Foundation movies?

Steve Turner wrote:
> Found this on another newsgroup:
>
> Foundation Moves Ahead
>
> Jeff Vintar, who recently wrote the big-screen adaptation of Isaac
> Asimov's I, Robot, has been brought on to complete the script for
> another Asimov work, Foundation, according to a report on the
> Cinescape Web site. An inside source told the site that the epic SF
> trilogy will most likely be split into two films, tentatively
> entitled Foundation and Second Foundation.
>
> It's unclear whether the script will be a rewrite of an earlier draft
> by John Rogers (The Core) or a wholly original adaptation. Vintar
> will begin writing the two Foundation scripts after he completes his
> current project, a film based on the Vertigo comic Y: The Last Man,
> for Blade: Trinity writer and director David Goyer.
>
> Steve

Any news on possible release dates?

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> "Steve Turner" <ilkeston RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >Found this on another newsgroup:
> >
> >Foundation Moves Ahead
> >
> >Jeff Vintar, who recently wrote the big-screen adaptation of Isaac
Asimov's
> >I, Robot,
>
> Since the "big-screen adaptation of Isaac Asimov's I, Robot" bears
no
> resemblance to the "I, Robot" collection of some of Asimov's robot
> stories,
>
> >has been brought on to complete the script for another Asimov
> >work, Foundation, according to a report on the Cinescape Web site.
An inside
> >source told the site that the epic SF trilogy will most likely be
split into
> >two films, tentatively entitled Foundation and Second Foundation.
>
> why should we expect said Jeff Vintar to do any better with
> this/these?

I would not expect him to do any justice for the Foundation series.
IA uses the science and technology as the emphasis of his stories.
Hollywood will use these attributes as a backdrop for some kind of
"love triangle" or "explosion laden" bull or some other nonsense.

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So,

How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
easy task.
Foundation, like most Asimov writing is very non-visual, consisting
mainly of dialogue.
On top of that, you'd face trouble adapting the series of quite short
stories, growing via half-book-sized stories to full brick stone
novels to one or more two hour movies.

Perhaps one movie from the encyclopedists to the mule and
another mostly from the second foundation's point of view?

Ideas?
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blah0nga.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (blahonga) wrote in message news:<5b1f0f60.0310130239.7a17e3cc.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> So,
>
> How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
> easy task.
> Foundation, like most Asimov writing is very non-visual, consisting
> mainly of dialogue.
> On top of that, you'd face trouble adapting the series of quite short
> stories, growing via half-book-sized stories to full brick stone
> novels to one or more two hour movies.
>
> Perhaps one movie from the encyclopedists to the mule and
> another mostly from the second foundation's point of view?
>
> Ideas?


I guess it will more like "star wars" type of movie, with the part
where mule if fighting to take over the first and second foundation.
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blah0nga.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (blahonga) wrote:

>How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
>easy task.
>Foundation, like most Asimov writing is very non-visual, consisting
>mainly of dialogue.
>On top of that, you'd face trouble adapting the series of quite short
>stories, growing via half-book-sized stories to full brick stone
>novels to one or more two hour movies.
>
>Perhaps one movie from the encyclopedists to the mule and
>another mostly from the second foundation's point of view?
>
>Ideas?

None, really. Based on 50+ years of movie-going and nearly that of
TV-watching. The market for movies today is mainly with the tween to
25 demographic - they're the avid movie-goers nowadays. TV is a
little better, their target is the 18 - 34 demographic [some allow to
- 49]. I can't honestly imagine any rendition of any of the
Foundation series, or short pieces of it [as the original trilogy was
a collection of] that could be honestly translated into a
"blockbuster" summer release without totally compromising the work it
was based on. Even the blockbuster TV-movies that would be comparable
to even a shortened Foundation "Saga", a la "Winds of War/"War and
Remembrance", doesn't seem in the cards today. Even "Dune" and "Dune
Redux" had problems, and they were chock-full of the action, intrigue,
and hunks and hunkettes that today's demographics demand. All the
Foundation can offer are Hari Seldon, Salvor Hardin, and a bunch of
other old guys sitting around talking. Okay, Beyta and Arkady Darryl
[sp? - didn't check the books], and in the latter Foundation works we
have Daneel Olivaw et al [but still Hari Seldon, albeit a tad younger
but still hard to translate, honestly, into a hunk].

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see a well done "Foundation Saga".
But I don't, honestly, think it's in the cards. Either playing or
Tarot.
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blahonga <blah0nga DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
> easy task.

As a mini-series for the small screen. With only two (or so) hours to
work with in a feature film, they just wouldn't be able to get enough of
the Foundation story across. They might be able to do it during the 6+
hours that a mini-series would provide, but it would still be difficult...

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> blahonga <blah0nga DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> > How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
> > easy task.
>
> As a mini-series for the small screen. With only two (or so) hours
to
> work with in a feature film, they just wouldn't be able to get
enough of
> the Foundation story across. They might be able to do it during the
6+
> hours that a mini-series would provide, but it would still be
difficult...

It would have to be in HDTV.

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Larry Alpert wrote:

> "Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:roibovo5mi26qpts38tmp4sja9ju1h5grg@4ax.com...
> > "Steve Turner" <ilkeston.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Found this on another newsgroup:
> > >
> > >Foundation Moves Ahead
> > >
> > >Jeff Vintar, who recently wrote the big-screen adaptation of Isaac
> Asimov's
> > >I, Robot,
> >
> > Since the "big-screen adaptation of Isaac Asimov's I, Robot" bears
> no
> > resemblance to the "I, Robot" collection of some of Asimov's robot
> > stories,
> >
> > >has been brought on to complete the script for another Asimov
> > >work, Foundation, according to a report on the Cinescape Web site.
> An inside
> > >source told the site that the epic SF trilogy will most likely be
> split into
> > >two films, tentatively entitled Foundation and Second Foundation.
> >
> > why should we expect said Jeff Vintar to do any better with
> > this/these?
>
> I would not expect him to do any justice for the Foundation series.
> IA uses the science and technology as the emphasis of his stories.
> Hollywood will use these attributes as a backdrop for some kind of
> "love triangle" or "explosion laden" bull or some other nonsense.

Might we have Second Foundationeers using the Force and light sabers
against enemies of the Seldon Plan? Will the Mule turn out to be a Sith
Lord?

Or maybe the First Foundationeers will have the light sabers (powdered by
nuclear batteries).
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Larry Alpert wrote:

> "Andrew McCaffrey" <SPAMTAGamccaf1.RemoveThis@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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> > blahonga <blah0nga.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
> > > easy task.
> >
> > As a mini-series for the small screen. With only two (or so) hours
> to
> > work with in a feature film, they just wouldn't be able to get
> enough of
> > the Foundation story across. They might be able to do it during the
> 6+
> > hours that a mini-series would provide, but it would still be
> difficult...
>
> It would have to be in HDTV.

Why?
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Andrew McCaffrey wrote:--

> On the $87 billion request from President Bush:
> "[...]$900 million to import petroleum products such as kerosene and
> diesel to a country with the world's second-largest oil reserves[...]"
> -- The Washington Post, September 26th 2003

That's because Iraqi insurgents keep damaging Iraq's oil infrastructure!
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Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> Larry Alpert wrote:
>
>
>>"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:roibovo5mi26qpts38tmp4sja9ju1h5grg@4ax.com...
>>
>>>"Steve Turner" <ilkeston RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Found this on another newsgroup:
>>>>
>>>>Foundation Moves Ahead
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Vintar, who recently wrote the big-screen adaptation of Isaac
>>
>>Asimov's
>>
>>>>I, Robot,
>>>
>>>Since the "big-screen adaptation of Isaac Asimov's I, Robot" bears
>>
>>no
>>
>>>resemblance to the "I, Robot" collection of some of Asimov's robot
>>>stories,
>>>
>>>
>>>>has been brought on to complete the script for another Asimov
>>>>work, Foundation, according to a report on the Cinescape Web site.
>>
>>An inside
>>
>>>>source told the site that the epic SF trilogy will most likely be
>>
>>split into
>>
>>>>two films, tentatively entitled Foundation and Second Foundation.
>>>
>>>why should we expect said Jeff Vintar to do any better with
>>>this/these?
>>
>>I would not expect him to do any justice for the Foundation series.
>>IA uses the science and technology as the emphasis of his stories.
>>Hollywood will use these attributes as a backdrop for some kind of
>>"love triangle" or "explosion laden" bull or some other nonsense.
>
>
> Might we have Second Foundationeers using the Force and light sabers
> against enemies of the Seldon Plan? Will the Mule turn out to be a Sith
> Lord?
>
> Or maybe the First Foundationeers will have the light sabers (powdered by
> nuclear batteries).
>

We'll have the original inhabitants of Trantor (before the galactic
overlords came) as a suppressed minority in slums of plastic packing
crates rising up against the foundation. And with all that urban
development, there are opportunities for lots of car chases. Maybe even
chases between flying cars!

Another movie I won't be seeing.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> Larry Alpert wrote:
>
>> "Andrew McCaffrey" <SPAMTAGamccaf1.TakeThisOut@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
>> news:bmm8o0$42d$1@news.umbc.edu...
>>> blahonga <blah0nga.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How *would* you adapt foundation to the screen? It is certainly no
>>>> easy task.
>>>
>>> As a mini-series for the small screen. With only two (or so) hours
>>> to work with in a feature film, they just wouldn't be able to get
>>> enough of the Foundation story across. They might be able to do it
>>> during the 6+ hours that a mini-series would provide, but it would
>>> still be difficult...
>>
>> It would have to be in HDTV.
>
> Why?

Just so I can watch in on my 73" DLP in 1080p.
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