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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:41 am
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FATES: The three Greek Goddesses of Destiny and Fate. Otherwise known
as the Moirae, these timeless old_hags weave the threads of destiny
that control your life. The original spin doctors.
http://tinyurl.com/2uluwt In Greek mythology, the white-robed Moirae or
Moerae (in Greek Moipai - the "apportioners", often called the Fates)
were the personifications of destiny (Roman equivalent: Parcae,
"sparing ones", or Fata; also equivalent to the Germanic Norns).

They controlled the metaphorical
thread of life of every mortal and
immortal from birth to death (and beyond).

Even the gods feared the Moirae. Zeus also was subject to their power,
as the Pythian priestess at Delphi once admitted. The Greek word moira
(µ???a) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one's
portion in life or destiny.

The fates are responsible for individual destiny. Clotho (Spinner)
spins out the thread of life which carries with it the fate of each
human being from the moment of birth. Lachesis (Apportioner) measures
the thread. Atropos (Inflexible) sometimes characterized as the
smallest and most terrible, cuts it off and brings life to an end.

Destiny implies control. Control over the behavior of individuals as
well as populations of individuals. The Greek's story of the Three
Sisters has surprising similarities to the networks of controls that
influence all living creatures.

Layers upon layers of controls delineate the destined actions of a herd
of elephants or a culture of blue-green algae. Or a whole ecosystem
like a coral reef. These nested webs of controls assure that, in the
end, the development of every minute detail of every individual
creature will assume the proper form and function for its environment -
even if the creature is a complex atoll 60 kilometers in diameter and
millions of years old. This is what the science of ecology is all
about.

The Moirae were supposed to appear three nights after a child's birth
to determine the course of its life.

The three witches encountered by Macbeth on the heath, addressed as the
Weird Sisters, are compared to the Three Fates. (The English word
weird, in fact, comes from the Old English wyrd, meaning fate.) They
likewise have forbidding appearances (beards), and appear to determine
the fates of all individuals. Even Granny Weatherwax from Terry
Pratchett's Discworld are loosely based on the Moirae.

The Origins of the Three Sisters of Fate

The Greek version was probably built around the ancient meaning of the
word moera; a share or a phase. The ancients believed the moon had
three important phases, associated with three personalities that
resemble the three sisters of the Moirae:

New Moon, the Maiden-goddess of the
spring, the first period of the year, when
the crops appeared from the soil and
wove their welcome patterns into the air.

Full Moon, the Nymph-goddess of the
summer, the second period, was the
measure of the harvest, and

Old Moon, the Crone-goddess of autumn,
the last period before life subsided
into the winter season.

The Three Sisters appear in various guises in mythology. In Athens,
Aphrodite or Urania was also known as "the eldest of the Fates." She
was the Goddess of Desire who rose naked from Chaos and danced on the
surface of the sea. In Syria and Palestine, Aphrodite was worshipped as
Ishtar or Ashtaroth. In any guise, the role of the fates was easily
recognized and nearly everyone believed in the concept of destiny.

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?deity=FATES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fates
http://mythology.tonyarn.com/sisters/fates.html
http://www.log-of-the-moira.com/MOIRAE.HTM

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Clotho
http://images.google.com/images?q=Lachesis+greek
http://images.google.com/images?q=Atropos

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:02 pm
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Immortalist wrote:
> FATES: The three Greek Goddesses of Destiny and Fate. Otherwise known
> as the Moirae, these timeless old_hags weave the threads of destiny
> that control your life. The original spin doctors.

Hmm ... so that's who Ayn Rand was. Who were the other two? Cool

> http://tinyurl.com/2uluwt
> http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?deity=FATES
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fates
> http://mythology.tonyarn.com/sisters/fates.html
> http://www.log-of-the-moira.com/MOIRAE.HTM
> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Clotho
> http://images.google.com/images?q=Lachesis+greek
> http://images.google.com/images?q=Atropos

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:48 pm
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The word "moira" in Ancient Greek means, more or less, "deadly fate".
This was what Hektor saw and went to meet at Akhilleus' hand in the
first known Greek text, the Iliad. Although the idea of moera is also
amusing... perhaps you should visit perseus.net or search for journals
or texts on the Fates as well as googling a few sites.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:03 am
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George Dance wrote:
> Immortalist wrote:
> > FATES: The three Greek Goddesses of Destiny and Fate. Otherwise known
> > as the Moirae, these timeless old_hags weave the threads of destiny
> > that control your life. The original spin doctors.
>
> Hmm ... so that's who Ayn Rand was. Who were the other two? Cool
>

I was thinking more along the lines of, Boxer, Feinstein, Clinton or
Pelosi

>:> http://tinyurl.com/2uluwt


> > http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?deity=FATES
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fates
> > http://mythology.tonyarn.com/sisters/fates.html
> > http://www.log-of-the-moira.com/MOIRAE.HTM
> > http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Clotho
> > http://images.google.com/images?q=Lachesis+greek
> > http://images.google.com/images?q=Atropos
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:05 am
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Tanya.Fenworth.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> The word "moira" in Ancient Greek means, more or less, "deadly fate".
> This was what Hektor saw and went to meet at Akhilleus' hand in the
> first known Greek text, the Iliad. Although the idea of moera is also
> amusing... perhaps you should visit perseus.net or search for journals
> or texts on the Fates as well as googling a few sites.

In the Pantheon of Gods R' Us, I like to think they are one of the
symbols of development, but I will go there and look further, thanx;

Human development is the process of growing to maturity. In biological
terms, this entails growth from a one-celled zygote to an adult human
being. Life history theory is an analytical framework widely used in
animal and human biology, psychology, and evolutionary anthropology
which postulates that many of the physiological traits and behaviors of
individuals may be best understood in terms of the key maturational and
reproductive characteristics that define the life course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-history_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_%28biology%29

A human life is often divided into various ages. Because biological
changes are slow moving and vary from person to person arbitrary dates
are usually set to mark periods of human life. In some cultures the
divisions given below are quite varied.

In the USA, adulthood legally begins at the age of eighteen or
nineteen, while old age is considered to begin at the age of legal
retirement (approximately 65).

Pre-Conception - Ovum,
Spermatozoon, Pre-existence

Conception - Fertilisation

Pre-birth conception - 9 months

Infancy birth - 2

Childhood 2 - 12

Adolescence 13 - 19

Early Adulthood 20 - 39

Middle Adulthood 40 - 64

Late Adulthood 65+

Death

Post-Death - Afterlife, Ghost,
Cryogenics, Decomposition

-----------------------------------
Ages can also be divided by decade:

Vicenarian: someone between
20 and 29 years of age

Tricenarian: someone between
30 and 39 years of age

Quadragenarian: someone between
40 and 49 years of age

Quinquagenarian: someone between
50 and 59 years of age

Sexagenarian: someone between
60 and 69 years of age

Septuagenarian: someone between
70 and 79 years of age

Octogenarian: someone between
80 and 89 years of age

Nonagenarian: someone between
90 and 99 years of age

Centenarian: someone between
100 and 109 years of age

Supercentenarian: someone over
110 years of age

See also Seven ages of man for an older system of dividing the human
life.

In some cultures (for example Serbian and Russian) there are two ways
to express age: by counting years with or without including current
year. For example it could be said about the same person that he is
twenty years old or that he is in twenty-first year of his life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing

Developmental psychology, also known as Human Development, is the
scientific study of progressive psychological changes that occur in
human beings as they age. Originally concerned with infants and
children, and later other periods of great change such as adolescence
and aging, it now encompasses the entire life span. This field examines
change across a broad range of topics including motor skills and other
psycho-physiological processes, problem solving abilities, conceptual
understanding, acquisition of language, moral understanding, and
identity formation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_psychology

In Developmental psychology, a stage is a distinct phase in an
individual's development. Many theories in psychology characterize
development in terms of stages:

Erik Erikson's stages of psychosocial development
expanding on Freud's psychosexual stages, he
defined eight stages that describes how
individuals relate to their social world.

James W. Fowler's stages of faith
development theory

Sigmund Freud's Psychosexual stages to describe
the progression of an individual's
unconscious desires.

Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development
to describe how individuals develop in
reasoning about morals.

Jane Loevinger, Stages of ego development

Margaret Mahler's psychoanalytic developmental
theory contained three phases regarding
the child's object relations.

Jean Piaget's theory of cognitive development to
describe how children reason and
interact with their surroundings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_stage
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"Immortalist" <reanimater_2000.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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FATES: The three Greek Goddesses of Destiny and Fate. Otherwise known
as the Moirae, these timeless old_hags weave the threads of destiny
that control your life. The original spin doctors.
http://tinyurl.com/2uluwt In Greek mythology, the white-robed Moirae or
Moerae (in Greek Moipai - the "apportioners", often called the Fates)
were the personifications of destiny (Roman equivalent: Parcae,
"sparing ones", or Fata; also equivalent to the Germanic Norns).

They controlled the metaphorical
thread of life of every mortal and
immortal from birth to death (and beyond).

Even the gods feared the Moirae. Zeus also was subject to their power,
as the Pythian priestess at Delphi once admitted. The Greek word moira
(µ???a) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one's
portion in life or destiny.

The fates are responsible for individual destiny. Clotho (Spinner)
spins out the thread of life which carries with it the fate of each
human being from the moment of birth. Lachesis (Apportioner) measures
the thread. Atropos (Inflexible) sometimes characterized as the
smallest and most terrible, cuts it off and brings life to an end.

Destiny implies control. Control over the behavior of individuals as
well as populations of individuals. The Greek's story of the Three
Sisters has surprising similarities to the networks of controls that
influence all living creatures.

Layers upon layers of controls delineate the destined actions of a herd
of elephants or a culture of blue-green algae. Or a whole ecosystem
like a coral reef. These nested webs of controls assure that, in the
end, the development of every minute detail of every individual
creature will assume the proper form and function for its environment -
even if the creature is a complex atoll 60 kilometers in diameter and
millions of years old. This is what the science of ecology is all
about.

The Moirae were supposed to appear three nights after a child's birth
to determine the course of its life.

The three witches encountered by Macbeth on the heath, addressed as the
Weird Sisters, are compared to the Three Fates. (The English word
weird, in fact, comes from the Old English wyrd, meaning fate.) They
likewise have forbidding appearances (beards), and appear to determine
the fates of all individuals. Even Granny Weatherwax from Terry
Pratchett's Discworld are loosely based on the Moirae.

The Origins of the Three Sisters of Fate

The Greek version was probably built around the ancient meaning of the
word moera; a share or a phase. The ancients believed the moon had
three important phases, associated with three personalities that
resemble the three sisters of the Moirae:

New Moon, the Maiden-goddess of the
spring, the first period of the year, when
the crops appeared from the soil and
wove their welcome patterns into the air.

Full Moon, the Nymph-goddess of the
summer, the second period, was the
measure of the harvest, and

Old Moon, the Crone-goddess of autumn,
the last period before life subsided
into the winter season.

The Three Sisters appear in various guises in mythology. In Athens,
Aphrodite or Urania was also known as "the eldest of the Fates." She
was the Goddess of Desire who rose naked from Chaos and danced on the
surface of the sea. In Syria and Palestine, Aphrodite was worshipped as
Ishtar or Ashtaroth. In any guise, the role of the fates was easily
recognized and nearly everyone believed in the concept of destiny.

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?deity=FATES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fates
http://mythology.tonyarn.com/sisters/fates.html
http://www.log-of-the-moira.com/MOIRAE.HTM

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Clotho
http://images.google.com/images?q=Lachesis+greek
http://images.google.com/images?q=Atropos

**********************

The Greeks weren't beyond humour over things like this. Zeus' first
words in the Odyssey are;
It's disgraceful how these humans blame the gods.
They say their tribulations come from us,
when they themselves, through their own foolishness,
bring hardships which are not decreed by Fate.

Ed
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