The Famous Edmund Aslan Talk

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> After their talk, Aslan tells Edmund's siblings that there was no need to
> talk further about what was past (i.e. Edmund's collaboration with the White
> Witch). However, IMHO, Aslan should have asked Edmund to provide Peter with
> all the intel he had on the White Witch and her allies (such as her stoning
> wand, which appears to require contact with its subject). Edmund was the
> only one of the four to have close contact with the witch.


There was no need. Even the beavers said at the beginning that not many
went into the Witch's castle and came back out alive. They knew about
the statues.

And granted, this one was in the movie, not the book. But the kids
arrive at the badger's home and find all the stone figures. And the fox
explains that this is what happens to the enemies of the witch. So,
clearly, the animals knew what caused it. Anybody could have told the
kids.

The issue remains. How do you fight somebody with that power? You just
have to keep trying.
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"friesian@zoocrewphoto.com" wrote:

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> > After their talk, Aslan tells Edmund's siblings that there was no need to
> > talk further about what was past (i.e. Edmund's collaboration with the White
> > Witch). However, IMHO, Aslan should have asked Edmund to provide Peter with
> > all the intel he had on the White Witch and her allies (such as her stoning
> > wand, which appears to require contact with its subject). Edmund was the
> > only one of the four to have close contact with the witch.
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> There was no need. Even the beavers said at the beginning that not many
> went into the Witch's castle and came back out alive. They knew about
> the statues.
>
> And granted, this one was in the movie, not the book. But the kids
> arrive at the badger's home and find all the stone figures. And the fox
> explains that this is what happens to the enemies of the witch. So,
> clearly, the animals knew what caused it. Anybody could have told the
> kids.
>
> The issue remains. How do you fight somebody with that power? You just
> have to keep trying.

Edmund certainly found a way! He simply broke the witch's wand!

Did any of the animals know HOW the witch stoned folks?
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No, only Edmund.
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I think I have figured out a few things Edmund and Aslan talked about
after his rescue!

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After Peter and Edmund receive word of Aslan's death, Peter says that he
can't lead Aslan's army. Edmund says "Aslan believed you could. So do
I". I believe that during the famous unheard Edmund Aslan talk after
his rescue, Aslan expressed the opinion that Peter could successfully
command his army! That talk was the only time I remember seeing the two
of them conversing, so would have been the only time Aslan could have
expressed his opinion about Peter's leadership abilities to Edmund.

When Edmund is coronated, Aslan calls him "Edmund The Just", an
adjective which would not be immediately apparent. I therefore believe
that Edmund must have expressed a deep interest in justice while talking
to Aslan after his resuce.
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
news:45FA513A.717DC81E@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:

> I think I have figured out a few things Edmund and Aslan talked about
> after his rescue!

The conversation between them was a device whereby Edmund was forgiven his
treason, deception, and selfishness, and was reconciled to the good again.
He regained his old self.

This showed that Aslan (Christ) knew about the human condition intimately,
and that no one could sin so badly but that they could be forgiven and
redeemed, etc. Biblically, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be
as white as snow." (Isaiah 1:1

What they talked about is private (as Lewis depicts) and ultimately
unimportant to the allegory -- *that* they could talk, and be reconciled,
is the point.

RA
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Roberto Abajo wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
> news:45FA513A.717DC81E@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
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> > I think I have figured out a few things Edmund and Aslan talked about
> > after his rescue!
>
> The conversation between them was a device whereby Edmund was forgiven his
> treason, deception, and selfishness, and was reconciled to the good again.
> He regained his old self.
>
> This showed that Aslan (Christ) knew about the human condition intimately,
> and that no one could sin so badly but that they could be forgiven and
> redeemed, etc. Biblically, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be
> as white as snow." (Isaiah 1:1
>
> What they talked about is private (as Lewis depicts) and ultimately
> unimportant to the allegory -- *that* they could talk, and be reconciled,
> is the point.

Before the battle, Edmund said that Aslan believed that Peter could lead the
army, implying that Aslan told Edmund at some point of his confidence in
Peter. Since on screen, I did not hear Aslan tell Edmund of his confidence in
Peter, I figured that he likely did so during their private talk.

At the coronation, Aslan proclaimed Edmund to be "King Edmund The Just", right
out of the blue. Since Edmund had just become King, I wondered how Aslan
could possibly know that he would be just, unless Edmund expressed a deep
interest in justice to Aslan. Since I did not hear Edmund do so on screen, I
figured that he likely did so during their private talk.
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
news:45FC52B0.94314FE0@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:

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> Before the battle, Edmund said that Aslan believed that Peter could
> lead the army, implying that Aslan told Edmund at some point of his
> confidence in Peter. Since on screen, I did not hear Aslan tell
> Edmund of his confidence in Peter, I figured that he likely did so
> during their private talk.
>
> At the coronation, Aslan proclaimed Edmund to be "King Edmund The
> Just", right out of the blue. Since Edmund had just become King, I
> wondered how Aslan could possibly know that he would be just, unless
> Edmund expressed a deep interest in justice to Aslan. Since I did not
> hear Edmund do so on screen, I figured that he likely did so during
> their private talk.

I'll admit that I haven't seen the movie. However, isn't it more likely
that the writers, by incorporating that title, were attempting (however
clumsily) to incorporate one of Lewis' original ideas from the book,
rather than that they hid something minor from the audience? After all,
if Aslan is somewhat the same character in the book as in the movie,
then there is much that He knows but does not ordinarily say.

RA
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I think I have figured out a few things Edmund and Aslan talked about
after his rescue!

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After Peter and Edmund receive word of Aslan's death, Peter says that he
can't lead Aslan's army. Edmund says "Aslan believed you could. So do
I". I believe that during the famous unheard Edmund Aslan talk after
his rescue, Aslan expressed the opinion that Peter could successfully
command his army! That talk was the only time I remember seeing the two
of them conversing, so would have been the only time Aslan could have
expressed his opinion about Peter's leadership abilities to Edmund.

When Edmund is coronated, Aslan calls him "Edmund The Just", an
adjective which would not be immediately apparent. I therefore believe
that Edmund must have expressed a deep interest in justice while talking
to Aslan after his resuce.
 >> Stay informed about: The Famous Edmund Aslan Talk 

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After their talk, Aslan tells Edmund's siblings that there was no need
to
talk further about what was past (i.e. Edmund's collaboration with the
White
Witch). However, IMHO, Aslan should have asked Edmund to provide Peter
with
all the intel he had on the White Witch and her allies (such as her
stoning
wand, which appears to require contact with its subject). Edmund was
the
only one of the four to have close contact with the witch.
 >> Stay informed about: The Famous Edmund Aslan Talk