Flying Horses

> Tim Bruening wrote:

I would really like to discuss something substantive about the Chronicles.
Do you have anything? If not, why not try to come up with something
interesting.
Blessings,
Ann
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AJA wrote:

> > Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> I would really like to discuss something substantive about the Chronicles.
> Do you have anything? If not, why not try to come up with something
> interesting.
> Blessings,
> Ann

The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive enough?

The Beavers somehow went extinct too, between LWW and Prince Caspian.
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Tim Bruening wrote:

> The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive enough?
>
> The Beavers somehow went extinct too, between LWW and Prince Caspian.


You are talking about trivial suppositions about a work of fiction,
does it matter? This isn't a real world, species do not become extinct,
they never existed in the first place. Someone, in this case Lewis,
made up the whole thing. To examine a fictional world as if it were
real is cute, for a bit, and I am sure there are groups that would
enjoy going on endlessly about it.

Daryl
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> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
>> The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive
>> enough?
>>
>> The Beavers somehow went extinct too, between LWW and Prince Caspian.

Yes in digging up all this trivia you seem to have missed the point
entirely. _The Last Battle_: (211-212) "That was not the real Narnia. That
had a beginning and an end. I was only a shadow or a copy of the real
Narnia which has always been here and always will be here."
And the direct answer your question about extinctions: "All of the old
Narnia that mattered, all the dear creature, have been drawn into the real
Narnia through the Door."

Doesn't it often seem that we ourselves are in the Shadowlands? It does to
me.

Blessings,
Ann
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In article <2NEig.1779$2Q1.814@fe10.lga>, AJA <ahnemann.RemoveThis@optonline.net>
wrote:

> > Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> I would really like to discuss something substantive about the Chronicles.
Do it. The Net will *not* be overloaded.
> Do you have anything? If not, why not try to come up with something
> interesting.

What would you consider somethign substative?
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AJA wrote:

> > Tim Bruening wrote:
> >
> >> The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive
> >> enough?
> >>
> >> The Beavers somehow went extinct too, between LWW and Prince Caspian.
>
> Yes in digging up all this trivia you seem to have missed the point
> entirely. _The Last Battle_: (211-212) "That was not the real Narnia. That
> had a beginning and an end. I was only a shadow or a copy of the real
> Narnia which has always been here and always will be here."
> And the direct answer your question about extinctions: "All of the old
> Narnia that mattered, all the dear creature, have been drawn into the real
> Narnia through the Door."
>
> Doesn't it often seem that we ourselves are in the Shadowlands? It does to
> me.

I have sometimes felt an unreality about our Shadow Earth, as if we were in a
Matrix (to mix stories). For example, there is Bush lying to get us into the
Iraq war, and Bush cutting taxes on the rich in the middle of said war, in
defiance of tradition (we usually raise taxes during a war).
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"darylgene@aol.com" wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive enough?
> >
> > The Beavers somehow went extinct too, between LWW and Prince Caspian.
>
> You are talking about trivial suppositions about a work of fiction,
> does it matter? This isn't a real world, species do not become extinct,
> they never existed in the first place. Someone, in this case Lewis,
> made up the whole thing. To examine a fictional world as if it were
> real is cute, for a bit, and I am sure there are groups that would
> enjoy going on endlessly about it.

Since Lewis made a big point of introducing a flying horse in The Magician's
Nephew, and even had Aslan say the Fledge the flying horse would be the father of
all flying horses in Narnia, I was surprised that they never show up again in
"Shadowland" Narnia, only in the True Narnia Heaven Aslan runs. (Why did Lewis
introduce a flying horse in the prequal book TMN when he hadn't included them in
LWW and the other books)?
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> "darylgene@aol.com" wrote:
>
> > Tim Bruening wrote:
> >
> > > The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive enough?
> > >
> > You are talking about trivial suppositions about a work of fiction,
> > does it matter? This isn't a real world,
>
> Since Lewis made a big point of introducing a flying horse in The Magician's
> Nephew, and even had Aslan say the Fledge the flying horse would be the father of
> all flying horses in Narnia, I was surprised that they never show up again in
> "Shadowland" Narnia, only in the True Narnia Heaven Aslan runs. (Why did Lewis
> introduce a flying horse in the prequal book TMN when he hadn't included them in
> LWW and the other books)?


Because he wanted to? The stories do not revolve around the existence
of the flying horses but in TMN Lewis wanted to make a particular
point. Being the author and having absolute control over the content of
his books, he could do that. The point is...why does it matter? Nothing
in the message or import of the books is changed by the fact that
flying horses do not appear in the other books.

Daryl
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"darylgene@aol.com" wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
> > "darylgene@aol.com" wrote:
> >
> > > Tim Bruening wrote:
> > >
> > > > The apparent extinction of the flying horse species isn't substantive enough?
> > > >
> > > You are talking about trivial suppositions about a work of fiction,
> > > does it matter? This isn't a real world,
> >
> > Since Lewis made a big point of introducing a flying horse in The Magician's
> > Nephew, and even had Aslan say the Fledge the flying horse would be the father of
> > all flying horses in Narnia, I was surprised that they never show up again in
> > "Shadowland" Narnia, only in the True Narnia Heaven Aslan runs. (Why did Lewis
> > introduce a flying horse in the prequal book TMN when he hadn't included them in
> > LWW and the other books)?
>
> Because he wanted to? The stories do not revolve around the existence
> of the flying horses but in TMN Lewis wanted to make a particular
> point. Being the author and having absolute control over the content of
> his books, he could do that. The point is...why does it matter? Nothing
> in the message or import of the books is changed by the fact that
> flying horses do not appear in the other books.

Aslan roared to Strawberry/Fledge: "Be winged. Be the father of all flying horses".
This implies that Aslan intended that flying horses be an enduring species in Narnia,
so a first time reader, reading the books in chronological order, could reasonably
expect flying horses to appear in chronologically later books (LWW through the Last
Battle), and might wonder why they don't appear in later books.

Also, flying horses would have come in handy in the battle against the White Witch
(mount archers on flying horses to rain arrows down on the witch's army) and in the
battles in Prince Caspian.
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"darylgene@aol.com" <darylgene RemoveThis @aol.com> writes:

> Because he wanted to? The stories do not revolve around the existence
> of the flying horses but in TMN Lewis wanted to make a particular
> point. Being the author and having absolute control over the content of
> his books, he could do that.

Leaving behind Bruening's cumbersome questions, I'd like to raise
a hopefully less annoying one: What WAS the point of Fledge? Was there
one at all, besides Lewis needing transportation for Digory? You seem
to think so...

--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o
The RockBear. ((^))
I speak only 0}._.{0
for myself. O/ \O
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AJA wrote:

> > Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> I would really like to discuss something substantive about the Chronicles.
> Do you have anything? If not, why not try to come up with something
> interesting.

Here is something substantive, about the Dwarfs in "The Last Battle" who are
taken into a Magic Stable. They perceive it as an ordinary, smelly, dark
stable. Aslan's followers perceive it as a sunlight paradise that's far
bigger than a stable.

Chapter 13, "How The Dwarfs Refused To Be Taken In". King Tirian has
gone through a stable door to find a paradise that's much bigger than
the stable. In there, he found Digory and Polly from The Magician's
Nephew, Peter, Susan, Lucy, Eustace, and Jill. In the Stable Paradise
are also 11 Dwarfs, who can't perceive the paradise. To them, it looks
like an ordinary stable. They can't see anything in that stable because
the stable is enclosed and its night outside. Also, they can only smell
what would be in a stable. This is because those Dwarfs had ceased to
believe in Aslan or anything else, due to having been fooled by the fake
Aslan.

These Dwarfs appear to be in a reality which is slightly altered from the
reality inhabited by King Tirian and the other Friends of Narnia. The
Dwarfs are in a "Stable Reality" while Tirian et al are in a "Paradise
Reality". However, "Paradise Reality" people can talk to the Dwarfs,
physically move the Dwarfs, and put solid objects in front of the Dwarfs
that the Dwarfs can pick up and even eat. However, the Dwarfs can only
perceive sounds, smells, sights, and touches in terms of the "Stable
Reality"

They can't see the light of the Paradise Reality. Also, if they
intersect the wall of the stable in their reality, the wall is solid to them.

However, that same wall is nonexistent to people in the "Paradise
Reality", and they can see the light, smell the flowers, and eat the fruit of

Paradise.

Examples below:

Tirian swung one Dwarf out of the Dwarf circle, but he darted back to
the circle, rubbing his nose as if he had bumped into the stable wall.
What would have happened if Tirian had tried to take a Dwarf outside the
imaginary stable? Would the Dwarf have gotten crushed on the stable
wall?

Aslan conjured a glorious feast for the Dwarfs, but the food tastes like
stable food to the Dwarfs. What would have happened if Aslan had
conjured a bonfire for the Dwarfs with 1) Paradise wood, or 2) Wood from
the Narnia outside the stable. Would the Dwarfs have been able to see
the fire?
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AJA wrote:

> > Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> I would really like to discuss something substantive about the Chronicles.
> Do you have anything? If not, why not try to come up with something
> interesting.

Here is something substantive, about the Dwarfs in "The Last Battle" who
are
taken into a Magic Stable. They perceive it as an ordinary, smelly,
dark
stable. Aslan's followers perceive it as a sunlight paradise that's far
bigger than a stable.

Chapter 13, "How The Dwarfs Refused To Be Taken In". King Tirian has
gone through a stable door to find a paradise that's much bigger than
the stable. In there, he found Digory and Polly from The Magician's
Nephew, Peter, Susan, Lucy, Eustace, and Jill. In the Stable Paradise
are also 11 Dwarfs, who can't perceive the paradise. To them, it looks
like an ordinary stable. They can't see anything in that stable because
the stable is enclosed and its night outside. Also, they can only smell
what would be in a stable. This is because those Dwarfs had ceased to
believe in Aslan or anything else, due to having been fooled by the fake
Aslan.

These Dwarfs appear to be in a reality which is slightly altered from
the
reality inhabited by King Tirian and the other Friends of Narnia. The
Dwarfs are in a "Stable Reality" while Tirian et al are in a "Paradise
Reality". However, "Paradise Reality" people can talk to the Dwarfs,
physically move the Dwarfs, and put solid objects in front of the Dwarfs
that the Dwarfs can pick up and even eat. However, the Dwarfs can only
perceive sounds, smells, sights, and touches in terms of the "Stable
Reality"

They can't see the light of the Paradise Reality. Also, if they
intersect the wall of the stable in their reality, the wall is solid to
them.

However, that same wall is nonexistent to people in the "Paradise
Reality", and they can see the light, smell the flowers, and eat the
fruit of

Paradise.

Examples below:

Tirian swung one Dwarf out of the Dwarf circle, but he darted back to
the circle, rubbing his nose as if he had bumped into the stable wall.
What would have happened if Tirian had tried to take a Dwarf outside the
imaginary stable? Would the Dwarf have gotten crushed on the stable
wall?

Aslan conjured a glorious feast for the Dwarfs, but the food tastes like
stable food to the Dwarfs. What would have happened if Aslan had
conjured a bonfire for the Dwarfs with 1) Paradise wood, or 2) Wood from
the Narnia outside the stable. Would the Dwarfs have been able to see
the fire?
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