Friends of the X-Men

"Lots42 The Library Avenger" <lots42.TakeThisOut@aol.comaol.com> wrote in message
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 > Way back when, when the Fantastic Four and the X-men beat up Ahab The
Worst
 > Villian Ever, they made sure to tell each other they were friends now. So
why
 > not have Reed show up in Westchester? I want more well-written
acknolegedment
 > that the X-Men live in the Marvel Universe.

Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU population
hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that other heroes (on
little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating them. Or why Scarlet
Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in Avengers when they are mutants
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Brian Doyle wrote:
  >> Way back when, when the Fantastic Four and the X-men beat up Ahab The
  >> Worst Villian Ever, they made sure to tell each other they were friends now.
  >> So why not have Reed show up in Westchester? I want more well-written
  >> acknolegedment that the X-Men live in the Marvel Universe.
 >
 > Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU population
 > hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that other heroes (on
 > little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating them. Or why Scarlet
 > Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in Avengers when they are mutants
 > too.

True... but that's just a really good reason to drop the whole "hating mutants"
thing. Personally, I've been sick of it for 25 years.
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blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in message news:<20040706185115.19433.00000891 RemoveThis @mb-m17.aol.com>...
 > Brian Doyle wrote:
   > >> Way back when, when the Fantastic Four and the X-men beat up Ahab The
   > >> Worst Villian Ever, they made sure to tell each other they were friends now.
   > >> So why not have Reed show up in Westchester? I want more well-written
   > >> acknolegedment that the X-Men live in the Marvel Universe.
  > >
  > > Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU population
  > > hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that other heroes (on
  > > little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating them. Or why Scarlet
  > > Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in Avengers when they are mutants
  > > too.
 >
 > True... but that's just a really good reason to drop the whole "hating mutants"
 > thing. Personally, I've been sick of it for 25 years.


Bigotry is too big a theme to ever just be dropped because it has been
used for 25 years.
Perhaps 25 years after it ceases to be a real world issue?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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lots42.RemoveThis@aol.comaol.com (Lots42 The Library Avenger) wrote in
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 > Way back when, when the Fantastic Four and the X-men beat up Ahab The
 > Worst Villian Ever, they made sure to tell each other they were
 > friends now. So why not have Reed show up in Westchester? I want more
 > well-written acknolegedment that the X-Men live in the Marvel
 > Universe.

Show up and do what? Maybe if writers had a particular reason to make
characters meet one another, sure, but having them appear just to meet
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"Brian Doyle" <No_spam.TakeThisOut@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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 > Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU
 > population hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that
 > other heroes (on little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and
 > adulating them. Or why Scarlet Witch, Justice and Firestar are
 > acceptable in Avengers when they are mutants too.

Well, Wanda and Vision's house was burned down - despite them being
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"Brian Doyle" <No_spam.TakeThisOut@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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 >
 > Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU population
 > hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that other heroes (on
 > little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating them. Or why Scarlet
 > Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in Avengers when they are mutants
 > too.
 >
Actually, it matches normal human insanity - the children of immigrants hating
the new immigrants, racists with black friends, etc.

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"Donnacha DeLong" <donnacha RemoveThis @NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in message
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 > "Brian Doyle" <No_spam RemoveThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
 > news:ccf9c5$pli$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
  > >
  > > Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU
population
  > > hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that other heroes (on
  > > little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating them. Or why
Scarlet
  > > Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in Avengers when they are
mutants
  > > too.
  > >
 > Actually, it matches normal human insanity - the children of immigrants
hating
 > the new immigrants, racists with black friends, etc.
 >
To add to that, it's even more pronounced when celebrity is involved - how
many racists think Halle Berry's attractive? Or Beyonce? A considerable
amount, because they're celebrities, not n****rs.

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JinX wrote:
   >>>> Way back when, when the Fantastic Four and the X-men beat up Ahab The
   >>>> Worst Villian Ever, they made sure to tell each other they were friends
   >>>> now. So why not have Reed show up in Westchester? I want more
   >>>> well-written acknolegedment that the X-Men live in the Marvel Universe.
   >>>
   >>> Because to do so would emphasise yet again the insanity of the MU
   >>> population hating mutants as a matter of course, but accepting that
   >>> other heroes (on little evidence) are "simply" metahumans and adulating
   >>> them. Or why Scarlet Witch, Justice and Firestar are acceptable in
   >>> Avengers when they are mutants too.
  >>
  >> True... but that's just a really good reason to drop the whole "hating
  >> mutants" thing. Personally, I've been sick of it for 25 years.
 >
 > Bigotry is too big a theme to ever just be dropped because it has been
 > used for 25 years.
 > Perhaps 25 years after it ceases to be a real world issue?

Perhaps my opinion would be different if the "hating mutants" thing had ever
been handled well. It hasn't. It's much, much too pandemic to be believed.
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"The Black Guardian" <blakgard.TakeThisOut@aol.coma.org> wrote in message
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 > Perhaps my opinion would be different if the "hating mutants" thing had
ever
 > been handled well. It hasn't. It's much, much too pandemic to be believed.

I liked Morrison's turning that on it's head, about bloody time, and giving
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"Donnacha DeLong" <donnacha.DeleteThis@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in message
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 > To add to that, it's even more pronounced when celebrity is involved - how
 > many racists think Halle Berry's attractive? Or Beyonce? A considerable
 > amount, because they're celebrities, not n****rs.

Even back in Trek days, Nichelle Nichols records that the only letter she
saw about the infamous" inter-racial kiss" was from a guy who said,
essentially "I believe in segregation of the races, but under the
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   > >>
   > >> True... but that's just a really good reason to drop the whole "hating
   > >> mutants" thing. Personally, I've been sick of it for 25 years.
  > >
  > > Bigotry is too big a theme to ever just be dropped because it has been
  > > used for 25 years.
  > > Perhaps 25 years after it ceases to be a real world issue?
 >
 > Perhaps my opinion would be different if the "hating mutants" thing had ever
 > been handled well. It hasn't. It's much, much too pandemic to be believed.

What besides the inconsistentcy of mutants being singled out from
other superhumans, which is mostly a byproduct of having a shared
universe of characters coexisting, would you change in order to have
it be handled well?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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JinX wrote:
   >>>> True... but that's just a really good reason to drop the whole "hating
   >>>> mutants" thing. Personally, I've been sick of it for 25 years.
   >>>
   >>> Bigotry is too big a theme to ever just be dropped because it has been
   >>> used for 25 years.
   >>> Perhaps 25 years after it ceases to be a real world issue?
  >>
  >> Perhaps my opinion would be different if the "hating mutants" thing had
  >> ever been handled well. It hasn't. It's much, much too pandemic to be
believed.
 >
 > What besides the inconsistentcy of mutants being singled out from
 > other superhumans, which is mostly a byproduct of having a shared
 > universe of characters coexisting, would you change in order to have
 > it be handled well?

More stories showing the other side -- people that love them or are indifferent
to them.
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"The Black Guardian" <blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org> wrote in message
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 > More stories showing the other side -- people that love them or are
indifferent
 > to them.

Well, in all the Claremont years we did see that one pro-mutant rally.... in
X-Men 200.... in France... for almost two panels....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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