X-Force?

On 19 Dec 2004 01:01:04 GMT, fjga.TakeThisOut@aol.com (FJGA) wrote:

 >Was the new series cancelled?

It's now been announced to be a 6 issue miniseries, I believe. Marvel
does this a lot lately, release a title as an ongoing, and then
"cancel" it when it does poorly by retroactively declaring it a
miniseries.

If no one else has coined the term, I'd like to dub this practice a
retcan.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Jeremy Henderson" <hellpop.RemoveThis@BABYJESUSHATESSPAMTAMPABAY.RR.COM> wrote in
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 > On 19 Dec 2004 01:01:04 GMT, fjga.RemoveThis@aol.com (FJGA) wrote:
 >
  >>Was the new series cancelled?
 >
 > It's now been announced to be a 6 issue miniseries, I believe. Marvel
 > does this a lot lately, release a title as an ongoing, and then
 > "cancel" it when it does poorly by retroactively declaring it a
 > miniseries.

I'd only ever heard that it was a miniseries, and that it _maybe_ could
be extended. Given Liefeld's record for completing minis, I can see why
Marvel wouldn't make it an ongoing. I've also heard rumblings of another
mini next year, but this may be the spinoff (Shatterstar? not sure) in
recent solicits.

 > If no one else has coined the term, I'd like to dub this practice a
 > retcan.

I'll accept that. It's now part of my vocabulary.

Scott<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: X-Force? 

Yep, it is a miniserie.
And later in the year 2005 a limited serie of Shatterstar will be published.

Rayeye
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Yep. It's always been a "six to eight issue" mini.

 >From March:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://newsarama.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=10747" target="_blank">http://newsarama.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=10747</a>

And the Shatterstar mini was first mentioned in passing in June:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://newsarama.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=14824" target="_blank">http://newsarama.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=14824</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In message <20041218200104.12009.00001983.DeleteThis@mb-m16.aol.com>, FJGA
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 >Was the new series cancelled?

Marvel have now decided that it's a six issue miniseries, to be
immediately followed by a Shatterstar miniseries. This looks
suspiciously like another early cancellation, but then again, sales
haven't been horrendous.

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 > In message <20041218200104.12009.00001983.TakeThisOut@mb-m16.aol.com>, FJGA
 > <fjga.TakeThisOut@aol.com> writes
  > >Was the new series cancelled?
 >
 > Marvel have now decided that it's a six issue miniseries, to be
 > immediately followed by a Shatterstar miniseries. This looks
 > suspiciously like another early cancellation, but then again, sales
 > haven't been horrendous.

Interviews with Liefeld always suggested that this series was planned as a
mini. I'd say that Marvel were wary of his track record with abandoning
titles, and didn't want to trust him with an ongoing.

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:20:34 -0500, "Scott McAllister"
<mishap RemoveThis @stopspam.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 >
 >"Jeremy Henderson" <hellpop RemoveThis @BABYJESUSHATESSPAMTAMPABAY.RR.COM> wrote in
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  >> On 19 Dec 2004 01:01:04 GMT, fjga RemoveThis @aol.com (FJGA) wrote:
  >>
   >>>Was the new series cancelled?
  >>
  >> It's now been announced to be a 6 issue miniseries, I believe. Marvel
  >> does this a lot lately, release a title as an ongoing, and then
  >> "cancel" it when it does poorly by retroactively declaring it a
  >> miniseries.
 >
 > I'd only ever heard that it was a miniseries, and that it _maybe_ could
 >be extended. Given Liefeld's record for completing minis, I can see why
 >Marvel wouldn't make it an ongoing. I've also heard rumblings of another
 >mini next year, but this may be the spinoff (Shatterstar? not sure) in
 >recent solicits.

Actually, you're correct, it was always solicited as a mini.

  >> If no one else has coined the term, I'd like to dub this practice a
  >> retcan.
 >
 > I'll accept that. It's now part of my vocabulary.

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fjga DeleteThis @aol.com (FJGA) wrote in
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 > Was the new series cancelled?

One can only hope. Or, even better, they shitcan Liefeld and put a
decent writer/artist in place. No offense to Fabian, but I saw
absolutely *nothing* of his work in those two issues I wasted my money
on.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Jeremy Henderson <hellpop.TakeThisOut@BABYJESUSHATESSPAMTAMPABAY.RR.COM> wrote in
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 > On 19 Dec 2004 01:01:04 GMT, fjga.TakeThisOut@aol.com (FJGA) wrote:
 >
  >>Was the new series cancelled?
 >
 > It's now been announced to be a 6 issue miniseries, I believe. Marvel
 > does this a lot lately, release a title as an ongoing, and then
 > "cancel" it when it does poorly by retroactively declaring it a
 > miniseries.

It was originally intended to be a mini. Later, they dropped that idea
and apparently made in an ongoing. Now it's make to mini series
status.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Rayeye" <r.p.graner.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in
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 > Yep, it is a miniserie.
 > And later in the year 2005 a limited serie of Shatterstar will be
 > published.

Which is really sad. I happen to like Shatterstar, but Liefeld makes
him unreadable.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >Subject: Re: X-Force?
 >From: Dan McEwen dannyboymcny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com
 >Date: 12/19/2004 8:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
 >Message-id: <32mnspF3o7tmbU8.RemoveThis@individual.net>
 >
 >fjga@aol.com (FJGA) wrote in
 >news:20041218200104.12009.00001983@mb-m16.aol.com:
 >
  >> Was the new series cancelled?
 >
 >One can only hope. Or, even better, they shitcan Liefeld and put a
 >decent writer/artist in place. No offense to Fabian, but I saw
 >absolutely *nothing* of his work in those two issues I wasted my money
 >on.

In defense of Fab, I belive he is only scripting X-Force, with Liefeld
providing the plots. There is only so much a writer can do, you can't turn
$hit to gold.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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twain1202 DeleteThis @aol.com (Twain1202) wrote in
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  >>From: Dan McEwen dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com

  >>fjga@aol.com (FJGA) wrote in
  >>news:20041218200104.12009.00001983@mb-m16.aol.com:
  >>
   >>> Was the new series cancelled?
  >>
  >>One can only hope. Or, even better, they shitcan Liefeld and put a
  >>decent writer/artist in place. No offense to Fabian, but I saw
  >>absolutely *nothing* of his work in those two issues I wasted my money
  >>on.
 >
 > In defense of Fab, I belive he is only scripting X-Force, with Liefeld
 > providing the plots. There is only so much a writer can do, you can't
 > turn $hit to gold.

I'm not disagreeing, but I read the first two issues of X-Force and
failed to see even a hint of Nicieza in it. If I were him, I'd ask to
have my name removed from the credits.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 24 Dec 2004 04:35:31 GMT, Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >twain1202@aol.com (Twain1202) wrote in
 >news:20041221084815.08355.00002261@mb-m04.aol.com:

   >>>From: Dan McEwen dannyboymcny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com

   >>>fjga@aol.com (FJGA) wrote in
   >>>news:20041218200104.12009.00001983@mb-m16.aol.com:

   >>>> Was the new series cancelled?

   >>>One can only hope. Or, even better, they shitcan Liefeld and put a
   >>>decent writer/artist in place. No offense to Fabian, but I saw
   >>>absolutely *nothing* of his work in those two issues I wasted my money
   >>>on.

  >> In defense of Fab, I belive he is only scripting X-Force, with Liefeld
  >> providing the plots. There is only so much a writer can do, you can't
  >> turn $hit to gold.

 >I'm not disagreeing, but I read the first two issues of X-Force and
 >failed to see even a hint of Nicieza in it. If I were him, I'd ask to
 >have my name removed from the credits.

You do remember that Liefeld left pretty quickly on and Nicieza's work
on X-Force was golden after that, don't you?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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