Troels Forchhammer <Troels DeleteThis @ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>
> <snip>
>
>> So your task is to supply (as best as you can remember) the first and
>> last lines of dialogue for the characters named below. If you can't
>> remember the words, describe the scene or try to guess which chapter
>> the dialogue is from. Otherwise skip that question and carry on with
>> the other questions.
WARNING - Answers supplied below.
I'd normally wait a bit before posting the answers, but I now realise I
set the questions way too hard. I couldn't even remember the answers
after writing them! And anyway, I've thought of some much better
questions. I think this sort of question would work much better as a
buzzer-type quiz (not really possible on USENET): After a roll of drums,
start to read out the lines and get people to buzz in and say who is
speaking. Easy for some, hard for others...
> OK -- trying from memory 
I was very impressed with what you managed to get.
Much better than me. I had to look most of it up.
>> First words
>> ========
>>
>> 1) Boromir
>
> At the Council of Elrond (II,2). It is his speech about the situation
> in Gondor -- something like "Let me say something about the situation
> in Gondor, for verily I have come all the way from there".
Not quite. He first interrupts Elrond:
"So that is what became of the Ring! If ever such a tale was told in the
South, it has long been forgotten. I have heard of the Great Ring of him
that we do not name; but we believed that it perished from the world in
the ruin of his first realm. Isildur took it! That is tidings indeed."
(The Council of Elrond)
Only later does he say: "Give me leave, Master Elrond, first to say more
of Gondor; for verily from the land of Gondor I am come."
>> 2) Saruman
>
> Excluding Gandalf's account at the Council of his meeting with
> Saruman, it would have to be in 'The Voice of Saruman' (III,10?). It
> isn't quite "who are you and what do you want", but it's close. It's
> just before his "some of you I recognise" remark.
Correct.
"Well? Why must you disturb my rest? Will you give me no peace at all by
night or day?" (The Voice of Saruman)
It is interesting that part of the powers of Saruman's words is that
they are very persuasive, but difficult to recall:
"Those who listened unwarily to that voice could seldom report the words
that they heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power
remained in them."
>> 3) The Lord of the Nazgul
>
> "Begone old fool!" to Gandalf at the broken gate of Minas Tirith. 'The
> Pyre of Denethor', IIRC.
Correct scene. Wrong chapter.
"Old fool! Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see
it? Die now and curse in vain!" (The Siege of Minas Tirith)
Although there is a case to be made for the calling by the Nazgul to
Frodo at the Ford of Bruinen: "Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will
take you! [...] The Ring! The Ring!"
Not quite sure where you got 'begone' from!
You might be thinking of the following:
"Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!"
"Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will
smite you, if you touch him."
"We did not come here to waste words in treating with Sauron, faithless
and accursed; still less with one of his slaves. Begone!"
"Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall
be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom."
Note all the exclamation marks!!
>> 4) Denethor
>
> The situation is easy, but I don't recall if his first words were
> directed at Gandalf or Pippin -- Gandalf I think, something including
> that he had heard that Mithrandir had brought someone who saw his son
> die.
Close enough.
"Dark indeed is the hour, and at such times you are wont to come,
Mithrandir. But though all the signs forebode that the doom of Gondor is
drawing nigh, less now to me is that darkness than my own darkness. It
has been told to me that you bring with you one who saw my son die. Is
this he?" (Minas Tirith)
>> 5) Galadriel
>
> I think it's her 'don't be so harsh' comment to Celeborn before she
> welcomes the Fellowship to Caras Galadhon.
Afraid not.
"Nay, there was no change of counsel. Gandalf the Grey set out with the
Company, but he did not pass the borders of this land. Now tell us where
he is; for I much desired to speak with him again. But I cannot see him
from afar, unless he comes within the fences of Lothlorien: a grey mist
is about him, and the ways of his feet and of his mind are hidden from
me." (The Mirror of Galadriel)
You are thinking of the second time she speaks:
"He would be rash indeed that said that thing. Needless were none of the
deeds of Gandalf in life."
>> 6) Arwen
>
> I don't think we hear her say anything until she gives the crystal and
> her ticket to Frodo.
Correct. Though that is really the last line bit. First she talks about
Bilbo:
"Do you wonder at that, Ring-bearer? For you know the power of that
thing which is now destroyed; and all that was done by that power is now
passing away. But your kinsman possessed this thing longer than you. He
is ancient in years now, according to his kind; and he awaits you, for
he will not again make any long journey save one." (Many Partings)
>> 7) Treebeard
>
> "Did you indeed" -- to Merry and Pippin on the hill to Pippin's(?)
> comment that he almost liked the forest in the sunlight.
Correct.
"Almost felt you liked the Forest! That's good! That's uncommonly kind
of you. Turn round and let me have a look at your faces. I almost feel
that I dislike you both, but do not let us be hasty. Turn round!"
(Treebeard)
>> 
Elrond
>
> In LotR, I hope 
Yes. Not 'The Hobbit'...
> Is there any dialogue reported before he wakes Bilbo in 'Many
> Meetings'?
No. So you are correct. That is very good!
This one surprised me, I thought he spoke earlier.
"Awake little master [...] Now at last the hour has come that you have
wished for, Frodo. Here is a friend that you have long missed." (Many
Meetings)
>> 9) Eowyn
>
> Ehh . . .
This one is extremely difficult, but memorable:
"Ferthu Theoden hal! Receive now this cup and drink in happy hour.
Health be with thee at thy going and coming!" (The King of the Golden
Hall)
>> 10) Eomer
>
> "Who are you?" (or words to that effect). To the Three Hunters in
> III,5 'The Riders of Rohan'.
Correct.
"Who are you, and what are you doing in this land?" (The Riders of
Rohan)
>> 11) Gimli
>
> I don't think he says anything before his "Faithless is he who turns
> away . . ." comment in II,3 'The Ring Goes South'.
Well done!
Again, I thought he spoke earlier, but Gloin does all the
talking to Bilbo and at the Council.
"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." (The Ring
Goes South)
>> 12) Tom Bombadil
>
> That'll be his "Ringading dillo" song as he is coming towards Frodo.
Correct.
"Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!" (The Old Forest)
I make that 9/12 (with a bit of generous marking).
That is still very, very good.
Now for the last words...
>> Last Words
>> ========
>>
>> 1) Gollum
>
> With a last wailing "Preciouuuuuusssss!" . . .
Correct.
"Precious, precious, precious! My Precious! O my Precious!"
[Precioouuuuusssss......] (Mount Doom)
>> 2) Boromir
>
> "I have failed"
Correct.
"Farewell, Aragorn! Go to Minas Tirith and save my people! I have
failed." (The Departure of Boromir)
>> 3) Theoden
>
> "Hail Éomer, King of the Mark!"
Close enough, but technically incorrect.
"Hail, King of the Mark! Ride now to victory! Bid Eowyn farewell!" (The
Battle of the Pelennor Fields)
>> 4) The Lord of the Nazgul
>
> "No man may oppose me"
Correct.
"Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!" (The Battle of the
Pelennor Fields)
>> 5) Denethor
>
> "Did you think the eyes of Gondor were blind?" Something like that, to
> Gandalf referring to the palantír.
Nope. He says quite a lot more after that comment, finishing with:
"Come hither! Come, if you are not all recreant!" (The Pyre of Denethor)
Or if you prefer to go back a bit further:
"So! Thou hadst already stolen half my son's love [...] But in this at
least thou shalt not defy my will: to rule my own end."
>> 6) Sam
>
> "I am home"
Tsk. Incorrect. This one has to be word perfect!
"Well, I'm back." (The Grey Havens)
>> 7) Gandalf
>
> "Not all tears are evil"?
Correct.
"Well, here at last, dear friends, on the shores of the Sea comes the
end of our fellowship in Middle-earth. Go in peace! I will not say: do
not weep; for not all tears are an evil." (The Grey Havens)
>> Frodo
>
> He did, IIRC, make some kind of speech on the quay in Grey Havens,
> but I don't recall his last words -- "Goodbye?"
LOL! Surprisingly, Frodo's last words (though he must have said some)
are not recorded. The last recorded words from him are to Sam after
explaining that he is riding to the Havens:
"Come now, ride with me!" (The Grey Havens)
>> 9) Bilbo
>
> Don't remember.
Complete blank? Oh well.
"And now I think I am quite ready to go on another journey. Are you
coming?" (The Grey Havens)
This one reminded me strongly of the film. And it is a very nice
comment. It ties in nicely with one of Bilbo's earliest comments at the
beginning of the story:
"Yes. I am very fond indeed of it, and of all the dear old Shire; but I
think I need a holiday." (A Long-expected Party)
>> 10) Galadriel
>
> I think it's her "I see you have used my present well" to Sam.
Correct. That is well-remembered.
"Well, Master Samwise. I hear and see that you have used my gift well.
The Shire shall now be more than ever blessed and beloved." (The Grey
Havens)
>> 11) Cirdan
>
> Ehh?
This is actually a combined first and last line!
He gets four whole words!
"All is now ready." (The Grey Havens)
>> 12) Arwen
>
> In the appendix -- it would be the speech about having always thought
> the Númenoreans foolish, but now understanding them better; about
> Eru's gift being bitter.
Whoops. You must have forgotten my stipulation that the Appendices are
excluded. However, as the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen is an integral part
of the story, I will allow this one!
Either:
"I must indeed abide the Doom of Men [...] but I pity [the Numenoreans]
at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to
Men, it is bitter to receive." (Appendix A - The Tale of Aragorn and
Arwen)
Or (my preference):
"Estel, Estel!" (Appendix A - The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen)
Or (from LotR proper):
"...wear this now in memory of Elfstone and Evenstar with whom your life
has been woven! When the memory of the fear and the darkness troubles
you, this will bring you aid." (Many Partings)
>> 13) Aragorn
>
> "Beyond the world is more than memory"
Again, I'll allow this, but you should have recycled your guess at what
Frodo said (Good-bye):
"Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and
beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!" (Appendix A - The Tale of
Aragorn and Arwen)
Or (from LotR proper):
"And remember, dear friends of the Shire, that my realm lies also in the
North, and I shall come there one day." (Many Partings)
>> 14) Treebeard
>
> 'If you see any Entwives, then come and tell me' -- words to that
> effect to Merry and Pippin.
Good!
"Well, good-bye! And don't forget that if you hear any news of the
Entwives in your land, you will send word to me." (Many Partings)
>> 15) Celeborn
>
> "I hope your treasure stays with you to the end" (Not sure, though).
Absolutely correct!
"Kinsman, farewell! May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure
remain with you to the end!" (Many Partings)
>> 16) Elrond
>
> Don't remember.
<gasp> Admittedly it is rather surprising that Elrond never speaks in
the Grey Havens chapter (or rather we are not told what he says - I
think he was playing the harp and not singing):
"I think, Frodo, that maybe you will not need to come back, unless you
come very soon. For about this time of the year, when the leaves are
gold before they fall, look for Bilbo in the woods of the Shire. I shall
be with him." (Many Partings)
>> 17) Eomer
>> 1 Eowyn
>
> I think that would be when they gave Merry the horn. He, IIRC, sais
> something about the kings of past who would have laden heaps of
> treasure on Merry, but that Merry refused to take but his equipment
> which he accepted because he had no fitting gifts to give. Then Éowyn
> begged him to take the horn "in memory of Dernhelm and the horns of
> Rohan" on the morning of the Battle of the Pelennor fields and told
> him its history and usefulness.
I'll give you full credit for this. You did give a bit of Eomer's words
to Eowyn though....
Eomer: "Kings of old would have laden you with gifts that a wain could
not bear for your deeds upon the fields of Mundburg; and yet you will
take naught, you say, but the arms that were given to you. This I
suffer, for indeed I have no gift that is worthy; but my sister begs you
to receive this small thing, as a memorial of Dernhelm and of the horns
of the Mark at the coming of the morning." (Many Partings)
Eowyn: "This is an heirloom of our house. It was made by the Dwarves,
and came from the hoard of Scatha the Worm. Eorl the Young brought it
from the North. He that blows it at need shall set fear in the hearts of
his enemies and joy in the hearts of his friends, and they shall hear
him and come to him." (Many Partings)
>> 19) Legolas
>
> That about not letting a Dwarf getting the last word so now they
> should visit Fangorn (him and Gimli).
Correct.
"Now by Fangorn's leave I will visit the deep places of the Entwood and
see such trees as are nowhere else to be found in Middle-earth. You
shall come with me and keep your word; and thus we will journey on
together to our own lands in Mirkwood and beyond." (Many Partings)
>> 20) Gimli
>
> Don't recall what, where or when :-/
But...but...BUT... This is one of the most poignant passages in the
whole book!! Admittedly you might not think of Gimli saying it:
"We will send word when we may, and some of us may yet meet at times;
but I fear that we shall not all be gathered together ever again." (Many
Partings)
>> 21) Tom Bombadil
>
> Some 'I have to go home to Goldberry' sort of thing . . .
Correct.
"Tom's country ends here: he will not pass the borders. Tom has his
house to mind, and Goldberry is waiting!" (Fog on the Barrow-downs)
That is 14/21 for the last words section of the quiz.
> Hmmm -- not as good as I had hoped. I think I'll wait a bit before
> checking
First words: 9/12 (75%)
Last words: 14/21 (67%)
TOTAL: 23/33 (70%)
I think that is most impressive!
Christopher
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Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard
"He is not half through yet, and to what he will come in the end not
even Elrond can foretell. Not to evil, I think. He may become like a
glass filled with a clear light for eyes to see that can." - Gandalf on
Frodo's fate (Many Meetings, FotR)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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