightly connected to the other X titles?

What is the basic premise and are they recommended reading...

Thanks, Rene'



renedc1 RemoveThis @msn.com (rderieux) wrote in message news:<f122fe03.0408221503.557a1a59 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
 > Hi all!
 >
 > Can someone help me understand a bit about these different titles?
 > What was the team and the general themes/dynamics?
 >
 > I think X-Factor if what became X-statiks later but I don't know
 > anything about these original series.
 >
 > Any suggested starting points?
 >
 > Were any of these tied to the storylines from the other X books?
 >
 > Thanks, Rene'<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <f122fe03.0408230520.17435006 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>, rderieux
<renedc1 DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:

 > What issues was Peter David's run on X-Factor?

Off the top of my head #71 - 92. IIRC he left quite suddenly around the
Fatal Attractions storyline. Just find the issue with a hologram on the
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 > Force: was carried over from New Mutants after that series ended with
 > #100. Started out quite good (Liefeld's distorted art aside) and
 > gradually got worse, until it was borderline unreadable. This is the
 > series that became X-Statix.
 >


actually, i thought it was perfectly okay, often good (though frequently
completely missing the point of the series) just up to Revolution. really
went haywire there. but seemed to be improving again as Ellis stepped away
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 > On 22 Aug 2004 16:03:53 -0700, renedc1 DeleteThis @msn.com (rderieux) wrote:
  > >
  > >Can someone help me understand a bit about these different titles?
  > >What was the team and the general themes/dynamics?
 >
 > X-Factor was originally a book to have the original five X-Men back
 > together again. Then it became a government sponsored superhero team
 > under Havok, Polaris, and Forge.
 >
The title was revived a couple of years ago for a rather good four-part
mini-series about a couple of FBI agents investigating crimes against mutants
with the X-Men looking over their shoulder.

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"rderieux" <renedc1.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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 > Thanks for the input:
 >
 > A couple of other titles that I would like to know a bit more about:
 > 1) New Mutants

The original junior X-Men team, brilliantly written by Chris Claremont at
first with natural crossovers with the main X-Men comic, then deteriorated
under Louise Simonson and deteriorated further until it became X-Force.
Revived shortly last year for the comic that's now called New X-Men.

 > 2) New X-men

Originally the retitling of (adjectiveless) X-Men to mark coming of Grant
Morrison, at which point it became the core X-Men book. Since Grant's
departure that title has returned to adjectiveless and the New X-Men title has
been placed on the relaunch of the latest New Mutants title (originally New
X-Men: Academy X). Yes, it is confusing!

 > 3) Excalibur

Originally the title of a spin-off X-Men title, featuring Shadowcat, Phoenix
and Nightcrawler based in the UK in a team with Captain Britian and his now
wife Megan. That ran for over 10 years with varying quality. Recently, the
title has been revived for the Professor X/Magneto on Genosha comic, despite
it having nothing in common with the original Excalibur.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:52:55 GMT, Peter
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 >In article <f122fe03.0408230520.17435006.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>, rderieux
 ><renedc1.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
 >
  >> What issues was Peter David's run on X-Factor?
 >
 >Off the top of my head #71 - 92. IIRC he left quite suddenly around the
 >Fatal Attractions storyline. Just find the issue with a hologram on the
 >cover and you know where to stop

The specific numbers were #55 & #70-89.

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rderieux <renedc1.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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 > Thanks for the input:
 >
 > A couple of other titles that I would like to know a bit more about:
 > 1) New Mutants
 > 2) New X-men
 > 3) Excalibur
 >
 > Are the stories in these tightly connected to the other X titles?
 >
 > What is the basic premise and are they recommended reading...
 >
 > Thanks, Rene'
 >

I hereby point you in the direction of the xbooks FAQ. It has the answers
to a lot of your questions, and many more besides.

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 > "rderieux" <renedc1.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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  > > Thanks for the input:
  > >
  > > A couple of other titles that I would like to know a bit more about:
  > > 1) New Mutants
 >
 > The original junior X-Men team, brilliantly written by Chris Claremont at
 > first with natural crossovers with the main X-Men comic, then deteriorated
 > under Louise Simonson and deteriorated further until it became X-Force.
 > Revived shortly last year for the comic that's now called New X-Men.

And, to further address the 'recommended reading' part of the question
- New Mutants, at least its first half, is very definitely recommended
reading, particularly if you're keen on Uncanny from the same period
(they were being written by the same guy and occasionally overlap, for
example in the fabulous Asgard storyline), or if you find yourself
getting into the original X-Force...or if you're a fan of Emma Frost,
a regular villain at the time, or any of the other characters.

Claremont wrote the book from #1 to around #50 (plus the graphic novel
that debuted the team). You may find the art style (in the early
issues especially) to be rather dated. 15 to 50 is probably the
book's golden run; ignoring a few filler issues, it's pretty much all
great and at times slips into 'fantastic.'

The second half of the series is far less easy to recommend. Opinions
are divided on Louise Simonson's writing of the characters -
personally I agree with the side that thinks she wrote them as
ridiculous children, and in any case saddled them with go-nowhere
plots. Bret Blevins's art is pretty much universally despised. From
87 to 100, Rob Liefeld was in charge. If you like him (for whatever
reason), that run showcases him at the peak of his questionable
abilities. The "Cable and the New Mutants" TPB collects that run.

Hope this helps,

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