? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth"

In article <bV9ee.25217$G8.6474@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Christopher
Kreuzer <spamgard DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>I think your best bet is to look yourself at the two copies, and see if
>there are any differences. Unfortunately, to do that, you may have to
>buy one of them and take it to where the other one is. If you are buying
>both over the internet, you won't even be able to do that.
>
>Other than that, your best bet is asking the publishers, and trying to
>find out what changes were made for the 2001 revised edition. I would
>think it unlikely that anyone actually owns both editions.

I'd be surprised if Alan Reynolds doesn't own both !

Michele
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 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

Probably the easiest way to check is to look at the 'Selected
References' at the end of the book - if the last 4 volumes of the
History of Middle-earth are included then it has been updated since
1991.

Deagol
An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
www.tolkienbooks.net
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Thanks Michele as it happens, I do have a copy of each. The
second ed. is not greatly different to the first, ie in size and
layout, but there are corrections to the original text.

There is not much in the 2nd ed. about HoMe. Fonstad explains in the
foreword that

'the wealth of information could not be incorporated into the atlas
without complete redesign, which would double the length, and, most
important, produce possible confusion to the thousands of readers who
had read only the original version of the Middle-earth tales'

....'Within the role of correcting the original atlas, the History had
an impact in three areas: additional drawings and maps not previously
available: more detailed discussions in early versions which were
absent ... in the final published accounts: and additional names for
many locations'.


I prefer hardcover, too; and to tell the truth, there's not much new in
the paperback.
- but if you want updated info, you need the latest ed.


Alan
 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

Oops!

I've just rechecked, and found that my paperback copy is the 1992 ed. I
guess the best thing to do is to follow Deagol's advice.

sorry

Alan
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Alan wrote:
> Thanks Michele as it happens, I do have a copy of each. The
> second ed. is not greatly different to the first, ie in size and
> layout, but there are corrections to the original text.
>
> There is not much in the 2nd ed. about HoMe. Fonstad explains in the
> foreword that
>
> 'the wealth of information could not be incorporated into the atlas
> without complete redesign, which would double the length, and, most
> important, produce possible confusion to the thousands of readers who
> had read only the original version of the Middle-earth tales'
>
> ...'Within the role of correcting the original atlas, the History had
> an impact in three areas: additional drawings and maps not previously
> available: more detailed discussions in early versions which were
> absent ... in the final published accounts: and additional names for
> many locations'.
>
>
> I prefer hardcover, too; and to tell the truth, there's not much new
in
> the paperback.
> - but if you want updated info, you need the latest ed.
>
>
> Alan

Oops! I've just rechecked, and found that my paperback copy is the
revised ed. dated 1992. [copyright 1991] - not the 2001 text at all. I
suppose the best thing would be to follow Deagol'e advice.

Alan
 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

>> Deagol
>> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
>> www.tolkienbooks.net

> Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?

> That is an amazing website you have!

Thanks on _oth counts!

Deagol
An Illustrated Tolkien Bibliography
www.tolkienbooks.net
 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

webmaster.DeleteThis@tolkienbooks.net <webmaster.DeleteThis@tolkienbooks.net> wrote:
> Probably the easiest way to check is to look at the 'Selected
> References' at the end of the book - if the last 4 volumes of the
> History of Middle-earth are included then it has been updated since
> 1991.

Good idea.

> Deagol
> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
> www.tolkienbooks.net

Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?

That is an amazing website you have!

Christopher

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 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

In article <FNtee.25875$G8.7815@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Christopher
Kreuzer <spamgard.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>> Deagol
>> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
>> www.tolkienbooks.net
>
>Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?

But you didn't actually point out that the second "B" in biBliography
was missing... ! And since Deagol hadn't noticed it in the first place,
there's no guarantee he'd have noticed it now either - the mind often
reads what the eyes expect to see - I know this from long association
with proof-reading even before it became my trade...

Michele
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Without [literature], for me, the world would be, indeed, a howling
desert.
- Henry James
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 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

Michele Fry <michele RemoveThis @sassoonery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <FNtee.25875$G8.7815@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>>> Deagol
>>> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
>>> www.tolkienbooks.net
>>
>> Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?
>
> But you didn't actualy point out that the second "B" in biBliography
> was missing... ! And since Deagol hadnt noticed it is the first
> place, there's no guarantee he'd have noticed it now either - the
> mind often reeds what the eyes except to see - I know this form long
> assocaition with proof-reading even before it became my trade...

Oh rubbish! When it is pointed out that something is wrong, people can
spot things easily. When it is not pointed out though...

Sickle of the Valar

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 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

On Thu, 05 May 2005 19:50:54 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
<spamgard.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Michele Fry <michele.DeleteThis@sassoonery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <FNtee.25875$G8.7815@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>> Deagol
>>>> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
>>>> www.tolkienbooks.net
>>>
>>> Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?
>>
>> But you didn't actualy point out that the second "B" in biBliography
>> was missing... ! And since Deagol hadnt noticed it is the first
>> place, there's no guarantee he'd have noticed it now either - the
>> mind often reeds what the eyes except to see - I know this form long
>> assocaition with proof-reading even before it became my trade...
>
>Oh rubbish! When it is pointed out that something is wrong, people can
>spot things easily. When it is not pointed out though...

Anyway, it was a request to point out the mistake, so you couldn't
point it out until he replied, or there'd be no point in asking!

R. Dan Henry
danhenry.DeleteThis@inreach.com
 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

R. Dan Henry <danhenry DeleteThis @inreach.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 May 2005 19:50:54 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
> <spamgard DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Michele Fry <michele DeleteThis @sassoonery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <FNtee.25875$G8.7815@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>>> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>>> Deagol
>>>>> An Illustrated Tolkien Biliography
>>>>> www.tolkienbooks.net
>>>>
>>>> Can I politely point out a spelling mistake in your sig?
>>>
>>> But you didn't actualy point out that the second "B" in biBliography
>>> was missing... ! And since Deagol hadnt noticed it is the first
>>> place, there's no guarantee he'd have noticed it now either - the
>>> mind often reeds what the eyes except to see - I know this form long
>>> assocaition with proof-reading even before it became my trade...
>>
>> Oh rubbish! When it is pointed out that something is wrong, people
>> can spot things easily. When it is not pointed out though...
>
> Anyway, it was a request to point out the mistake, so you couldn't
> point it out until he replied, or there'd be no point in asking!

I think that proves my point.
About people not spotting things.



Christopher

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 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

In article <yOuee.25966$G8.22775@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>Oh rubbish! When it is pointed out that something is wrong, people can
>spot things easily. When it is not pointed out though...

It is *not* rubbish ! I know whereof I speak. On dozens of occasions
I've pointed out to people that there's a typo in their text and watched
them trying to find it - because their eyes and brains have read what
they expected to see - and then had to point it out to them...

Michele
==
Without [literature], for me, the world would be, indeed, a howling
desert.
- Henry James
==
Now reading: J M Barrie and the Lost Boys - Andrew Birkin
 >> Stay informed about: ? about Fonstad's "Atlas of Middle-earth" 

On Fri, 6 May 2005 05:53:56 +0100, Michele Fry
<michele.RemoveThis@sassoonery.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <yOuee.25966$G8.22775@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>>Oh rubbish! When it is pointed out that something is wrong, people can
>>spot things easily. When it is not pointed out though...
>
>It is *not* rubbish ! I know whereof I speak. On dozens of occasions
>I've pointed out to people that there's a typo in their text and watched
>them trying to find it - because their eyes and brains have read what
>they expected to see - and then had to point it out to them...

Can you proofread your own stuff? I mean, I do catch errors checking
my own work, but to really see it as it is, it needs to sit for a few
months untouched.

R. Dan Henry
danhenry.RemoveThis@inreach.com
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